Business plans to realize practical wormholes

[mammad]

Hi everybody,<br /><br />How do you assess the commertializing of spacetime shortcuts technology? Would be a suitable public response to gather the needed funding by selling the debentures? I think it’s the best way, what do you think?<br /><br />Cheers,<br />MM

 

[MeteorWayne]

I think anyone is going to have a VERY hard time raising money, except as PT Barnum allows.<br /><br />Welcome to the real world of Space.com!! <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080"><em><font color="#000000">But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id.</font></em> </font></p><p><font color="#000080">I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function</font><font color="#000080"> </font></p> </div>

 

[mammad]

MeteorWayne,<br /><br />Thanks for the comment. What does “PT Barnum” mean? Could you please explain? BTW, to have a better insight of the situation, look at this debate:<br /><br />http://uplink.space.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=scifi&Number=622287&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=0&fpart=1&vc=1 <br /><br />

 

[MeteorWayne]

uhhh, that was a thread in SCIENCE FICTION.<br />You are now posting is SPACE BUSINESS AND TECHNOLOGY.<br /><br />Please don't confuse the two.<br /><br />Look up PT Barnum famous quotes on Google. You'll get it <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080"><em><font color="#000000">But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id.</font></em> </font></p><p><font color="#000080">I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function</font><font color="#000080"> </font></p> </div>

 

[qso1]

My assessment:<br /><br />Science has not yet proven wormholes even exist, much less will actually be useable for travel.<br /><br />Business is just beginning to get into the business of sending humans to low orbit and is still a few years away at best from actually doing that.<br /><br />Wormholes as travel devices are pretty much the stuff of science fiction so my advice, too early to invest. You'd do just as well investing in beach front property on the moon. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><strong>My borrowed quote for the time being:</strong></p><p><em>There are three kinds of people in life. Those who make it happen, those who watch it happen...and those who do not know what happened.</em></p> </div>

 

[mammad]

ZeroGeezus,<br /><br />Thanks for the comment. My problem is now the mechanism of gaining the initial capital, via the internet, unfortunately not brochures YET. Maybe this post about me could be helpful:<br /><br />http://extremetechnology.blogspot.com/2006/03/macroscopic-tranversable-spacewarp.html<br /><br />Besides, I need the help of the CGI or Photoshop experts so much, however the Star Wars, & Star Treks movies have created a pleasant cultural background for this technology already. <br />Anyway, thanks again & I wait for other cool suggestions by you.

 

[mammad]

MeteorWayne, <br /><br />I know what sort of thread I cited and what thread I’m posting now. There is no confusion, please read that debate carefully. Clearly, it’s a surprise, but please advise me if you’d like that sci-fi-like subject to be realized in the most peaceful possible manner.<br /><br />Best wishes,<br />M. Mansouryar

 

[mammad]

qso1,<br /><br />Thanks for your comment. I request you to please read this discussion carefully:<br /><br />http://www.greenenergyinvestors.com/index.php?showtopic=230&st=0<br /><br />In fact, VERY carefully. I’m sure you’d be convinced how much I’m serious on its being practical. Please let’s keep this thread about the business, not science & tell what would you do if you were in my shoes, and sure of its realizing within a very short time?

 

[webtaz99]

It sounds like you need to find what is called an "angel". This would be someone willing to provide venture capital for long-term, high-risk research. Until you have<br /><br />1) a demonstrated ability to move at least some complete atoms across a "wormhole"<br /><br />and<br /><br />2) at least one patent, with the probability of patents world-wide<br /><br />you will not get "ordinary" investment. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[mammad]

