Ares I Tiger Team update....

[docm]

<h3 class="title">How can you have a tiger team without members and without filing a report?</h3><h3 class="title">http://nasawatch.com/</h3><h3 class="title">Ares 1 Tiger Team Update</h3><p><img src="http://images.spaceref.com/news/clv.first.stage.jpg" alt="" align="right" /><img src="http://images.spaceref.com/astro/arrow.gif" border="0" alt="" /> <strong>Editor's note:</strong> Word has it at MSFC that Ares manager Steve Cook is trying to get a new job (and get out of his current one). Meanwhile, remember the "Tiger Team" that was assembled to examine Ares 1 vibration issues? Well, sources report that this Tiger Team has been quietly disbanded and its activities have been rolled up into overall project activities. As such, there is no Tiger Team report due for release in March - because there is no Tiger Team to issue it. Stay tuned.</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[Testing]

Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>How can you have a tiger team without members and without filing a report?http://nasawatch.com/Ares 1 Tiger Team Update Editor's note: Word has it at MSFC that Ares manager Steve Cook is trying to get a new job (and get out of his current one). Meanwhile, remember the "Tiger Team" that was assembled to examine Ares 1 vibration issues? Well, sources report that this Tiger Team has been quietly disbanded and its activities have been rolled up into overall project activities. As such, there is no Tiger Team report due for release in March - because there is no Tiger Team to issue it. Stay tuned. <br />Posted by docm</DIV><br /><br />Care to delete 5 or 6 of these messages? Might be appropriate. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[kyle_baron]

<p>So, what conclusions can we draw from this?&nbsp; People are frustrated with the problem and giving up?&nbsp; Someone had a hissy-fit with someone else?&nbsp; This sounds serious.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>How can you have a tiger team without members and without filing a report?http://nasawatch.com/Ares 1 Tiger Team Update Editor's note: Word has it at MSFC that Ares manager Steve Cook is trying to get a new job (and get out of his current one). Meanwhile, remember the "Tiger Team" that was assembled to examine Ares 1 vibration issues? Well, sources report that this Tiger Team has been quietly disbanded and its activities have been rolled up into overall project activities. As such, there is no Tiger Team report due for release in March - because there is no Tiger Team to issue it. Stay tuned. <br />Posted by docm</DIV><br /></p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font size="4"><strong></strong></font></p> </div>

 

[tomnackid]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>How can you have a tiger team without members and without filing a report?http://nasawatch.com/Ares 1 Tiger Team Update Editor's note: Word has it at MSFC that Ares manager Steve Cook is trying to get a new job (and get out of his current one). Meanwhile, remember the "Tiger Team" that was assembled to examine Ares 1 vibration issues? Well, sources report that this Tiger Team has been quietly disbanded and its activities have been rolled up into overall project activities. As such, there is no Tiger Team report due for release in March - because there is no Tiger Team to issue it. Stay tuned. <br /> Posted by docm</DIV></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Funny how no one has commented on how this whole "news story" turned out to be false. Here is the most recent info. from NASAWatch.com:</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>"According to ESMD PAO (who contacted me) the "Tiger Team" is still in place. There seems to be some internal differences as to what this group is called - thus my sources' (and my) confusion. That said, ESMD says that there will be a congressional hearing on 3 April where some preliminary information may be released but that the Tiger Team report will not be made in March as was originally stated by ESMD earlier this year. Also, according to ESMD PAO Steve Cook's official statement is that he is "in it for the duration" and that he is not seeking to leave his current job. All I can say is that the unofficial information I get on a daily basis points to the contrary. ESMD PAO offered no comment on the charts that I posted."</p><p>--NASAWatch.com&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Once again we see how relying on rumor and uncomfimed "unamed, inside sources"&nbsp; can lead to hysterical claims about the end of Ares I.<br /> </p><p>&nbsp;</p>

 

