Boeing's Heavy Delta 4 Rocket is new rocket Power

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caper

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Boeing's Heavy Delta 4 Rocket is new rocket Power that can lift satellites and supplies/missions to MArs as they supply much boost . This is all good news. Look like MArs just got a little bit closer!!!<br /><br />Caper the Red!!!!
 
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mikejz

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At $150-$200+ Million to get maybe 6000-7000Kg to escape velocity, we are not any closer.
 
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propforce

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More like $150 ~ $200M to get 23Kg to LEO. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>
 
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najab

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><i>More like $150 ~ $200M to get 23Kg to LEO.</i><p>Gee! And I thought the Shuttle was bad at ~$10,000/lb. The Delta works out to - $2 million per pound!!! <img src="/images/icons/shocked.gif" /><img src="/images/icons/shocked.gif" /><img src="/images/icons/tongue.gif" /></p>
 
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propforce

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OK you got me <img src="/images/icons/blush.gif" /> <img src="/images/icons/laugh.gif" /> <img src="/images/icons/blush.gif" /><br /><br />The Delta IV-H is more like $150 ~ $200M to get <font color="yellow">23,000 Kg</font>to LEO. That comes out about $4K/lbm.<br /><br />The shuttle folks would just LOVE the previous comparison <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" />. Hmmm... one launch a year for $5 BILLION $$ budget to get 50K lbm payloads to orbit. <br /><br />You do the math, I had beer for lunch today <img src="/images/icons/cool.gif" /><br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>
 
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yurkin

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50,800 lb to LEO at $150,000,000 is<br />2953 Dollars/pound<br /><br />Not exactly CATS but I don’t think that price can be beet by any other US rocket at the moment.<br />
 
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padrat

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I've heard the price is around $250M for D-IV H.<br /><br />-Pad rat-
 
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propforce

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That is probably the price for the Atlas V Heavy that is still on paper <<< evil grin >>> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>
 
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padrat

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I can't speak to the A-5 HLV price, since it hasn't been built. The D-IV price guesstimate is from published sources. Even the D-IV Medium is over $100M. When the added effort of integrating three CBCs for launch is added in to the cost for the extra vehicle elements, I see no possibility of the Heavy coming in for less than $200M. The $250M figure looks very believable to me. <br /><br />-Pad Rat-<br />*not a LockMart employee*
 
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propforce

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I was just messing with ya.<br /><br /><font color="yellow"><i> ".... When the added effort of integrating three CBCs for launch is added in to the cost for the extra vehicle elements, I see no possibility of the Heavy coming in for less than $200M. The $250M figure looks very believable to me...." </i></font><br /><br />The Delta-IV Heavy that was just launched cost $140M, according to http://www.spaceflightnow.com/delta/d310/<br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>
 
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padrat

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That's a very misleading figure, since it only accounts for what USAF *paid for this mission*. It was more like incentive money - USAF wanted to see a demo flight before they commit to the first operational flight next year and didn't want to saddle Boeing with the full cost of an otherwise non-revenue flight. I guarantee you that $141M was not the total cost of the Demo mission. Boeing sank a lot of its own money into that flight.<br /><br />-Pad Rat-<br />*not a Boeing employee, either*
 
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propforce

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Well, anything you and I can add are mere speculations without an authoritative source. However; I doubt that Boeing could afford to sink their own money into this flight since their executive management already made noise about shutting down the D-IV production line if it's not gong to make money.<br /><br />But I see the $140M price tag reasonable, although maybe bare-bone minimum. Boeing had initially advertised a Heavy launch about $160M. A part of usual price tag include all the analysis performed in relation to the payload and, since this is a dummy payload, that part of cost was eliminated. <br /><br />Boeing sunk its own money to build the Heavy from day one, while LockMart waited for the Air Force to pay them to build one. If you are in management, then LockMart was smarter in their approach. But if you are pro-space, then you have to admire Boeing for taking that plunge. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>
 
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padrat

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I think it's only fair to add that Boeing would not have built D-IV H either, if they had not received any orders from USAF for a heavy.<br /><br />-Pad Rat-
 
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