Apollo 8 Earthrise photo What part of the earth do we see?

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redfive

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Hi all,<br /><br />In the famous color Apollo 8 Earthrise photo, does anyone know what part of the earth we are looking at? <br /><br /><br />TIA,<br /><br />
 
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billslugg

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Kyle,<br />You are showing AS08-13-2329 which is the first Earthrise picture. It was unauthorized and was in B&W. It has never been determined who took it. The full story is here. The other two Earthrise photos AS08-14-2383 and 2384 were in color and are the famous ones that were all over the newspapers. <br /><br />In all cases, the sunset terminator cuts Africa north to south. The Western Sahara can be seen jutting into the Atlantic. The South Polar ice cap is to the left (or bottom depending on how the picture is oriented). North and South America are obscured by clouds. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p> </p><p> </p> </div>
 
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bearack

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It appears to me to be of the pacific more than anything. I attached my theory. <br /><br />Oooh, I don't know how to attach here. Any help in attaching a .jpg? <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><br /><img id="06322a8d-f18d-4ab1-8ea7-150275a4cb53" src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/6/14/06322a8d-f18d-4ab1-8ea7-150275a4cb53.Large.jpg" alt="blog post photo" /></p> </div>
 
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billslugg

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billslugg

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Bearack<br />The photos were taken at 075:48 into the Apollo 8 mission.<br />That is 3 days 3h:48m into the mission.<br />Liftoff was at 07:51 AM EST 12-21-68.<br />The photos were therefore taken on 12-24-07 at 7:51 AM EST plus 3h:48m.<br />This would be 11:39 AM 12-24-68<br />Given the geometry of the orbit, on an Earth rise as pictured, North is going to be up.<br />That would put the sunset terminator over Africa not out in the Pacific.<br /><br />Plus: The western edge of North Africa is clearly visible, Morocco, Spanish Sahara, etc.<br />What do you think it is? <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p> </p><p> </p> </div>
 
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bearack

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Well, to the bottom right of earth, it looks similar to the Chilalian coast while the open area (no cloud coverage) looks like the Pacific ocean with the California coast to the right of the open area. The only thing is, there appears to be a continent to the lower left I could not explain, but, that also just maybe be cloud anomalies. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><br /><img id="06322a8d-f18d-4ab1-8ea7-150275a4cb53" src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/6/14/06322a8d-f18d-4ab1-8ea7-150275a4cb53.Large.jpg" alt="blog post photo" /></p> </div>
 
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bearack

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Ah, you posted before I posted my response. Thanks for the information. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><br /><img id="06322a8d-f18d-4ab1-8ea7-150275a4cb53" src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/6/14/06322a8d-f18d-4ab1-8ea7-150275a4cb53.Large.jpg" alt="blog post photo" /></p> </div>
 
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billslugg

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I see what you are seeing.<br />What you see as California is actually Morocco and Spanish West Sahara.<br />What you see as Chile is actually Namibia and Angola. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p> </p><p> </p> </div>
 
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billslugg

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I'm sorry, I posted my response to your response before you could post your response to my response.<br />I hate it when that happens! <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p> </p><p> </p> </div>
 
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qso1

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Bearack: <br />The photos were taken at 075:48 into the Apollo 8 mission.<br /><br />Me:<br />You could actually simulate this in Starry Night by plugging in the date, time and positioning over the moon at the approximate point Apollo 8 was orbiting. I might try it when I get back home if I remember to. <br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><strong>My borrowed quote for the time being:</strong></p><p><em>There are three kinds of people in life. Those who make it happen, those who watch it happen...and those who do not know what happened.</em></p> </div>
 
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adrenalynn

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Good point. If someone wanted to put the work into it, they could use the "spaceship" function of StarryNight and reproduce the whole darned mission in realtime, or accelerated time. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p>.</p><p><font size="3">bipartisan</font>  (<span style="color:blue" class="pointer"><span class="pron"><font face="Lucida Sans Unicode" size="2">bī-pär'tĭ-zən, -sən</font></span></span>) [Adj.]  Maintaining the ability to blame republications when your stimulus plan proves to be a devastating failure.</p><p><strong><font color="#ff0000"><font color="#ff0000">IMPE</font><font color="#c0c0c0">ACH</font> <font color="#0000ff"><font color="#c0c0c0">O</font>BAMA</font>!</font></strong></p> </div>
 
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qso1

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I need to upgrade, I don't think my version (3.0) has the spaceship function. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><strong>My borrowed quote for the time being:</strong></p><p><em>There are three kinds of people in life. Those who make it happen, those who watch it happen...and those who do not know what happened.</em></p> </div>
 
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adrenalynn

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It might be a Pro feature. I think I have an older (v5?) Backyard version I could check. I know it's in 6.x of Pro Plus. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p>.</p><p><font size="3">bipartisan</font>  (<span style="color:blue" class="pointer"><span class="pron"><font face="Lucida Sans Unicode" size="2">bī-pär'tĭ-zən, -sən</font></span></span>) [Adj.]  Maintaining the ability to blame republications when your stimulus plan proves to be a devastating failure.</p><p><strong><font color="#ff0000"><font color="#ff0000">IMPE</font><font color="#c0c0c0">ACH</font> <font color="#0000ff"><font color="#c0c0c0">O</font>BAMA</font>!</font></strong></p> </div>
 
