Battlestar Galactica Question I'm Pondering

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bdewoody

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Assuming this series continues to the point where the refugees from the 12 colonies reach earth I wonder if the show's creators will depict us as we are or as some future space faring civilization.<br /><br />Won't they be disappointed when they get here and find out we can barely get to the moon and back. And how will we receive them when we find out they have lead a race of man killing robots here and from whom we have absolutely no defence.<br /><br />It will be interesting to see how this plays out if they get that far. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <em><font size="2">Bob DeWoody</font></em> </div>
 
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<blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr /><p>Assuming this series continues to the point where the refugees from the 12 colonies reach earth I wonder if the show's creators will depict us as we are or as some future space faring civilization. <br /><br />Won't they be disappointed when they get here and find out we can barely get to the moon and back. And how will we receive them when we find out they have lead a race of man killing robots here and from whom we have absolutely no defence.<p><hr /></p></p></blockquote><br />Hm. This seems like a case of What We Will See vs. What We Should See.<br /><br />I think crazyeddie summed up What We Will See with his summary of What We Already Saw:<br /><blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr /><p>As long as they don't have Apollo and Starbuck hopping on some fancied-up motorcycles with little bitty wings and flying around LA, to the amazement of motorists stuck in traffic, like they did in that godawful Battlestar Galactic: 1980<p><hr /></p></p></blockquote><br />Whereas, What We Should See:<br /><blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr /><p>The Galactica limps toward earth... While still about 300 LY out, they see a small scout ship manned by... <i>robots</i>. Those robots disappear (gulp) and report the oncoming rag-tag fleet to Earth Command (or your cheesy title-of-choice), where the perfectly natural looking (but semi-borgified-under-the-surface) humans dispatch a diplomatic party to welcome the incoming humans.<br /><br />After hearing of the Cylon pursuit, the humans send a detachment and annihilate the rogue toasters in one big battle scene (and relatively anti-climactic series climax).<br /><br />Now knowing where there are a trail of habitable planets, the Earth humans send back colonial parties to stake out the abandoned real-estate and start a recycling program based on reclaiming straggling toasters.<p><hr /></p></p></blockquote><br />Just a thought. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p style="font:normalnormalnormal12px/normalTimes;margin:0px"><strong>Mere precedent is a dangerous source of authority.</strong></p> <p style="font:normalnormalnormal12px/normalTimes;margin:0px">-Andrew Jackson (1767-1845)</p> </div>
 
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My thoughts...<br /><br />BSG (RDM) time frame equals @ 10,000 AD.<br /><br />At about 4000 AD the 3rd great exodus left Earth. One group of colonists stumbled upon a worm hole that took them to another Galaxy. This happened be be a quite young galaxy and they had some difficulty locating a habital world. The one they settled for they named KOBOL!<br /><br />Being well beyond FTL communications range with Earth and the core worlds the millenniums passed with the colonists developing a very different and unique culture. Earth became a myth and the myths of Earth were merged into their ethos.<br /><br />At approximately 8,000 AD an unknown ecological/social disaster befall Kobol. The survivors fled and founded the 12 Colonies.<br /><br />At 10,040 AD the first Cylon War occurred. At 10,080 AD , the 2nd Cylon War and the genocide of humanity, save those who fled with Galactica.<br /><br />At 10,084 AD (re 4th season <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /> ), Humanity in the "Milky Way" has currently spread to encompass/inhabit 30% of the Galaxy. Mankind is not alone in the home galaxy. Untold extraterrestrial species co exist. Most of Human Space is governed by the Republic - a unitary democracy head quartered on Earth. But Humans are not the only sapient children of the Earth. AI was the 2nd, but mankind furthered its tinkering in the genetic make-up of other species - currently Dolphins, Killer Whales, and chimpanzees have all been uplifted to full sapience and equality. <br /><br />Outside of the Republic exist a number of human controlled and independent systems/groups of systems. But the majority of the Galaxy consists of numerous other self governing species. Though humans are the largest power group. Most species have come together to form a loose con-federation of independent states for their own mutual benefit/trade/protection.<br /><br />At 10,084 a Republic science expedition (re)discovered the wormhole to the 'Kobol' galaxy and proceeded to explore it.<br /><br />Repu
 
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At the rate the population keeps dwindling every episode, by the time the fleet reaches Earth, all the ships will be deserted. The people from Earth that discover the fleet entering the solar system would be scratching their heads and be like, "what the heck happened here?"
 