[Cygnus_X_1]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>&nbsp;&nbsp;Funny how no one has commented on how this whole "news story" turned out to be false.&nbsp;&nbsp; Once again we see how relying on rumor and uncomfimed "unamed, inside sources"&nbsp; can lead to hysterical claims about the end of Ares I. &nbsp; <br /> Posted by tomnackid</DIV></p><p>&nbsp;It wasn't false.&nbsp; There are major issues that the "tiger team" can't solve. &nbsp; Every "false" rumour has been true. </p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[PistolPete]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>&nbsp;&nbsp;Funny how no one has commented on how this whole "news story" turned out to be false.</DIV></p><p>I hadn't been following the story, so I didn't know it was false.&nbsp;</p><p>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Once again we see how relying on rumor and uncomfimed "unamed, inside sources"&nbsp; can lead to hysterical claims about the end of Ares I. &nbsp; <br /> Posted by tomnackid</DIV></p><p>That's why I don't mozy on over to NASAWatch that often.&nbsp; It's little more than a rumor mill.&nbsp; Even Aviation Leak has the journalistic integrity to verify their unnamed sources.&nbsp;</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p> </p><p><em>So, again we are defeated. This victory belongs to the farmers, not us.</em></p><p><strong>-Kambei Shimada from the movie Seven Samurai</strong></p> </div>

 

[publiusr]

<p>Keith Cowing has it in for Ares launch development--being an EELV apologist who doesn't understand black zones, disposal issues, how EELVs are no good at flying depressed trajectory, etc.</p><p>Ares V will be a Blue state rocket that helps Louisiana's jobs, EELVs are Red State rockets.</p><p>&nbsp;Something to consider.</p><p>&nbsp;</p>

 

[Cygnus_X_1]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Keith Cowing has it in for Ares launch development--being an EELV apologist who doesn't understand black zones, disposal issues, how EELVs are no good at flying depressed trajectory, etc.Ares V will be a Blue state rocket that helps Louisiana's jobs, EELVs are Red State rockets.&nbsp;Something to consider.&nbsp; <br /> Posted by publiusr</DIV></p><p>Publiusr has it in for EELV's and continues with the smear campaign of lies. &nbsp; "black zones, disposal issues, how EELVs are no good at flying depressed trajectory" don't exist</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[PistolPete]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Keith Cowing has it in for Ares launch development--being an EELV apologist who doesn't understand black zones, disposal issues, how EELVs are no good at flying depressed trajectory, etc.Ares V will be a Blue state rocket that helps Louisiana's jobs, EELVs are Red State rockets.&nbsp;Something to consider.&nbsp; <br /> Posted by publiusr</DIV></p><p>No bucks, no Buck Rodgers, I guess.&nbsp;</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p> </p><p><em>So, again we are defeated. This victory belongs to the farmers, not us.</em></p><p><strong>-Kambei Shimada from the movie Seven Samurai</strong></p> </div>

 

[Swampcat]

"Ares V will be a Blue state rocket that helps Louisiana's jobs, EELVs are Red State rockets." <p>"Something to consider." -- publiusr</p><p>Wow, now <strong><em>there's</em></strong> a good reason to support Ares V development <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/12/15/0c4fe671-949b-420c-8f6c-809a53e74111.Medium.gif" alt="" />&nbsp;.<br /></p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <font size="3" color="#ff9900"><p><font size="1" color="#993300"><strong><em>------------------------------------------------------------------- </em></strong></font></p><p><font size="1" color="#993300"><strong><em>"I hold it that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing, and as necessary in the political world as storms in the physical. Unsuccessful rebellions, indeed, generally establish the encroachments on the rights of the people which have produced them. An observation of this truth should render honest republican governors so mild in their punishment of rebellions as not to discourage them too much. It is a medicine necessary for the sound health of government."</em></strong></font></p><p><font size="1" color="#993300"><strong>Thomas Jefferson</strong></font></p></font> </div>

 

[radarredux]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Keith Cowing has it in for Ares launch development--being an EELV apologist who doesn't understand black zones, disposal issues, how EELVs are no good at flying depressed trajectory, etc.</DIV></p><p>I think Keith is a reasonably knowledgeable guy with some good information sources, but he does come across as an angry guy with an ax to grind.</p>

 

[ThereIWas2]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Ares V will be a Blue state rocket that helps Louisiana's jobs, EELVs are Red State rockets.&nbsp;Something to consider.&nbsp; <br /> Posted by publiusr</DIV></p><p>&nbsp;Utah is a blue state?? </p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><span class="postbody"><span style="font-style:italic"><br /></span></span></p> </div>