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qso1

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I recall that feature being advertised for later versions but I also have a triassic...or is it jurrasic PC...good PC still but just not able to run newer versions of much of anything. Thats partly because I still have Windows 98.<br /><br />I plotted the Apollo 11 trajectory as best I could by looking at the moon at key points in the mission. The same could be done for Apollo 8 and another neat thing is seeing what the moons phase was from earth at launch etc. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><strong>My borrowed quote for the time being:</strong></p><p><em>There are three kinds of people in life. Those who make it happen, those who watch it happen...and those who do not know what happened.</em></p> </div>
 
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That does sound fun.<br /><br />I wrote a really advanced orbit simulator for a personal project I'm working on. I could probably try pluggin in the data and see if I can generate a movie. I'd have to pull a node offline, so it's probably a project for another day... <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p>.</p><p><font size="3">bipartisan</font>  (<span style="color:blue" class="pointer"><span class="pron"><font face="Lucida Sans Unicode" size="2">bī-pär'tĭ-zən, -sən</font></span></span>) [Adj.]  Maintaining the ability to blame republications when your stimulus plan proves to be a devastating failure.</p><p><strong><font color="#ff0000"><font color="#ff0000">IMPE</font><font color="#c0c0c0">ACH</font> <font color="#0000ff"><font color="#c0c0c0">O</font>BAMA</font>!</font></strong></p> </div>
 
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qso1

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It is fun and I also did it for research into graphic novels I write and illustrate. I did the moon phase thing to show where the moon actually was and what phase it was in for the launch of Apollo 11. I also put a little dot at the lunar landing site. I had a lot of other plans along similar lines for other space missions that are on hold till I see where the first set of books is going to go. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><strong>My borrowed quote for the time being:</strong></p><p><em>There are three kinds of people in life. Those who make it happen, those who watch it happen...and those who do not know what happened.</em></p> </div>
 
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bdewoody

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Would Celestia be accurate enough to do the same thing? <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <em><font size="2">Bob DeWoody</font></em> </div>
 
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3488

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How's this?<br /><br />Earth from Moon on: Tuesday 24th December 1968 @ 11:49 EST / 16:49 GMT.<br /><br />Also here a wider context of Earth from the Moon @ exactly the same time as above.<br /><br />Andrew Brown. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080">"I suddenly noticed an anomaly to the left of Io, just off the rim of that world. It was extremely large with respect to the overall size of Io and crescent shaped. It seemed unbelievable that something that big had not been visible before".</font> <em><strong><font color="#000000">Linda Morabito </font></strong><font color="#800000">on discovering that the Jupiter moon Io was volcanically active. Friday 9th March 1979.</font></em></p><p><font size="1" color="#000080">http://www.launchphotography.com/</font><br /><br /><font size="1" color="#000080">http://anthmartian.googlepages.com/thisislandearth</font></p><p><font size="1" color="#000080">http://web.me.com/meridianijournal</font></p> </div>
 
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qso1

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It should be but you may find it tricky getting the right positioning. I'm finishing up my Starry Night version which I'll try and post by midnight. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><strong>My borrowed quote for the time being:</strong></p><p><em>There are three kinds of people in life. Those who make it happen, those who watch it happen...and those who do not know what happened.</em></p> </div>
 
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qso1

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Image 1 is my first attempt at the Earthrise Apollo 8 image as seen from Starry Night. Of course two things struck me. The Earth was pointed towards the moon and the moon was dark. I knew the view had to be the opposite side.<br /><br />I fumbled around but couldn't get it so I went to the link and got the coordinates for the approximate location of Apollo 8. Earthrise 2 resulted and Earthrise 3 is the same but with the moon surface locator where the red circle indicates the approximate position of Apollo 8.<br /><br />I positioned 2 meters above the moon. Apollo 8 would have been around 100 Km above the moon but the view would be about the same.<br /><br />http://ebrowserbook.com/Sdc/Earthrise1.jpg<br /><br />http://ebrowserbook.com/Sdc/Earthrise2.jpg <br /><br />http://ebrowserbook.com/Sdc/Earthrise3.jpg<br /><br />http://ebrowserbook.com/Sdc/A8simpgeo.jpg <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><strong>My borrowed quote for the time being:</strong></p><p><em>There are three kinds of people in life. Those who make it happen, those who watch it happen...and those who do not know what happened.</em></p> </div>
 
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3488

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Yes qso1's links do not appear to work now.<br /><br />I did look yesterday & they confirmed my Redshift rederings a few posts back.<br /><br />Mine are still working, but qso1's are not.<br /><br />Is qso1 aware?<br /><br />Andrew Brown. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080">"I suddenly noticed an anomaly to the left of Io, just off the rim of that world. It was extremely large with respect to the overall size of Io and crescent shaped. It seemed unbelievable that something that big had not been visible before".</font> <em><strong><font color="#000000">Linda Morabito </font></strong><font color="#800000">on discovering that the Jupiter moon Io was volcanically active. Friday 9th March 1979.</font></em></p><p><font size="1" color="#000080">http://www.launchphotography.com/</font><br /><br /><font size="1" color="#000080">http://anthmartian.googlepages.com/thisislandearth</font></p><p><font size="1" color="#000080">http://web.me.com/meridianijournal</font></p> </div>
 
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qso1

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I just became aware, thanks 3488. I gotta see what happened there. They were working yesterday. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><strong>My borrowed quote for the time being:</strong></p><p><em>There are three kinds of people in life. Those who make it happen, those who watch it happen...and those who do not know what happened.</em></p> </div>
 
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qso1

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I reinstalled the pics, they were missing for some reason. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><strong>My borrowed quote for the time being:</strong></p><p><em>There are three kinds of people in life. Those who make it happen, those who watch it happen...and those who do not know what happened.</em></p> </div>
 
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