Clark C. McClelland, former ScO, Space Shuttle Fleet, claims to have seen an ET standing in the shut

[Smersh]

<p>Just when you may have thought it was safe to go back in the water (ie no more former NASA astronauts or employees making ET claims,) this story has appeared:</p><p><strong><font color="#008000">NASA veteran Clark C. McClelland confirms alien existence as outlined by astronaut Edgar Mitchell<br /><br />I, Clark C. McClelland, former ScO, Space Shuttle Fleet, personally observed an 8 to 9 foot tall ET on his 27 inch video monitors while on duty in the Kennedy Space Center, Launch Control Center (LCC). The ET was standing upright in the Space Shuttle Payload Bay having a discussion with TWO tethered US NASA Astronauts! I also observed on my monitors, the spacecraft of the ET as it was in a stabilized, safe orbit to the rear of the Space Shuttle main engine pods.</font></strong></p><p><font color="#008000"><strong>I observed this incident for about one minute and seven seconds. Plenty of time to memorize all that I was observing.</strong></font></p><p><font color="#008000"><strong>It WAS AN ET and Alien Star Ship!</strong></font></p><p><font color="#008000"><strong>A friend of mine later contacted me and said that this person had also observed an 8 to 9 foot tall ET INSIDE the SPACE SHUTTLE CREW COMPARTMENT! Yes, inside OUR Shuttle! BOTH missions were DoD (Pentagon) TOP SECRET (TS) encounters!&nbsp;</strong></font></p><p><font color="#008000"><strong>With my verifiable background, there is no Federal Government Agency that can say I am crazy!</strong></font></p><p>Full story <strong>here.&nbsp;</strong></p><p>I have a feeling that last sentence may be challenged by some, but we'll see. I believe Mr McClelland may have made other ET claims before.&nbsp; </p><p><img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/content/scripts/tinymce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-innocent.gif" border="0" alt="Innocent" title="Innocent" />&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <h1 style="margin:0pt;font-size:12px">----------------------------------------------------- </h1><p><font color="#800000"><em>Lady Nancy Astor: "Winston, if you were my husband, I'd poison your tea."<br />Churchill: "Nancy, if you were my wife, I'd drink it."</em></font></p><p><font color="#0000ff"><strong>Website / forums </strong></font></p> </div>

 

[centsworth_II]

Looks like we're seeing another detrimental effect of long term space flight.&nbsp; The cross country drive by one astronaut&nbsp; to 'talk' with her romantic rival put to rest the "I'm an astronaut so I can't be crazy" argument. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[et_earth]

Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Just when you may have thought it was safe to go back in the water (ie no more former NASA astronauts or employees making ET claims,) this story has appeared:NASA veteran Clark C. McClelland confirms alien existence as outlined by astronaut Edgar MitchellI, Clark C. McClelland, former ScO, Space Shuttle Fleet, personally observed an 8 to 9 foot tall ET on his 27 inch video monitors while on duty in the Kennedy Space Center, Launch Control Center (LCC). The ET was standing upright in the Space Shuttle Payload Bay having a discussion with TWO tethered US NASA Astronauts! I also observed on my monitors, the spacecraft of the ET as it was in a stabilized, safe orbit to the rear of the Space Shuttle main engine pods.I observed this incident for about one minute and seven seconds. Plenty of time to memorize all that I was observing.It WAS AN ET and Alien Star Ship!A friend of mine later contacted me and said that this person had also observed an 8 to 9 foot tall ET INSIDE the SPACE SHUTTLE CREW COMPARTMENT! Yes, inside OUR Shuttle! BOTH missions were DoD (Pentagon) TOP SECRET (TS) encounters!&nbsp;With my verifiable background, there is no Federal Government Agency that can say I am crazy!Full story here.&nbsp;I have a feeling that last sentence may be challenged by some, but we'll see. I believe Mr McClelland may have made other ET claims before.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Posted by Smersh</DIV><br /><br /><p>We need more astronauts coming forth publicly. Two NASA people won&rsquo;t be enough for the hardcore skeptics around here. What will the government do with Mitchell and McClelland? The rule was the Fed's&nbsp;code of silence must be observed or else.&nbsp; Obviously, these two guys have made statements that contradict the government&rsquo;s position about UFOs and ETs.&nbsp; Mitchell and McClelland make it clear the government has been lying to everybody for years.&nbsp;</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[centsworth_II]