 

[tomnackid]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>&nbsp;Utah is a blue state?? Posted by ThereIWas2</DIV><br /></p><p>Regardless of which party wins the next presedential election we can only hope that one happy outcome will be the end of Karl Rove and his devisive, self-serving "culture war". If nominating McCain wasn't a slap in the face to the current Republican regime then I don't know what is! </p>

 

[lampblack]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>&nbsp;Utah is a blue state?? <br /> Posted by ThereIWas2</DIV></p><p>I believe the poster was alluding to the external tank -- which is manufactured in Lousiana. But you still make a very good point.&nbsp; <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/content/scripts/tinymce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-wink.gif" border="0" alt="Wink" title="Wink" /></p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <font color="#0000ff"><strong>Just tell the truth and let the chips fall...</strong></font> </div>

 

[job1207]

<p><font><font><font face="arial" size="2"><font face="arial">The leading solution is to put weight on springs in parts of the bottom end of the rocket and underneath astronauts' seats to dampen the vibrations. Think MacPherson struts, said Garry Lyles, who heads a NASA team working on the problem.</font></font></font></font></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Oh gee whiz, the above is a quote from an article in today's space dot com. More weight. Let's go liquid guys. Afterall, the Rocket has not been built yet. &nbsp;</p>

 

[kyle_baron]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>The leading solution is to put weight on springs in parts of the bottom end of the rocket and underneath astronauts' seats to dampen the vibrations. Think MacPherson struts, said Garry Lyles, who heads a NASA team working on the problem.&nbsp;Oh gee whiz, the above is a quote from an article in today's space dot com. More weight.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <br />Posted by job1207</DIV></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>I agree.&nbsp; More weight, complexity, cost, etc.&nbsp; They should just put inflatable air matresses in the seats.&nbsp; MacPherson Struts will transfer more vibration to the outer hull of the spacecraft, where the instrumentation is.<br /></p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font size="4"><strong></strong></font></p> </div>

 

[kyle_baron]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Let's go liquid guys. Afterall, the Rocket has not been built yet. &nbsp; <br />Posted by job1207</DIV></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>You might as well get used to the Ares. They're not going to change it, no matter how many problems arise.&nbsp; The main reason, is to keep as many of the existing jobs as possible.&nbsp; Besides, I've heard on another space blog from someone who knows someone working on the prototype, that it's moving along quicker than planned, for the maiden flight in 2009.<br /></p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font size="4"><strong></strong></font></p> </div>

 

[Cygnus_X_1]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>&nbsp;You might as well get used to the Ares. They're not going to change it, no matter how many problems arise.&nbsp; The main reason, is to keep as many of the existing jobs as possible.&nbsp; Besides, I've heard on another space blog from someone who knows someone working on the prototype, that it's moving along quicker than planned, for the maiden flight in 2009. <br /> Posted by kyle_baron</DIV></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>There is still time for it to get cancelled.&nbsp; It isn't the maiden flight.&nbsp; It is a test flight, Ares X-1.&nbsp; It has 4 live segment booster with a dummy 5th segment and boilerplate upperstage and CEV. &nbsp; It is delayed vs moving along quicker. &nbsp;&nbsp;</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[kyle_baron]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>&nbsp;I agree.&nbsp; More weight, complexity, cost, etc.&nbsp; They should just put inflatable air matresses in the seats.&nbsp; MacPherson Struts will transfer more vibration to the outer hull of the spacecraft, where the instrumentation is. <br />Posted by kyle_baron</DIV></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Or, NASA could make the seats similar to a Sleep Number Bed.&nbsp; These beds have a sponge-like dark gray foam, on top of an air matress.&nbsp; An air pump beneath the bed supplies the air, which can be adjusted for comfort or weight of the occupant.&nbsp; The air matresses are quite durable, but I've replaced quite a few pumps, which were not properly grounded, in the Hotel where I work (the newer versions are grounded).&nbsp; However,&nbsp; this might increase the height or depth of the chair.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep_number_bed</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font size="4"><strong></strong></font></p> </div>