Books of interest

[Catastrophe]

There is "a continuing speculation on an expanding universe" (as a follow up to Flatland) entitled Sphereland by Dionys Burger. Although available separately, it is obtainable as a double book with Flatland by Edwin A Abbott from Quill.
Both books have a forward by Isaac Asimov. They have 120 pages (Flatland) and 208 pages (Sphereland).

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[Gibsense]

There is "a continuing speculation on an expanding universe" (as a follow up to Flatland) entitled Sphereland by Dionys Burger. Although available separately, it is obtainable as a double book with Flatland by Edwin A Abbott from Quill.
Both books have a forward by Isaac Asimov. They have 120 pages (Flatland) and 208 pages (Sphereland).

I have ordered a copy of Sphereland (a better name than my recent Spaceland offer). It will be fascinating to how similar or otherwise it turns out compared to recent debates. Then we can argue some more, lol. Doesn't arrive til mid Sept.

 

[Helio]

There is "a continuing speculation on an expanding universe" (as a follow up to Flatland) entitled Sphereland by Dionys Burger. Although available separately, it is obtainable as a double book with Flatland by Edwin A Abbott from Quill.
Both books have a forward by Isaac Asimov. They have 120 pages (Flatland) and 208 pages (Sphereland).

Intersting novel.

SPOILER Alert...

In Sphereland (1957), per Wiki, a surveyor measures a triangle whose angles exceed a total of 180 deg. He's fired since that's impossible (Euclidian space). He then makes friends with a "Hexagon" (mathematician and scientist) who recognize they are on a sphere. But the news is suppressed.

I recently read of a Russian scientist(?), perhaps in the 1930s or 1940s, who suffered death after being convicted of not recanting his adoption for the BBT. Bruno did not die for his science, but for his anti-Christian professions. This guy, apparently, did die for his scientific views.

I wish I would have saved the info on this event. Does anyone know of this?

 

[Catastrophe]

Intersting novel.

SPOILER Alert...

In Sphereland (1957), per Wiki, a surveyor measures a triangle whose angles exceed a total of 180 deg. He's fired since that's impossible (Euclidian space). He then makes friends with a "Hexagon" (mathematician and scientist) who recognize they are on a sphere. But the news is suppressed.

I recently read of a Russian scientist(?), perhaps in the 1930s or 1940s, who suffered death after being convicted of not recanting his adoption for the BBT. Bruno did not die for his science, but for his anti-Christian professions. This guy, apparently, did die for his scientific views.

I wish I would have saved the info on this event. Does anyone know of this?

Giordano Bruno, philosopher and scientist, burnt at the ...​

World Socialist Web Site
https://www.wsws.org

16 Feb 2000 — Four centuries ago today, on February 16, 1600, the Roman Catholic Church executed Giordano Bruno, Italian philosopher and scientist, ...

Giordano Bruno, philosopher and scientist, burnt at the stake 400 years ago

Four centuries ago today, on February 16, 1600, the Roman Catholic Church executed Giordano Bruno, Italian philosopher and scientist, for the crime of heresy. He was taken from his cell in the early hours of the morning to the Piazza dei Fiori in Rome and burnt alive at the stake. To the last...

www.wsws.org

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[Helio]

That Socialist site has many errors...

Bruno had some great ideas, some, in fact, were held by a few cardinals, including, the Cardinal of Cuso, regarding many other worlds out there. Recall that Copernicus himself, a church canon, was encouraged by the clergy to publish, which was in 1543. There were no serious issues with it until Galileo, after falsifying the Ptolemy model, ignored the warnings he had been given, including to use "necessary demonstrations" when arguing for Cop's model.

Society then was far more centered around churches. Bruno was kicked out of churches wherever he went, including firstly (IIRC) being excommunicated by the Catholics, then later the Lutherans, Anglicans, and Swiss Calvinists. He, apparently, was once, at least, sued for slander.

He was also rejected from speaking at Oxford (1584).
He then returned to Paris where he was welcome back into Catholicism, but required to return to his order. [from link below]

His judgement came from holding to a theology anathema to the core tenets of the Church. [A partial list from here]

 

[billslugg]

Gallileo was under house arrest the last few years of his life. Pope Urban did it because Gallileo wrote as fact, not theory, that the Earth orbits the Sun. But what really got under Urban's skin was that Gallileo used a character, "Simplicio" as a foil, who was using one of Urban's own arguments.

 

[Catastrophe]

Intersting novel.

SPOILER Alert...

In Sphereland (1957), per Wiki, a surveyor measures a triangle whose angles exceed a total of 180 deg. He's fired since that's impossible (Euclidian space). He then makes friends with a "Hexagon" (mathematician and scientist) who recognize they are on a sphere. But the news is suppressed.

I recently read of a Russian scientist(?), perhaps in the 1930s or 1940s, who suffered death after being convicted of not recanting his adoption for the BBT. Bruno did not die for his science, but for his anti-Christian professions. This guy, apparently, did die for his scientific views.

I wish I would have saved the info on this event. Does anyone know of this?

Last Spanish. Any clue as to "by whom"?