<font color="#333399"><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Mitchell and McClelland make it clear the government has been lying to everybody for years.&nbsp; <br /> Posted by et_earth</DIV></font><br />A whistle blower needs actual evidence, not just their say so.&nbsp; Especially when dealing with encounters with fictional beings. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[Mee_n_Mac]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>We need more astronauts coming forth publicly. Two won&rsquo;t be enough for the hardcore skeptics around here. What will the government do with Mitchell and McClelland? The rule was the Fed's&nbsp;code of silence must be observed or else.&nbsp; Obviously, these two guys have made statements that contradict the government&rsquo;s position about UFOs and ETs.&nbsp; Mitchell and McClelland make it clear the government has been lying to everybody for years.&nbsp; <br />Posted by <strong>et_earth</strong></DIV><br /><br />Re: Mitchell - He's said what he's said before and amazingly he's still alive and talking. I note that, unlike McClelland, he hasn't claimed to seen ET himself, just that his (unnamed) sources have. I separate him from McClelland who is now either an outright liar (or nuts) or blowing the whistle and exposing the Gov't as the liar (wrt ETs).&nbsp; I can't find hard evidence as to&nbsp;which McClelland is&nbsp;but I suspect that McClelland, who seems to&nbsp;be trying to sell a book&nbsp;and a website pushing such&nbsp;and was a UFO enthusiast before his NASA career, might be a tad biased.&nbsp; Looking at his website I get the sense of someone making himself out to be more important than he was.&nbsp; I'll have to research some more to come to any conclusion.&nbsp; That he claims that Lt&nbsp;Onizuka (deceased w/Challenger, how convenient) told him that he saw alien bodies&nbsp;and that Story Musgrave admits (wink, wink) that he has seen ETs (contrary to Mr Musgrave's own words) makes me doubt his veracity in this new instance. I find it convenient that the mission is some secret military operation but he, with his known background, was allowed to witness the video. Naturally "we" can never see the tapes or interview people because it's all hush hush secret.&nbsp; Again convenient.</p><p>But you are correct in that we need more astronauts to come forth. If the "dam bursts" and we get a dozen verifiable people all telling the same story the lid will indeed have been blown off. I remain skeptical but will rejoice should I ever see that day.</p><p>&nbsp;</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p>-----------------------------------------------------</p><p><font color="#ff0000">Ask not what your Forum Software can do do on you,</font></p><p><font color="#ff0000">Ask it to, please for the love of all that's Holy, <strong>STOP</strong> !</font></p> </div>

 

[charlton11]

<p>Just read the frist sentence of the "quote" attributed to him:</p><p><font size="2">"<font color="#993300">I, Clark C. McClelland</font>, former ScO, Space Shuttle Fleet, personally observed an 8 to 9 foot tall ET on <font color="#993300">his</font> 27 inch video monitors"</font></p><p>I can be a bit cynical, but not enough that I would believe that a highly-trained and well-educated (by Earth standards)&nbsp;NASA resource&nbsp;would write a quote starting in the first-person then switching, mid-sentence, to the third-person.</p><p>Shenanigans.</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#0000ff">_______________________________________________________</font></p><p><font color="#0000ff">You are reading this right now.</font></p> </div>

 

[a_lost_packet_]

<p>From the link:</p><p><em>"...The ET was standing upright in the Space Shuttle Payload Bay having a discussion with TWO tethered US NASA Astronauts! ..."</em></p><p>It mustn't have been an exceptionally breezy day in space for the Astronauts to hear the ET over all that wind....</p><p><em>"I also observed on my monitors, the spacecraft of the ET as it was in a stabilized, safe orbit to the rear of the Space Shuttle main engine pods..."</em></p><p>Bad place to park. </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>I want evidence.&nbsp; Give me credible evidence and I'll back him up 110%.&nbsp; Unfortunately, even for an esteemed former Astronaut, someone's "word on it" isn't going to be enough. </p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <font size="1">I put on my robe and wizard hat...</font> </div>

 

[Smersh]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>A whistle blower needs actual evidence, not just their say so.&nbsp; Especially when dealing with encounters with fictional beings. <br /> Posted by centsworth_II</DIV></p><p>It would certainly be very helpful for whistleblowers to have hard evidence, I agree. Short of smuggling out and leaking some classified documents or video footage though, I don't really know what evidence they can give. &nbsp;</p><p>As others have mentioned, the more former astronauts that back up Mitchell and McClelland's claims, the more believable they will be. The only other former astronaut I can think of (NASA astronaut anyway, I'm not sure about Russian or other space agencies,) that have made claims is the late Gordon Cooper, but I believe he only claimed to have had a UFO sighting whilst flying an aeroplane.</p><p>He did say the following though:&nbsp;</p><p><strong><font color="#000080">"There certainly have been too many people, very qualified people and qualified groups of people, that have had interface of one type or another with extraterrestrial craft or beings," Cooper said. "To really deny that something is going on and deny that they definitely existwe need a little more explanation."&nbsp;</font></strong></p><p><strong>http://www.space.com/news/spaceagencies/gordon_ufos_000728.html&nbsp;</strong></p><p>Even if Neil, Buzz or some of the other former astronauts were to come out with claims, they still would not be able to produce any hard evidence, as far as I can see. It would make the claims by the others more believeable though. &nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <h1 style="margin:0pt;font-size:12px">----------------------------------------------------- </h1><p><font color="#800000"><em>Lady Nancy Astor: "Winston, if you were my husband, I'd poison your tea."<br />Churchill: "Nancy, if you were my wife, I'd drink it."</em></font></p><p><font color="#0000ff"><strong>Website / forums </strong></font></p> </div>

