China space power?

nec208 · Jan 1, 2009

Does anyone know when the China is planning to go up in space again?What about China building a space station? Are there not planning to go to the moon around 2020? <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

JonClarke · Jan 2, 2009

Few details, but some general outlines. The next phase of Chinese space development is the Tiangong mini-station, which is derived from the Shenzhou.  It will fly in 2010 apparently, and will include the next Shenzhou flight.  Supposedly this phase will last 5 years and include 3 Tiangong spacecraft.   This will be followed by a Mir-like multi-module station.http://thespacereview.com/article/1231/1 http://www.globalsecurity.org/space/world/china/piloted-shenzhou-7-plan.htm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shenzhou_8http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shenzhou_9http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shenzhou_10http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiangong_1http://www.collectspace.com/ubb/Forum32/HTML/000154.html http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/China_Sets_Sights_On_First_Space_Station_999.html Jon <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Whether we become a multi-planet species with unlimited horizons, or are forever confined to Earth will be decided in the twenty-first century amid the vast plains, rugged canyons and lofty mountains of Mars Arthur Clarke </div>

nec208 · Jan 2, 2009

I take it Shenzhou is small space station.And going up in 2010 http://www.chinapage.com/space/shenzhou5.jpg So Shenzhou 8 space laboratory module ,Shenzhou 9 Shenzhou cargo  ,shenzhou 10 will be docked 2010?Why have 3 mini-station is up in 2010 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ In 1992, authorization and funding was given for the first phase of Project 921, which was a plan to launch a manned spacecraft. The Shenzhou program had four unmanned test flights and two manned missions. The first one was Shenzhou 1 on November 20, 1999. On January 9, 2001 Shenzhou 2 launched carrying test animals. Shenzhou 3 and Shenzhou 4 were launched in 2002, carrying test dummies. Following these was the successful Shenzhou 5, China's first manned mission in space on October 15, 2003, which carried Yang Liwei in orbit for 21 hours and made China the third nation to launch a human into orbit. Shenzhou 6 followed two years later ending the first phase of the Project 921. Missions are launched on the Long March 2F rocket from the Jiuquan Satellite Launch Center. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Why the gap of 1992 to 1999 for test unmand flight?And than a test animals in 2001?And and 2 test flights in 2002 test dummies.And person in space in 2003.When US and USSR go back to the 50's? Than a China's first manned mission in space on October 15, 2003 and other manned mission 2005 .So long for Project 921? Than Project 921 starts and 2008 space walk. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

nec208 · Jan 2, 2009

The second phase of the Project 921 started with Shenzhou 7, China's first spacewalk mission. Then, two manned missions will be conducted to the first Chinese space laboratory. The PRC initially designed the Shenzhou spacecraft with docking technologies +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++So that means they got to go up 2 times before 2010 when Tiangong mini-station is up in 2010. Why does the Shenzhou 7 look burned ?http://a52.g.akamaitech.net/f/52/827/1d/www.space.com/images/v_shz6_postland_02.jpg It looks 2 times bigger than the Shenzhou 5 http://bbs.chinadaily.com.cn/attachments/month_0702/Shenzhou5-3_t59dB5XNQjTc.jpg   <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

JonClarke · Jan 2, 2009

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>I take it Shenzhou is small space station.And going up in 2010 http://www.chinapage.com/space/shenzhou5.jpgSo Shenzhou 8 space laboratory module ,Shenzhou 9 Shenzhou cargo  ,shenzhou 10 will be docked 2010?Why have 3 mini-station is up in 2010 </DIV>Tiangong is the space station, Shenzhou is the ferry.  The Chinese appear to want to test docking unmanned first, which is quite reasonable.  This will also pave the way for unmanned resupply missions as well, like Progress for the Russians.  Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Why the gap of 1992 to 1999 for test unmand flight?</DIV>Seven years is not unreasonable for the time between authorisation and first test flight, based on other nation's experience.Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>And than a test animals in 2001?</DIV>Same reason as the US and Russia used animals.  Life support validation and biomedical research.Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>And and 2 test flights in 2002 test dummies.</DIV>Dummies allow validation of things like suits and seats.  They can also be insyrumented for biomedical research.Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>And person in space in 2003.</DIV>Because they were ready to do so.Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>When US and USSR go back to the 50's? </DIV>Not quite sure what your point is here.Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Than a China's first manned mission in space on October 15, 2003 and other manned mission 2005 .So long for Project 921? Posted by nec208 </DIV>Not particularly long, as the table below shows.<table border="1" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" class="MsoTableGrid" style="border-collapse:collapse"><tbody><tr><td width="287" valign="top" style="padding-right:5.4pt;padding-left:5.4pt;padding-bottom:0cm;width:215.6pt;padding-top:0cm;background-color:transparent">