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rocketwatcher2001

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The way I'd love to see it is the fleet jumps into our 2008 solar system, out of detection from Earths population, an episode or 2 figuring out how to make contact, and Adama and the President landing in one of the cities, and meeting with the leaders of Earth. Adama tells the Earths leaders that the cylons are about 12 years behind, and we've got a little over a decade to get ready. <br /><br />End of season<br /><br />Next season, 10 years later, here come the cylons, and we have a big fight in our solar system, beat them back, and start fighting back to the cylon homeworld. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>
 
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vits3k

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My own prognostications:<br /><br />- The four individuals in last night's episode, plus the President, are Cylons.<br />- Starbuck is not.<br />- Earth is not the 13th colony. It's where humans came from before they got to Kobol.<br />- Earth was long ago the scene of a catastrophically destructive war between humans and machines, far worse than the first Cylon war.<br />- Earth is now uninhabited (no lights visible on the dark side of the planet in that 1/2 daylight shot), and may be uninhabitable.<br />- The 11 types of humanoid Cylons (the six we know about, plus the Final Five) are based on the mere 11 viable human survivors of the abovementioned war.<br />- The original machine race decided these humans' DNA must be preserved, as they recognized the advantages of biological construction, neural networks etc.<br />- They created a new race that combined the best features of both, based on those 11 surviving humans' DNA.<br />- Kobol was populated by humans who successfully fled that long-ago war.<br />- The machine race found them there, and there was more fighting.<br />- After the second war, the machine race decided to be peaceful, and evolved into something much higher, almost godlike.<br />- They are in some kind of communication with the current Cylons, hence those Cylons' religious convictions<br />- The current humanoid Cylons aren't aware of this history. This is deliberate on the part of the godlike ones.<br />- The godlike beings are manipulating events for a higher purpose that neither human nor Cylon could entirely comprehend even if they were told about it<br />- This includes ultimately bringing the two races together into one, in a joyful union<br />- Which will be the basis for them joining the earlier, more highly evolved godlike ones, in doing whatever galactic housekeeping such beings do<br />- A few humans won't want to go along with the deal, and will flee in a fleet of ragtag spaceships, looking for a new home to colonize<br /><br />The End (?)
 
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<font color="yellow">vogon13- The man killing robots can be infected with Vista . . . . </font><br /><br />Message to Cylon Command<br />Transmission Source: Earth<br />Fr: 1337HAXXORZ<br /><br /><i>im in ur base, killin ur doodz...</i><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <font size="1">I put on my robe and wizard hat...</font> </div>
 
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skippystars

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<blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr /><p>My thoughts... <br /><br />BSG (RDM) time frame equals @ 10,000 AD. <br /><br />At about 4000 AD the 3rd great exodus left Earth. One group of colonists stumbled upon a worm hole that took them to another Galaxy. This happened be be a quite young galaxy and they had some difficulty locating a habital world. The one they settled for they named KOBOL! <br /><br />Being well beyond FTL communications range with Earth and the core worlds the millenniums passed with the colonists developing a very different and unique culture. Earth became a myth and the myths of Earth were merged into their ethos. <br /><br />At approximately 8,000 AD an unknown ecological/social disaster befall Kobol. The survivors fled and founded the 12 Colonies. <br /><br />At 10,040 AD the first Cylon War occurred. At 10,080 AD , the 2nd Cylon War and the genocide of humanity, save those who fled with Galactica. <br /><br />At 10,084 AD (re 4th season ), Humanity in the "Milky Way" has currently spread to encompass/inhabit 30% of the Galaxy. Mankind is not alone in the home galaxy. Untold extraterrestrial species co exist. Most of Human Space is governed by the Republic - a unitary democracy head quartered on Earth. But Humans are not the only sapient children of the Earth. AI was the 2nd, but mankind furthered its tinkering in the genetic make-up of other species - currently Dolphins, Killer Whales, and chimpanzees have all been uplifted to full sapience and equality. <br /><br />Outside of the Republic exist a number of human controlled and independent systems/groups of systems. But the majority of the Galaxy consists of numerous other self governing species. Though humans are the largest power group. Most species have come together to form a loose con-federation of independent states for their own mutual benefit/trade/protection. <br /><br />At 10,084 a Republic science expedition (re)discovered the wormhole to the 'Kobol' galaxy and proceeded to explor</p></blockquote>
 
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kane007

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I re watched that ending shot of Earth a couple of times. That night side seems to be over mid North Pacific west of California, so no floating cities.<br /><br />Oh I doubt the earther's have been annihilated - see Kara's return and demeanour.
 
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kane007

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The time scale is subjective. My choice, but I like that number as it gives plenty of time for fragmented histories to devolve into myth.
 
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vits3k

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Kara's so filled with the joy of Divine (Cylon) Rapture that she doesn't care if the earth is trashed <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" />
 
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kane007

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Kara's very very unlikely to be a cylon. Refer back to episode 17 - maelstrom - and the conflict she went through with her mother. Though I will not discount possible cylon memory implants or maybe Earther manipulations. <br /><img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /> <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" />
 
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vits3k

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I know, I suggested above that she wasn't a Cylon.<br /><br />But she can still be filled with Cylon rapture, due to the upcoming joyful union.<br /><br />I love this kind of discussion... it's how religious wars that last thousands of years get started <img src="/images/icons/cool.gif" />
 
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kane007

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^^ <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /> <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /> <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" />
 
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vits3k

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But seriously...<br /><br />If they did arrive in our time, I wonder how it all might be handled more intelligently than in Galactica 1980 (feh).<br /><br />Perhaps a bit like Dr Who with the Torchwood Institute?
 
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