bubble-like voids of non-existence trapped in spacetime?

[bonzelite]

ok. for sake of argument: the big bang happens. <br /><br />it expands the infant universe and it grows and expands. eventually, matter clumps up and the roughly spherical expanding medium begins to morph and distort as areas change, congeal, twist, collapse, otherwise distort the spherical explosion. eventually, the universe no longer resembles an expanding sphere, but is this completely amorphous blob of varied matter and density. <br /><br />could, then, during this process, actual bubbles or pockets of the "nothingness" that the universe is expanding into get trapped and surrounded by the expanding spacetime process as regions of the universe clump and change? <br /><br />in other words, a rough analogue "model" of this would be as if air bubbles are caught in blown glass, whereby the "glass" is the expanding universe, and the "bubbles" are the areas of the trapped "nothingness" that spacetime is expanding into. <br /><br />this, of course, forces BB theory to address just what in !!! the universe is expanding into. and whatever it is, may not simply be beyond the border of the "end" of the universe, but is actually interspersed, right now, throughout spacetime. <br /><br />any ideas on this? has this been posted before? <br />

 

[harmonicaman]

That sounds like a pretty good descriptioin of "m" (mass). From the perspective of "c" (the speed of light) and time, mass must seem like "trapped bubbles of nothingness".

 

[bonzelite]

i'm talking about the "bubbles" being the non-existence remains of the preBB state. there is nothing there. no mass. no time. trapped pockets of nothing. swiss cheese cosmos. <br /><br />the propagation of the BB, as it happened "everywhere" at every point, as it cooled and clumped, left areas undone. a fantasy, yes. but is it plausible?

 

[smartie]

<blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr /><p>could, then, during this process, actual bubbles or pockets of the "nothingness" that the universe is expanding into get trapped and surrounded by the expanding spacetime process as regions of the universe clump and change? <p><hr /></p></p></blockquote><br /><br />Get real man!<br /><br />Nothing is very small so how on Earth can something expand into it! In fact it has no size at all. In fact in nature there is no such thing as nothing. It is an impossibility! I challenge anybody to show me 'nothing' or explain nothing in the natural world. It is a tool for mathematics only. All of nature is based on fractal geometry. Try learning fractal geometry instead of this Euclidean geometry. In Euclidean geometry we can have zero, and infinity is impossible to comprehend. In fractal geometry zero is an impossibility (thats why I'm here, I have to exist from my perspective)... and infinity can exist in a finite space! Amazing! <br /> Did you know that a tree is not three dimensional!It is fractional dimensional. Go on check it out. And did you know that depending on the resolution you choose a tree can be infinitely long! Wow!<br /><br /><br /> <br /><br />

 

[harmonicaman]

Yes; and I'm simply saying that "m" (mass) is the perfect candidate for this "nothingness" which is left over from the BB!<br /><br />Look at "m" from the viewpoint of spacetime, and there is your (black) hole or bubble of nothingness.<br /><br />Things in the universe are sometimes the opposite of what they seem... <img src="/images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /><br /><br />E=mc²<br /><br />

 

[smartie]

Relativity shows that mass of an object changes with acceleration. Lets turn relativity on its head for a second. What if the photon is actually contracting at the speed of light towards negative infinity. What if slowing its rate of contraction causes it to acquire mass and behave like a particle with mass and a physical size like an electron....just a guess.

 

[kyle_baron]

ok. for sake of argument: the big bang happens. <br /><br />The Big Bangers assume space is made from the energy<br />in the Big Bang. Then this energy must be infinite, because the universe keeps expanding forever.<br />Both assumptions are false, because space has no <br />begining or end ( but possibly-likely other dimensions).<br />Why can't we accept these truths? Answer: Because<br />the math doesn't represent reality.<br /><br />could, then, during this process, actual bubbles or pockets of the "nothingness" that the universe is expanding into get trapped and surrounded by the expanding spacetime process as regions of the universe clump and change?<br /><br />Where is the nothingness that you're looking for? Answer: It's in the absence of energy and mass. You<br />won't find it today, with light polluting the whole universe. From what I've read, photons can move thru<br />the whole universe at once (from the photons RELATIVE<br />point of view), because they experience no time, and<br />can travel thru other dimensions of space, to cover the<br />whole universe (think, the double slit light experiments).<br /><br />You can also chew on this for a while:<br />http://www.angelfire.com/id/jsredshift/dobspeaks.htm<br />The "it" he speaks of is the nothingness in space IMHO.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font size="4"><strong></strong></font></p> </div>

 

[smartie]

How do you propose to have bubbles of nothingness when nothing has no size at all? Say there was nothing between Earth and the moon then they would be touching eachother. Surely all the outer spherical membrane of the bubble would be meeting at the same point and no longer be a bubble.

 

[bonzelite]

<font color="yellow"><br />How do you propose to have bubbles of nothingness when nothing has no size at all? Say there was nothing between Earth and the moon then they would be touching eachother. Surely all the outer spherical membrane of the bubble would be meeting at the same point and no longer be a bubble.</font><br /><br />cool point! <br /><br />that would make, then, the likelihood of their existence even greater if you buy into black holes. they're commonplace, then. so the question is answered in that way. pockets of nothingness are everywhere. <br /><br />it remains open if there was something that the universe was expanding "into." popular idea prohibits this, as the universe defines itself by it's own existence, with nothing else possible beyond or before it. <br /><br />if there were bubbles of nothingness, they'd probably be enveloped in a similar sort of event horizon structure, as the region would be a destabilzed area. where the two fronts came together, matter and nothingness, would be a transition zone of violence.

 

[jatslo]

Mass does not require weight or charge, and let us not forget about Negative Mass, in which I like to call inflationary.

 

[bonzelite]

ok, so put this to me in another way. i sort of get it, but i don't fully. someone else suggested the nothingness to be mass. this is interesting. <br /><br />more please.....

 

[jatslo]

mass is like volume times density, so you can have volume with zero density, and that is empty space.<br /><br />Simple geometry

 

[bonzelite]

that is totally awesome. now i see. the bubbles of nothingness could be mass after all. <br /><br />

 

[jatslo]

The space between galaxies might be a good place to look; however, a true empty space would be in total equilibrium with itself without outside somatic tension, i.e. gravity, electromagnetism, etc. As a medium it could theoretically transmit zero masses, like light. I am curious, if this hypothetical space has -(0) vacuum.<br /><br />It is these voids, in which I think light is instant. <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" /><br /><br />... do not take my word for it...

 

[bonzelite]

...the plot thickens...