Americans are not on Mars, never went to the moon too

[bigbrain]

I have already written these things in the forum "Mars Exploration Rover - Spirit - Update Thread - Pt. 2".<br />Someone wrote I was off-topic, then I open this new thread.<br /><br />My first post was:<br />I think you never went to Mars. <br />Why do you never went to Mars? <br />Because after one kilometer you can no longer see the probe going to Mars. You have no telescope that can see it in its travel of 500 million kilometers in the darkness of universe. Hubble can't see like human eyes, it "sees" only lights coming from distant places of universe. <br />You can't see Mars, you can't see your probe, but magically your probe lands on Mars attracted by its perfume of carbon dioxide. <br />Have you found any software that can drive your probe to a target 500 million kilometers distant? <br /><br />TheChemist wrote:<br />Well, you don't need a bigbrain to figure that out <br />Welcome to the boards... <br /><br />I wrote:<br />If you go here: http://uplink.space.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=sciastro&Number=137121&page=1&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=0&fpart=34&vc=1 <br />What are you seeing? <br />A wavy sea brown-red painted by Photoshop.<br /><br />Leovinus wrote:<br />Suppose we did go to Mars and did take color pictures and did transmit them to Earth. How would you forsee those pictures differing from the pictures you linked to? <br /><br />I wrote:<br />You are right. It's difficult, very difficult to see the difference: perhaps we are seeing sand dunes. <br /><br />TheChemist wrote: <br />"If you 're interested in a flyby of the Columbia Hills, here is your chance : <br />http://marsrover.nasa.gov/gallery/video/spirit01.html <br />Extremely cool"<br /><br />I wrote:<br />About that video Nasa say: <br />"The U.S.

 

[yevaud]

Oh this tired old topic again.<br /><br />Question for you: how many people work for NASA or the various Aerospace companies, academic, and research institutions involved with Apollo? 250,000? More.<br /><br />Right. It's a gigantic conspiracy, and over a quarter of a million people have kept their mouth's shut for over 30 years.<br /><br /><img src="/images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em>Differential Diagnosis:  </em>"<strong><em>I am both amused and annoyed that you think I should be less stubborn than you are</em></strong>."<br /> </p> </div>

 

[luciusverus]

Really..........???<br /><br />WOW......!!<br /><br /><br /><img src="/images/icons/laugh.gif" />

 

[yevaud]

It must be those bomb-collars they're all forced to wear.<br /><br />"Spill the beans, Doctor, and *BOOM*" <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em>Differential Diagnosis:  </em>"<strong><em>I am both amused and annoyed that you think I should be less stubborn than you are</em></strong>."<br /> </p> </div>

 

[huey_pilot]

I want a list of all your sources of information that you got for the lunar lander. <br /><br />Yeah and you forgot how the Wright brothers powered flight was a conspiracy because they didn't have the technology to do that in 1903. Riiiiight.

 

[telfrow]

As for how we "found" Mars, start with this:<br /><br />http://ccar.colorado.edu/asen5050/projects/projects_2002/barker/<br /><br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <strong><font color="#3366ff">Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild.</font> - <font color="#3366ff"><em>Tennyson</em></font></strong> </div>

 

[bigbrain]

I think only about a hundred of people knew the truth.

 

[yevaud]

And how is that possible? It isn't. An old friend of my brother's, guy name of Perry Sylvester, was a Program Manager at Nasa for many years, and he had many a thing to say about these conspiracies...virtually none of which the obscenity filter will pass. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em>Differential Diagnosis:  </em>"<strong><em>I am both amused and annoyed that you think I should be less stubborn than you are</em></strong>."<br /> </p> </div>

 

[telfrow]

How to get to Mars, Part 2:<br /><br />http://www.stanford.edu/~klynn/mars_paper.htm <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <strong><font color="#3366ff">Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild.</font> - <font color="#3366ff"><em>Tennyson</em></font></strong> </div>

 

[luciusverus]

huey<br /><br />Re: <b>I want a list of all your sources of information that you got for the lunar lander. </b><br /><br />Was that quote directed to me..........??

 

[bigbrain]

Those mathematic calculations are useless because you can not see your probe and Mars, so you can not drive it towards that planet.

 

[telfrow]

Right....<img src="/images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /><br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <strong><font color="#3366ff">Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild.</font> - <font color="#3366ff"><em>Tennyson</em></font></strong> </div>

 

[yevaud]

<font color="yellow">Why do you never went to Mars? <br />Because after one kilometer you can no longer see the probe going to Mars. You have no telescope that can see it in its travel of 500 million kilometers in the darkness of universe. Hubble can't see like human eyes, it "sees" only lights coming from distant places of universe. <br />You can't see Mars, you can't see your probe, but magically your probe lands on Mars attracted by its perfume of carbon dioxide. <br />Have you found any software that can drive your probe to a target 500 million kilometers distant?</font><br /><br />I can go a mile down the street, and use a smaller telescope...one who's optical characteristics aren't designed for deep-sky objects. And so, I most certainly *can* image something en route to Mars.<br /><br />And with software and hardware that can model a hurricane or Magnetohydrodynamical behavior, why is this a surprise?<br /><br /><font color="yellow">About that video Nasa say: <br />"The U.S. Geological Survey created the three-dimensional digital terrain model using images from the Mars Orbital Camera on the Mars Global Surveyor satellite". <br />There is a mistake, this text is correct: <br />"The U.S. Geological Survey created the three-dimensional digital terrain model using images made with 3D softwares like Softimage, Maya, 3D Studio Max. <br />This is due to the fact that our probe going to Mars lost itsself in the darkness of universe. Our binoculars have no longer seen it".</font><br /><br />No, the first quote is correct. If the second was done, it was post-processing for color designation, contrast enhancement, etc.<br /><br />And what's your evidence that our probe is "lost?"<br /><br /><font color="yellow">1/6th gravity is a science assertion, but we have never measured it. <br /><br />However this is not important, because 1/2 1/3 1/6th does not change the problem. Lunar module is enormously unstable because it has rocket engine on the bottom. It does not matter</font> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em>Differential Diagnosis:  </em>"<strong><em>I am both amused and annoyed that you think I should be less stubborn than you are</em></strong>."<br /> </p> </div>