Gaietà Ripoll I Pla (Spanish: Cayetano Ripoll) (1778 in allegedly from Solsona – 26 July 1826 in Valencia) was a Catalan schoolmaster. Executed for teaching deist principles, he is the last known victim of the Spanish Inquisition, although technically the Inquisition no longer existed at that time, and it was the Junta de Fe of Valencia that had him hanged by the civil authority.[1][2]

For his denial of the Catechism of the Catholic Church the Spanish Inquisition clergymen requested Ripoll be burnt at the stake for his religious offenses. However, the civil authority chose to hang him instead. Allegedly, the Church authorities, upset that Ripoll had not been burned at the stake, placed his body into a barrel, painted flames on it and buried it in unconsecrated ground. Other reports state that the Church authorities placed his body into a barrel and burned the barrel, throwing the ashes into a river. Ripoll is recorded as the last known person to be executed under sentence from a Church authority for having committed the act of heresy.[4] Ripoll's famous last words were, "I die reconciled to God and man."[5]

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[Gibsense]

Sticks and stones may break my bones but words can kill you.

Humm, must be more careful...

 

[Catastrophe]

Who must be 'more' careful, and why?

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[Gibsense]

Who must be 'more' careful, and why?

I must be more careful. Historical execution for stating the truth and current trends in the UK re Free Speech and religion

 

[Helio]

Gallileo was under house arrest the last few years of his life. Pope Urban did it because Gallileo wrote as fact, not theory, that the Earth orbits the Sun. But what really got under Urban's skin was that Gallileo used a character, "Simplicio" as a foil, who was using one of Urban's own arguments.

Yes. His Dialogue book ended in making Simplicio look foolish. This more than ended their long term friendship. Galileo was instructed by Bellarmine (1616) that “necessary demonstration” would be required to favor Cop’s model even though the Ptolemy model was falsified by Galileo by providing that “necessary demonstration”. Galileo erroneously was convinced tides proved Cops’s model.

Also, he had made powerful enemies who had some influence with the Pope. Then there was an issue with how the book got published as if Galileo had tricked the Index folks due to odd circumstances.

I hope a major motion picture is done to reveal Galileo’s (Father of modern science) incredible story.

 

[Helio]

Last Spanish. Any clue as to "by whom"?

The Spanish Inquisition was the most brutal, AFAIK. The Pope was under pressure by Spain to be “more righteous” with the Italian Inquisition, compounding the pressure on the Pope’s to take actions toward the world-famous Galileo,

But we don’t have to go back to the 17th century to see religious-based hatred rationalize atrocities, regrettably.

 

[Catastrophe]

Helio, that is the best I could search:

he is the last known victim of the Spanish Inquisition, although technically the Inquisition no longer existed at that time, and it was the Junta de Fe of Valencia that had him hanged by the civil authority

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[Catastrophe]

The Spanish Inquisition was the most brutal, AFAIK. The Pope was under pressure by Spain to be “more righteous” with the Italian Inquisition, compounding the pressure on the Pope’s to take actions toward the world-famous Galileo,

But we don’t have to go back to the 17th century to see religious-based hatred rationalize atrocities, regrettably.

MIT Press
https://mitpress.mit.edu › russian-cosmism

In the 1930s, Stalin quashed Cosmism, jailing or executing many members of the movement. Today, when the philosophical imagination has again become entangled ...

Cosmism entailed a broad theory of natural philosophy, combining elements of religion and ethics with a history and philosophy of the origin, evolution, and future existence of the cosmos and humankind. It combined elements from both Eastern and Western philosophic traditions as well as from the Russian Orthodox Church.[4] , <Wiki>

Any nearer?

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[Gibsense]

Today I received a copy of Sphereland! I attempted to read from the beginning. I did not realise that the books were opposite (Flatlander was upside down). So I have started off with Sphereland accidentally.
So far it has been a "Flatlander View" but will get more interesting I think as the grandchild gets the hang of dimensions. We shall see ...
I also got a copy of " Quantum Mechanics for Beginners" by Kapani. No idea if it is ok or not but you have to start somewhere. I think we can have fun debating this. But first 'Sphereland".

 

[Gibsense]

Just finished Sphereland. No surprises but an interesting thought worth thinking about was the comment re knots and links; the analogy with Lineland (the ability to rearrange at will if you were in a higher dimension). The comment that a 4dlander could 'unlink' links in a 3D world and transport stuff through walls etc.

NB The above comment 3D is meant as spacetime and 4Dlander is meant as a viewer from dimension extra to ours.

It just so happens that where I originally come from in East Yorkshire near Bridlington a guy there consistently experienced weird stuff for which there was no reasonable explanation - in fact his whole family got used to things transporting through walls and the like. Hence that part rang a bell for me.

He wrote a few innocently written books, which I found believable despite their seemingly ridiculous accounts. The area in which events take place closely matches my own experience. Hence I took his unbelievable writing more seriously.
A series starts with "Truth Proof" by Paul Sinclair. Most posters here would not, I think, give it much credibility however I do - let's face it this is Yorkshire, England. Gods own country.

 

[Gibsense]

As illustrated in the book Sphereland we 3D people cannot visualise 4D space and therefore time rotation. And, like the King in 'Sphereland', we are ignorant of the curvature reality of the space we live in. The King in Lineland could only sense 'the line' and could not agree/visualise a line curved as this involves an extra dimension to his confinement in a line. Similarly, we cannot visualise (except mathematically) the additional dimension of 4D space.

See "The Flatness Problem; Solved ?" Post