A radio photon can be miles long. Isn't that a bit of a stretch for a 'quantum particle' ?

[Marvas]

A radio photon can be miles long. Isn't that a bit of a stretch for a 'quantum particle' ?​

How is a mile long radio photon a quantum particle, given that quantum physics describe how the universe works at incredibly small scales ? I mean this radio particle is way way bigger than an anaconda, or make that 100 anacondas. Its a real monster, and should star in Godzilla. As Photonzilla. Not in science.

This is what Einstein's particle-wave duality leads to. To an enormity of astronomical proportions. But he got the Nobel prize for this enormity, so he must be right. Cause we all know that when you win something you are right. Even when you contradict yourself like a complete idiot. And you really cant argue with that golden statue. That is absolute proof that Photonzilla exists, and that Einstein's contradiction I mean theory of light is correct.

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[Classical Motion]

Don't blame Einstein, blame Maxwell. And don't blame him, cause you....and I would have thought the same thing. When one sees a sine go into an antenna, and a sine come out of another, one would conclude a sine past between them.

Theories are not propped up lies, even when it seems so.

Einstein's photon is not to be a complete description of light. It was called a force carrier and a photon is the atomic nature of light. Energy reacting with particles. Only frequency is relevant, not amplitude. It's not the "FLUX" of light. It's a particle concept. And I understand why he needed it. CAUSE LIGHT IS INTERMITTENT, NOT A WAVE. It's digital.

Our present theories are not known lies. It's what we have at the present time. I don't think there are any force carriers. Just two particles and their fields.

Many people have different ideas about how all this stuff fits together. Many use math as a proof. Or the statistics of math as a proof. And with spongy space and time, math can do anything.

You know what they say about institutions.......someone has to die to get a change in thinking.

 

[billslugg]

Wave particle duality came from Dirac, not Einstein. Einstein didn't get his Nobel Prize for wave particle duality, nor relativity, he got it for the photoelectric effect.

Wave particle duality says the wavelength and the energy are inversely related. There can be a high energy gamma ray photon smaller than an atomic nucleus. There can also be a very low energy radio wave photon that is the size of the universe.

 

[Questioner]

Is the wave the superposition probability wave and the photon the observed/decohered outcome of it?

 

[billslugg]

The "wave" is the superposition of all the probabilities of the location of the photon. The "photon" is comprised of a certain packet of energy at a certain probabilistic location. The exact location determined and the exact energy determined when it is decohered. The product of their uncertainties being some minimum value per Heisenberg. The energy must then go to some other form.

 

[Classical Motion]

A particle photon only has certain set energies. A atomic dipole photon have certain energies. An atomic nucleus can have many photon energies. Molecules can have bandwidths of photons. Natural and man made larger structures can manufacture photons of bandwidths and singular frequency photons........AND vary the intensities. One photon, a million watts.

The photon is only the incident part of the propagation. The propagation is an expanding shell at c. Digital sequential concentric expanding shells. The diameter expansion velocity is 2 times c.

We detect and measure the incident vector. The shell depth. The shell passage. Mass and our detectors respond to this digital pinging with a vibrating frequency. Mass rings.

Mass frequency is delayed, sloppy and an indirect way to measure light or any EM emission.

When we learn to measure with duty cycle, we will increase our accuracy by a 1000 fold at minimum.

The greatest star tool ever.

 

[Questioner]

Are phase oscillations only realized at decoherence?
Would that mean time passage related to that photon was ambiguous until decoherence?

 

[Atlan0001]

What is the depth of each of the 2-dimensional canvases of light's 1-dimensional time-frames striking the JWST? To the point center, or center-points, of the Flatland 2-d canvas pictorials in running series of perfectly flat 2-d canvas pictorials, what is the depth of each canvas frame? Each page flip?

I would say no deeper than spontaneous concurrent REALTIME instant (t=0) . . . and/or the eternal collapsed cosmological constant of the P/BB Horizon (t=0) (T=1).