webtaz99,<br /><br />Thanks for the comment. Now, I’m thinking the greatest “angel” is the trust of ordinary people who are interested to invest on this theory; and more number of people, less doing risky for them, but more energy & responsibility to me. For example, as I’ve mentioned, if one million individuals would buy a ten dollars debenture, (disregarding the probable donations) the starting funding gets ready. <br />As you know, this technology could cause a new era for the mankind, so it would be much better if every part of its formation would be under a kind of public observation, something like the SETI project. <br /><br />… 1) a demonstrated ability to move at least some complete atoms across a "wormhole" …<br /><br />Theoretically, I’ve done whatever I could; I wish its related experiments were as easy as the classical mechanics!! BTW, the above ability needs a big laboratory only university, governmental, or a military entities could have, if we don’t consider a business treatment in a company. Three former ones have special flaws & drawbacks, also remember WHERE I live, but the latter is the best, quickest, & clearest possible status, if the people of the world would help me. <br /><br />… 2) at least one patent, with the probability of patents world-wide … <br /><br />I have one. Wait for the STAIF-2007 at 11-15 Feb. However, having tens of patents won’t work, if one couldn’t realize them.<br /><br />… you will not get "ordinary" investment … <br /><br />Proportional to the nature of this operation! All I want is: this investment would bring “good” results, not “bad” …

 

[ngc4303]

Hello,<br /><br />I'm sorry for barging in on your conversation, but just how developed are these plans? This is exactly the sort of thing that I would like to see developed. Could you tell me more about how it would work?<br />

 

[nyarlathotep]

Well, one business that tried to successfully use wormholes was Enron.

 

[nyarlathotep]

<font color="yellow">How do you assess the commertializing of spacetime shortcuts technology? Would be a suitable public response to gather the needed funding by selling the debentures?</font><br /><br />Ok, more serious this time. <br /><br />Unless you've just recently won a Nobel Prize, you don't have a way of commercialising 'spacetime shortcuts technology'. A suitable public response would be to laugh your ass off at anyone who gives you money. <br /><br />P.S: Could I sell you a 240% overunity generator to power your wormhole machine?

 

[qso1]

I've read the link you provided and so far, I see nothing that assures me were on the verge of some breakthrough here. I'm not trying to put your idea down, just looking at whats out there which is this so far:<br /><br />Private industry/enterprise has just begun to get their feet wet in the quest to just get people into earth orbit cost effectively.<br /><br />Burt Rutan/Scaled Composites/Virgin Galactic:<br />They are working to get people to low orbit by around 2010.<br /><br />Bigelow Aerospace:<br />Working to provide a destination for the Rutan/Bezos vehicles.<br /><br />Jeff Bezos/Blue Origins:<br />Just flight tested a prototype vehicle that will hopefully lead to an orbital version. This prototype has so far flown once and only to 285 feet. Unless the Bezos team has done another and not anounced it.<br /><br />Three companies have demonstrated some ability to just get to low orbit...and they had to have a convincing plan to get their investors aboard.<br /><br />Case in point:<br />Rutan got Bill Gates partner Paul Allen to invest in Space Ship One. Did Paul Allen invest because Burt simply said this may be doable? Hardly. Allen invested because Rutan has a strong record of aviation firsts and accomplishments. Rutan was also proposing a project within the well understood bounds of known physics.<br /><br />One might be able to find an investor for something far less defined such as wormhole travel and maybe, just maybe this team will demonstrate it possible. But much groundwork lay ahead. The main task being to identify wormholes.<br /><br />We might find the first wormhole and find it 37 light years away. To utilize that, we would have to be able just to get to it and thats going to take decades of infrastructure development.<br /><br />Manufacturing wormholes as was suggested in one of the article links is another as yet totally unproven area.<br /><br />http://www.americananti <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><strong>My borrowed quote for the time being:</strong></p><p><em>There are three kinds of people in life. Those who make it happen, those who watch it happen...and those who do not know what happened.</em></p> </div>

 

[mammad]

NGC4303,<br /><br />Thanks for the comment, but I didn’t understand it. Do you want to know about the wormholes or my business plans? About the wormholes, try wikipedia:<br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wormhole <br /><br />About the possible plans, I’m eager to hear your ideas.

