A CIVILIZATION on MARS? 1B/200M Years Ago? (Pt. 4)

[najab]

The thread that just keeps giving, keeps going again...<br /><br />Continue discussion here.

 

[telfrow]

Colin:<br /><br />The Squashed Chicken, adjusted. I didn't touch the perspective in this one. More like it? <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <strong><font color="#3366ff">Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild.</font> - <font color="#3366ff"><em>Tennyson</em></font></strong> </div>

 

[telfrow]

BTW...right side up or upside down, we're still going to need anchor points. <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <strong><font color="#3366ff">Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild.</font> - <font color="#3366ff"><em>Tennyson</em></font></strong> </div>

 

[bobw]

I agree, it will make things even more confusing.<br /><br />Here's a context image from google maps for the face of George I found in Utah and diagrammed in the last thread. It looks like a face to me. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[telfrow]

If you mean the seaming of the two images, I made the comment when I posted it that I felt it was a little off, but close. It is, by no means, perfect – but it you look at the joining of the features on the two halves, they are pretty close. Is that what you’re talking about? <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <strong><font color="#3366ff">Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild.</font> - <font color="#3366ff"><em>Tennyson</em></font></strong> </div>

 

[najab]

I'll try, but there's no guarantee it will work right...

 

[najab]

Nope, didn't work. Only your post moved .

 

[telfrow]

I'll try it again. I've got nothing else to do today. <img src="/images/icons/frown.gif" /><br /><br />If not, it'll be a day or two...I'm scheduled for a medical procedure tomorrow, and I'm not sure what kind of shape I'll be in Thursday. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <strong><font color="#3366ff">Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild.</font> - <font color="#3366ff"><em>Tennyson</em></font></strong> </div>

 

[bobw]

Comparing your images to RCH's lays waste to their argument that NASA is dumbing down data. You have some very clear stuff. Good job and thanks. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[maxtheknife]

Really? Why wasn't this image released to the press do you suppose? Why won't Telfrow use it? Oh,,,, that's right, only use data that MIGHT fit the natural hypothesis. <br /><br />ANYTHING but artificial, right?<br /><br />BTW, Bob.... thanx for the extra 'superimposition of a face on something' image..... I don't think we got the point yet.... <img src="/images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /><br /><br />This is gettin' old....

 

[bobw]

<font color="yellow">I don't think we got the point yet....</font><br /><br />It seems that way to me too. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[najab]

Once again, Max - what is the number of that image? And, on another matter, where are those anchor points?

 

[telfrow]

<font color="yellow">Why won't Telfrow use it? Oh,,,, that's right, only use data that MIGHT fit the natural hypothesis.</font><br /><br />This was predictable. The “charge”: I won't use "your" photograph. <br /><br />Right. <br /><br />Here’s where we left it this morning:<br /><br />Max: <font color="yellow">Isee,,,, so we can't use all the available data to do the work? Good scientific methodology...</font><br /><br />Telfrow: <font color="yellow">You're right. We'll use the best available data. Here's two thirds of the most recent most image (thanks to Zen's link to Laney's site). Let's start there. With the pyramid itself, not the "platform."</font><br /><br />We then went on to discuss “margin of error” and Meso-American structures. You made no complaint – and no further comment - about my <b>suggestion</b> we use the “Squashed Chicken” photo. Until now, that is, when you post this marginally hysterical diatribe charging I’d refused to use anything <b>but</b> that photo. <br /><br />Max, I don’t care if you participate in the “experiment” or not. But I’ll tell you this …if you and/or Zen refuse to provide <b>precise</b> anchor points for the “pentagon” on the pyramid, you forfeit, in MHO, all right to complain about the results. <br /><br />And just why are you whining about having to use the best available data, Max? I'd think you'd be happy to use it...it came from Laney's site. Why do you want to use that photo instead?<br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <strong><font color="#3366ff">Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild.</font> - <font color="#3366ff"><em>Tennyson</em></font></strong> </div>

 

[JonClarke]

Great face bob! But it looks more like a bear to me.<br /><br />Jon <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em>Whether we become a multi-planet species with unlimited horizons, or are forever confined to Earth will be decided in the twenty-first century amid the vast plains, rugged canyons and lofty mountains of Mars</em>  Arthur Clarke</p> </div>

 

[telfrow]