 

[Marvas]

Wave particle duality came from Dirac, not Einstein. Einstein didn't get his Nobel Prize for wave particle duality, nor relativity, he got it for the photoelectric effect.

The photon particle-wave is Einstein's explanation for the photoelectric effect. Dirac was 18 years old when Einstein came up with it.

''This discovery is so important—and Nobel Prize worthy—because Einstein suggested for the first time that light is both a wave and a particle. This phenomenon, known as the wave-particle duality of light, is fundamental to all of quantum mechanics and has influenced the development of electron microscopes and solar cells.''

Einstein's Legacy: The Photoelectric Effect

Despite the popularity of Einstein's theories of relativity and his musings on black holes, Einstein's Nobel Prize in physics was actually awarded for his discovery of the photoelectric effect. This discovery revolutionized our understanding of the world around us. But what is the photoelectric...

www.scientificamerican.com

Wave particle duality says the wavelength and the energy are inversely related. There can be a high energy gamma ray photon smaller than an atomic nucleus. There can also be a very low energy radio wave photon that is the size of the universe.

A particle the size of the universe, and you dont see any problem with that ! What more there is to say ? Some people are just insane, and there's no point arguing with them.

 

[billslugg]

I am in complete agreement there is no point in arguing with idiots.

 

[billslugg]

For me to answer you would be in violation of our agreement.

 

[Marvas]

You just did.

And I just disproved Einstein again, because he was just another idiot who contradicted others like an idiot. A mad fool, not a mad genius.

 

[Classical Motion]

Both a wave and a particle.

A duty cycle has both wave(frequency) and particle(discrete) characteristics.

Without space time. It's a square flight. And the motion shift is asymmetric.

Sorta like an expansion rate.

 

[Atlan0001]

Both a wave and a particle.

A duty cycle has both wave(frequency) and particle(discrete) characteristics.

Without space time. It's a square flight. And the motion shift is asymmetric.

Sorta like an expansion rate.

A particle is a wave because you cannot possibly fix it to position or to velocity. A wave is a particle when you approximate a position and/or velocity for it.

And then there is the "standing" (or "stationary") wave at the innumerable crossroads of volume multi- or omni-directional multiplicity. Hawking "Grand Central Station of the Universe" is one such standing/stationary wave . . . the superposition 'set' apex or ultimate one.

 

[Classical Motion]

I think a particle has an absolute position and a very set velocity. We just can't measure it yet. We can't even measure the RPM of it. And what makes it even harder to measure is, that it wobbles, and it wobbles much quicker than it rotates. The wobble F is much higher than the RPM.

And another problem is that the circumference of the rotation is NOT a pi circumference. Not a pi rotation length wise, only angle wise. And without knowing that wobble rate, math will be hard to use ....to describe terms like velocity and rest momentum.

Electrons are firmly placed IN the nucleus, not orbiting it. They have a tight fit.

 

[Atlan0001]

I think a particle has an absolute position and a very set velocity. We just can't measure it yet. We can't even measure the RPM of it. And what makes it even harder to measure is, that it wobbles, and it wobbles much quicker than it rotates. The wobble F is much higher than the RPM.

And another problem is that the circumference of the rotation is NOT a pi circumference. Not a pi rotation length wise, only angle wise. And without knowing that wobble rate, math will be hard to use ....to describe terms like velocity and rest momentum.

Electrons are firmly placed IN the nucleus, not orbiting it. They have a tight fit.

Ahem:

Standing wave - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Too, looks like matter mass, in the classical sense, The other to it is a wormhole portal space:

Force field (physics) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

and:

Wormhole - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Marvas]

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[Atlan0001]

Wave particle duality came from Dirac, not Einstein. Einstein didn't get his Nobel Prize for wave particle duality, nor relativity, he got it for the photoelectric effect.