JonClarke · Jan 2, 2009

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>So that means they got to go up 2 times before 2010 when Tiangong mini-station is up in 2010. </DIV>there will be two unamnned missions (Sz-8 & 9) before the next manned mission (Sz 10).  Of course plans may well change.Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Why does the Shenzhou 7 look burned ?</DIV>Spacecraft with ablative heatshields generally do when they have landed.http://a52.g.akamaitech.net/f/52/827/1d/www.space.com/images/v_shz6_postland_02.jpgIt looks 2 times bigger than the Shenzhou 5 http://bbs.chinadaily.com.cn/attachments/month_0702/Shenzhou5-3_t59dB5XNQjTc.jpg Posted by nec208 </DIV>Can't see this at all, especially as there is no obvious scale in the Sz-5 picture.Jon <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Whether we become a multi-planet species with unlimited horizons, or are forever confined to Earth will be decided in the twenty-first century amid the vast plains, rugged canyons and lofty mountains of Mars Arthur Clarke </div>

nec208 · Jan 2, 2009

Tiangong is the space station, Shenzhou is the ferry.  The Chinese wappear to what the test docking unamnned first, which is quitereasonable.  This will also pave the way for unamnned resupply missions as well, like Progreess for the Russians.  +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++So how are they going to build this Tiangong small space station with out doing space walks? And what will the Shenzhou ferry be used for?And do they have to do space walk to build those ferry ? <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

JonClarke · Jan 2, 2009

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>So how are they going to build this Tiangong small space station with out doing space walks? </DIV>Tiangong is supposed to mass 8 tonnes, the same as Shenzhou.  it will be launched by the same rocket.  No assembly required.Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>And what will the Shenzhou ferry be used for?</DIV>To ferry people to and from the station.Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>And do they have to do space walk to build those ferry? Posted by nec208</DIV>No.Jon   <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Whether we become a multi-planet species with unlimited horizons, or are forever confined to Earth will be decided in the twenty-first century amid the vast plains, rugged canyons and lofty mountains of Mars Arthur Clarke </div>

trailrider · Jan 2, 2009

"Tiangong is supposed to mass 8 tonnes, the same as Shenzhou.  it will be launched by the same rocket.  No assembly required."Batteries included? <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/content/scripts/tinymce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-wink.gif" border="0" alt="Wink" title="Wink" />  And if China lands humans on the Moon by 2020, will U.S. astronauts have to apply for visas? (Sorry, can't resist!)  Here's to CANX Ares I, substitute Jupiter 120, and build Ares VI (V with SSME's 8.4m dia.)!Ad LEO! Ad Luna! Ad Ares! Ad Astra!

JonClarke · Jan 3, 2009

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>"Batteries included?   Posted by trailrider</DIV>Yep, and solar panels!No visas will be needed.  <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Whether we become a multi-planet species with unlimited horizons, or are forever confined to Earth will be decided in the twenty-first century amid the vast plains, rugged canyons and lofty mountains of Mars Arthur Clarke </div>

nec208 · Jan 3, 2009

To ferry people to and from the station.+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Why can't the space capsule do that? Like the Orion capsule for the US to ferry people to and from the station. Orion: NASA http://www.popsci.com/files/imagecache/article_image_large/files/articles/orion.jpghttp://msnbcmedia1.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Video/060831/n_nasa_orion_060831.300w.jpg The Orion capsule and ISS.http://www.odysseysr.com/images/orion_iss.jpg    <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

JonClarke · Jan 3, 2009

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Why can't the space capsule do that? Like the Orion capsule for the US to ferry people to and from the station.  Posted by nec208</DIV>The capsule is part of the Shenzhou spacecraft.  That is why it will be able to ferry for people to and from the Tiangong station.Jon <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Whether we become a multi-planet species with unlimited horizons, or are forever confined to Earth will be decided in the twenty-first century amid the vast plains, rugged canyons and lofty mountains of Mars Arthur Clarke </div>

vulture4 · Jan 7, 2009

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>The capsule is part of the Shenzhou spacecraft.  That is why it will be able to ferry for people to and from the Tiangong station.Jon Posted by jonclarke</DIV>However it is no secret that China would like to join the ISS program; with the change in leadership at NASA this might be possible, and given our need for resources, mutually beneficial.

chanimanga · Jan 7, 2009

I'm surprised China would want to join the ISS programme, given their history of doing things their own way. Or do you think its more to gain the knowledge required to then go and build their own? <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Join a true space community TheAlphaOrbital.com </div>

JonClarke · Jan 8, 2009

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>I'm surprised China would want to join the ISS programme, given their history of doing things their own way. Or do you think its more to gain the knowledge required to then go and build their own? Posted by chanimanga</DIV>My should they not do both?China are not an ISS partner and they are not likely to be asked to join until they have demonstrated their technical capability, including rendezvous and docking.Even then, it is not certain whether they can reach the ISS with their current spacecraft and rockets.I think they Chinese would see an invitation to join the ISS, or even to vsiit, as a great coup.  But they are not counting on it.Jon   <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Whether we become a multi-planet species with unlimited horizons, or are forever confined to Earth will be decided in the twenty-first century amid the vast plains, rugged canyons and lofty mountains of Mars Arthur Clarke </div>

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