 

[mammad]

Nyarlathotep, <br /><br />I see. More scientific reputation is needed to realize it. However, that’s not limited to Nobel prizes, many great scientists & artists have not won the Nobel or Oscar. BTW, cynical impolite guys who don’t know about the wormhole physics may invest their money on other stuffs.

 

[mammad]

qso1,<br /><br />Thanks again for the comment. <br /><br />… I see nothing that assures me were on the verge of some breakthrough here …<br /><br />Please consider there are boudaries between the theoretical physics & what we utilize in the real world. Imagie the Wright brothers could fold a paper & fly that in the air to illustrate the idea of a metallic plane is reasonable, but I can’t do a similar thing in this case. It’s impossible, isn’t it?<br />Also, I respect all the done efforts in the privte aerospace industry, everyone is free to choose the best possible way. <br /><br />… We might find the first wormhole and find it 37 light years away …<br /><br />Consider a wormhole, as an automobile design. That must be constructed artificially. <br /><br />… To utilize that, we would have to be able just to get to it and thats going to take decades of infrastructure development …<br /><br />I don’t know how I requst you; but please tell your comment about it, if the scenario is supposed to be realized within next months, not decades. Take it easy & free your mind. <br /><br />… In the above link, no real technical details were provided …<br /><br />The technical details can be found in the Eq. (7), in my paper, linked in that page. <br /><br />… I didn't even see an indication if some kind of working prototype is under development …<br /><br />I presented a schematic design:<br /><br />http://www.arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0511086 <br /><br />Although, much more details are on the way, but what do you call presentig more & more details, when I haven’t seen a desired feedback? Being honest, or being naive? <br /><br />… If I were an investor, I'd still be hanging onto my cash at this point …<br /><br />And what would be your feeling if I were right & you would have lost a big chance, regarding its awesome applications & ramifications, as we watch in the movies? <br /><br />… I came away from this one knowing the guy

 

[mammad]

ZeroGeezus,<br /><br />… I really don't know much about physics …<br /><br />So don’t expect me to reply your comments about the related physics. Wikipedia could be a good teacher for you. Besides, this debate is about business, not physics.<br /><br />… That's like the short formula on how to become a billionare …<br /><br />My main goal is not to become a billionare. I need money to realize my plans in a peaceful manner, unless other possibility is to do them by making weapons, for the guys who have no problem to spend money for this work.

 

[MeteorWayne]

Since the physics is imaginary, so's the business. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080"><em><font color="#000000">But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id.</font></em> </font></p><p><font color="#000080">I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function</font><font color="#000080"> </font></p> </div>

 

[mammad]

Imagine that's not imaginary. Can you imagine?

 

[MeteorWayne]

I imagine so. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080"><em><font color="#000000">But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id.</font></em> </font></p><p><font color="#000080">I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function</font><font color="#000080"> </font></p> </div>

 

[ngc4303]

What I meant was how developed is your research? Are you sure that you can pull wormholes off on a macroscopic level?

 

[ngc4303]

The way I see it, wormholes are a manditory technology to ensure the long term survival of our species, I would be glad to help in any way that I can.

 

[MeteorWayne]

Welcome to SDC!<br /><br />He needs 10 million dollars, to invest on something that doesn't exist.<br /><br />Now you're caught up on the posts <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080"><em><font color="#000000">But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id.</font></em> </font></p><p><font color="#000080">I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function</font><font color="#000080"> </font></p> </div>

 

[ngc4303]

The truth is, the reason that the project needs money is BECAUSE it doesn't exist. This project could turn out to be the most important discovery of all time, it just needs a little help to make it work. <br /><br />Mamad,<br />I'm certain that if your calculations are sound and reasonable, someone will want to invest. You just need to find the right people.<br /> <br />BTW, I would invest, but i'm afraid that I don't have any spare money to give,<br />Sorry.