Wave particle duality says the wavelength and the energy are inversely related. There can be a high energy gamma ray photon smaller than an atomic nucleus. There can also be a very low energy radio wave photon that is the size of the universe.

As Stephen Hawking said, "baby universes." Chaos Theory 'zoom' (to the infinitesimal point) "Lilliputian universes" that can and do fit inside photons the size of "'observable' universes."

Strip them of the local-relative finite and you will find that infinitesimal equals infinite . . . and vice-versa.

 

[Marvas]

So if Stephen King 'said', that makes his 'lilliputan universes' true ? Or it just makes him a mad fool, who is just making insane claims which cannot ever be proven ? That is, infalsifiable pseudo-scientific theories which do not respect the basic standards of science, aka the scientific method which requires all scientific theories to be falsifiable ? Otherwise they are pure sci-fi theories.

 

[Marvas]

So no one here sees anything wrong with a quantum particle being the size of the entire universe ??? WTF is wrong with you people. You are completelly out of your minds. And no quoting other insane people doesn't make this quantum insanity right.

Quantum mechanics is a fundamental theory in physics that describes the behavior of nature at and below the scale of atoms.

So anything that is above the scale of atoms, is not quantum physics. So Einsteins photonzilla is in contradiction with the very definition of quantum mechanics, which only applies at atomic and sub atomic scales. It does not apply at gargantuan astronomical scales.

If you dont see the contradiction, then I dont know what to tell ya. Other than Einstein's prediction has turned to be true. Human stupidity really is infinite, as Einstein himself has proved it. And as his fanboys continue to prove it. They just keep proving Einstein right.

 

[Atlan0001]

So if Stephen King 'said', that makes his 'lilliputan universes' true ? Or it just makes him a mad fool, who is just making insane claims which cannot ever be proven ? That is, infalsifiable pseudo-scientific theories which do not respect the basic standards of science, aka the scientific method which requires all scientific theories to be falsifiable ? Otherwise they are pure sci-fi theories.

Our macrocosmic "observable universe" is a microcosmic [point-particle-portal-singularity] in infinities of microcosmic points. Infinities exist which is why physicists keep having to cancel them to zero for results in discreet "quantum" and "quanta" finite potentials of infinities.

 

[Atlan0001]

On track, on target (though I still disagree, as usual now, as to how "gravity" is involved):

A model outlining the microscopic origin of black hole entropy

Black holes are intriguing astronomical objects that have a gravitational pull so strong that it prevents any object and even light from escaping. While black holes have been the topic of numerous astrophysical studies, their origins and underlying physics remain largely a mystery.

phys.org

And regarding photons . . . down scale and upscale:

Study of photons in quantum computing reveals that when photons collide, they create vortices

Vortices are a common physical phenomenon. You find them in the structure of galaxies, tornadoes and hurricanes, as well as in a cup of tea, or water as it drains from the bathtub.

phys.org

 

[Questioner]

Not a physicist,
But my guess is the superposition probability wave is a mile or bigger, but the actual decohered (measured/measurable) photon is a borderline dimensionless point.

Whether a decohered photon can recohere, re-superposition I'm not sure, but it seems inevitable that that must occasionally happen.

 

[Atlan0001]

As Shrek once said, "An onion has layers!" So does a "tesseract." and a "hologram" pattern of interferences; An "observable universe" or "Mandelbrot set" of fractal zooms universe structure (there is nothing so deep, at once so flat, so flatly 3-d deep 2-dimensional canvas of emergent SPACE universe, as a 'Mandelbrot Set'):

Mandelbrot set - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

('Through the Looking Glass')

And the entangled, entangling, concurrent REALTIME (t=0) instant NOW (always the beginning -- the endless beginning -- of time).

 

[Marvas]

'I go in deeper underground, there's too much photon in this town.
Photon is bigger than my town, and makes Godzilla look like clown.'

Photonzilla OST (Jamiroquai remix)

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