 

[bigbrain]

What is "Magnetohydrodynamical behavior"? Science fiction?<br /><br />You wrote:<br />"I guess those missiles I launched or watched were all optical illusions... "<br /><br />No, you saw well because those missiles went forward not backwards.<br />

 

[yevaud]

Magnetohydrodynamics: the study of highly energetic plasmas, usually associated with "hot" fusion, but also including stellar physics, Inertial Confinement, and various other esoteric physical sciences.<br /><br />I see. You realize it's precisely the same thing, yes? Up, down, the instability is the same. Only the vector has changed.<br /><br />And if - in answer to a prior point you made - we can't see anything relatively close in with optics, how did I view Hale-Bopp back in August of 1995? Magic? <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em>Differential Diagnosis:  </em>"<strong><em>I am both amused and annoyed that you think I should be less stubborn than you are</em></strong>."<br /> </p> </div>

 

[a_lost_packet_]

bigbrain-<br /><br />Thank you for moving your discussion to a more appropriate forum.<br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <font size="1">I put on my robe and wizard hat...</font> </div>

 

[silylene old]

-bigbrain-<br /><br />Thanls for bringing this topic to this forum. I do think you will find a much better discussion here. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature" align="center"><em><font color="#0000ff">- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -</font></em> </div><div class="Discussion_UserSignature" align="center"><font color="#0000ff"><em>I really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function.</em></font> </div> </div>

 

[kmarinas86]

el ludicrouso

 

[petepan]

a_lost_packet_ said...<font color="yellow">bigbrain- <br /><br />Thank you for moving your discussion to a more appropriate forum. </font><br /><br />But Packet, isn't this the Phenomena forum, not the BS forum....<br />

 

[huey_pilot]

luciusVerus, that was directed at the maker of this thread "bigbrain" sorry for the confusion.

 

[bigbrain]

You wrote:<br />"I see. You realize it's precisely the same thing, yes? Up, down, the instability is the same. Only the vector has changed". <br /><br />No, it is completely different. <br />When a missile goes forward, it behaves as a projectile.<br />It goes forward as a firework.<br /><br />If you try to keep it vertical making it to go backwards, using its rocket engine as a brake, you will see it is impossible.<br /><br />You wrote:<br />"And if - in answer to a prior point you made - we can't see anything relatively close in with optics, how did I view Hale-Bopp back in August of 1995? Magic?"<br /><br />Nothing magic: they can see some comets close to us even with naked eye. <br /><br /><br />

 

[telfrow]

<font color="yellow">If you try to keep it vertical making it to go backwards, using its rocket engine as a brake, you will see it is impossible. </font><br /><br />See:<br /><br />http://www.clavius.org/techlmstab.html <br /><br />and<br /><br />http://www.clavius.org/techlltv.html <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <strong><font color="#3366ff">Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild.</font> - <font color="#3366ff"><em>Tennyson</em></font></strong> </div>

 

[yevaud]

Thanks, Telfrow. Exactly what I didn't have the time to hunt down.<br /><br />BB: I'll match your experience - whatever it is - with 6 years of practical missilery experience from the military, and further work on satellite's.<br /><br />And no, you specifically stated that we can't see anything with any of the optics we have. And you also specifically mentioned Hubble - which is *not* designed to image nearby objects.<br /><br />And when I viewed Hale-Bopp, it wasn't naked eye, and didn't yet even have it's distinctive tail. Now if I could see that, I could certainly do the same with a mere artificial object travelling on a well-known trajectory. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em>Differential Diagnosis:  </em>"<strong><em>I am both amused and annoyed that you think I should be less stubborn than you are</em></strong>."<br /> </p> </div>

 

[bigbrain]

In those sites I have read:<br />"The conspiracist's assertion that an astronaut shifting his weight in the cockpit would throw the vehicle off balance is entirely unfounded. In fact, if an astronaut took a step to one side and altered the LM's center of mass, the computer would be making the necessary corrections even before the astronaut had finished taking the step". <br /><br />Right, but there is only a very little problem:<br />in 1969 computers had memory of 32k and were so big that they could not stay in the lunar module.<br />But there is another very little problem:<br />There were not digital or analogic systems to "tell" computer the vertical attitude. <br /><br />For those reasons Nasa could never test lunar module on the earth and astronauts would have trained with this ridiculous old crock:<br />http://grin.hq.nasa.gov/IMAGES/SMALL/GPN-2000-000215.jpg <br /><br />In your opinion, if you can fly that one, then you can fly this?:<br />http://grin.hq.nasa.gov/IMAGES/SMALL/GPN-2000-001144.jpg<br /><br />Incredible, in fact I do not believe.

 

[alokmohan]

Serious that Americans never went to moon?