Colin:<br /><br />I've tried a couple of times to seam that photo again, and it still comes up a little off in certain sections. Without knowing how to compensate for the angle of the original photographs, I'm afraid it's beyond me. I'm still going to try, but right now, it's off by a bit. For that reason, if we're going to assign anchor points and do measurements, we should use the other photo (maybe the perspective corrected one in the side by side posted at 2:55 in part Three).<br /><br />Does anyone know if there is a “seamed” version of this done by anyone else floating around?<br /><br /><i>Edit:</i> I think it can still be used as a "reference."<br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <strong><font color="#3366ff">Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild.</font> - <font color="#3366ff"><em>Tennyson</em></font></strong> </div>

 

[JonClarke]

H1 True<br />H2 True (except there is no evidence for a global ocean, at best a hemispheric one)<br />H3 False - if anything Mars has a higher impact rate because it is closer to the main asteriod belt.<br />H4a (magetic field) False. The field probably did degenerate early (the recent Nature paper did not present evidence against this). <br />Hb (atmosphere) We don't know. A relatively dense atmosphere may have persisted into the hesperian, or we have have seen periodic development of the atmosphere<br />H5 Why would this be the case?<br />H6 The early hydrogen atmosphere is still contentious and may not be relevant anyway.<br /><br />I will deal with 4a, the linch pin as you say, when I have re-read the Nature paper.<br /><br />Jon <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em>Whether we become a multi-planet species with unlimited horizons, or are forever confined to Earth will be decided in the twenty-first century amid the vast plains, rugged canyons and lofty mountains of Mars</em>  Arthur Clarke</p> </div>

 

[JonClarke]

Colin<br /><br />H5 is pure supposition, and I can't think of any reason why it would be case.<br /><br />I can't see why H6, even if true would preferentially effect putative evolutionary rates on Mars because both planets would have H2 in the atmosphere.<br /><br />Jon <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em>Whether we become a multi-planet species with unlimited horizons, or are forever confined to Earth will be decided in the twenty-first century amid the vast plains, rugged canyons and lofty mountains of Mars</em>  Arthur Clarke</p> </div>

 

[telfrow]

Sorry to interupt an actual discussion about the original topic of the thread <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" />, but I managed to get a good working version of the MOC seam (parts 1 & 2) put together. Colin, let me know if this is better and I'll post an "upside down" version later. <br /><br />BTW: It's the best I can do... <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <strong><font color="#3366ff">Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild.</font> - <font color="#3366ff"><em>Tennyson</em></font></strong> </div>

 

[telfrow]

<font color="yellow">Comparing your images to RCH's lays waste to their argument that NASA is dumbing down data. You have some very clear stuff. Good job and thanks.</font><br /><br />Thanks. Somehow, I don't think everyone will be as enthusiastic about the results....<img src="/images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <strong><font color="#3366ff">Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild.</font> - <font color="#3366ff"><em>Tennyson</em></font></strong> </div>

 

[JonClarke]

Nice image telfrow. Isn't it interesting how natural this feature looks when you see it at good resolution? Which is probably while the Cydonia clan avoid addressing it.<br /><br />All the best with your proceedure.<br /><br />Jon <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em>Whether we become a multi-planet species with unlimited horizons, or are forever confined to Earth will be decided in the twenty-first century amid the vast plains, rugged canyons and lofty mountains of Mars</em>  Arthur Clarke</p> </div>

 

[telfrow]

Thanks Jon. I appreciate it.<br /><br />It's nothing major. Because of my age, and a history of colon cancer in the family, every few years I have to go in and have them do a...<img src="/images/icons/crazy.gif" /><br /><br />Never mind...<img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <strong><font color="#3366ff">Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild.</font> - <font color="#3366ff"><em>Tennyson</em></font></strong> </div>

 

[maxtheknife]

Use all the photos if you like...... .... I don't care. Just do SOMETHING already <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /><br /><br />It's your experiment YOU pick the anchor points. See what happens...... that's science. <br /><br />Ps.... I'm NOT the one whining.... "Please start the work for me, Max.... I don't know how!"<br /><br />Sound about right?

 

[najab]

><i>It's your experiment YOU pick the anchor points. See what happens...... that's science.</i><p>No, that's not science. You have proposed a hypothesis, we want to test it. So you have to tell us your method (provide the anchor points) so that we can try to duplicate your results. If you don't show us your method, we'll have to assume that your results are nothing but wild conjecture.<p><b>That</b> is science.</p></p>

 

[zenonmars]

Hi, tel.....<font color="yellow">" I won't use "your" photograph"</font><br /><br />Well <b>I</b> will. I will use <i>ANY</i> D&M pic, as long as it is viewed "upside down", it seems to work fine: <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[najab]

Your image doesn't show the rightmost anchor point ('E'?). The yellow line doesn't pass through the top anchor point ('A'?). <br /><br />Edit: The rightmost yellow line bears no relationship with the ridgeline.