 

[et_earth]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>From the link:"...The ET was standing upright in the Space Shuttle Payload Bay having a discussion with TWO tethered US NASA Astronauts! ..."It mustn't have been an exceptionally breezy day in space for the Astronauts to hear the ET over all that wind...."I also observed on my monitors, the spacecraft of the ET as it was in a stabilized, safe orbit to the rear of the Space Shuttle main engine pods..."Bad place to park. &nbsp;I want evidence.&nbsp; Give me credible evidence and I'll back him up 110%.&nbsp; Unfortunately, even for an esteemed former Astronaut, someone's "word on it" isn't going to be enough. <br />Posted by a_lost_packet_</DIV></p><p>You&rsquo;re correct and I agree, we do need evidence. </p><p>I do believe the government is trying to keep a lid on UFOs and the possibly ensuing rampant speculation, consequently, causing a stampede or something? &nbsp;<img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/content/scripts/tinymce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-wink.gif" border="0" alt="Wink" title="Wink" /></p><p>&nbsp;</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[Smersh]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>You&rsquo;re correct and I agree, we do need evidence. I do believe the government is trying to keep a lid on UFOs and the possibly ensuing rampant speculation, consequently, causing a stampede or something? &nbsp;&nbsp; <br /> Posted by et_earth</DIV></p><p>The consequences of full dislosure about ET visitation / contact (if that's a fact,) would be enormous. Religious beliefs, all around the world, would quite possibly be thrown into disarray. Culture would be affected. People might panic and many might commit suicide.&nbsp;</p><p>Some ufologists are of the view that what we are seeing at the moment, re the recent Larry King shows, the statement by the Vatican astronomer about ET, the claims by the former astronauts and all the reports that are hitting the media at the moment, may be part of a "gradual disclosure process," to gently get people used to the idea without it coming all as one big shock. &nbsp;</p><p>It's also believed by some that movies such as Close Encounters, Independence Day etc and all the childrens cartoons and programmes containing aliens may be part of that process. Personally, I'm not sure about that, but there are some with that view.&nbsp;</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <h1 style="margin:0pt;font-size:12px">----------------------------------------------------- </h1><p><font color="#800000"><em>Lady Nancy Astor: "Winston, if you were my husband, I'd poison your tea."<br />Churchill: "Nancy, if you were my wife, I'd drink it."</em></font></p><p><font color="#0000ff"><strong>Website / forums </strong></font></p> </div>

 

[a_lost_packet_]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>The consequences of full dislosure about ET visitation / contact (if that's a fact,) would be enormous. Religious beliefs, all around the world, would quite possibly be thrown into disarray. Culture would be affected. People might panic and many might commit suicide....Posted by Smersh</DIV></p><p>Personally, I think that the speculation that has been done on that in the past is no longer valid.&nbsp; Was it the Condon Report that speculated on the disruption it would cause or was it "the other one" that I can't remember at the moment? </p><p>The Vatican has already stated it doesn't have any problem with the possibility of ETIs.&nbsp; Popular culture "admits" that ETs exist even if it argues whether or not they have visited here and to what extent they may have already interacted with us if so.&nbsp; ETs are already in our culture if only in fiction. Western society is fairly used to the concept of ETs.&nbsp; I can't speak for other cultures though. </p><p>If ANYONE would go bonkers over the revelation of ETs it would be the proponents and consumers of weird conspiracy theories, dastardly alien intervention and alien-sex rings.&nbsp; These people, the real fringe-groups, would loose their minds and could very well decide to ventilate their craniums with a lead-injection.&nbsp; But, most of them aren't "stacked" very well to begin with. </p><p>Your average "Joe" in Western society would say "Wow!&nbsp; That's amazing!" and then start wondering about the possibilities, good and bad.&nbsp; Your average nutjob would be inspired to do even more nutty things.&nbsp; There is where the real problem lies, IMO.</p><p>People who have a firm grip on reality, whether they are religious or not, believe in UFO=ET or not, would not be a concern.&nbsp; Those that don't would be a real concern. </p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <font size="1">I put on my robe and wizard hat...</font> </div>

 

[et_earth]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>A whistle blower needs actual evidence, not just their say so.&nbsp; Especially when dealing with encounters with fictional beings. <br />Posted by centsworth_II</DIV></p><p>This was posted before on a SETi thread and I'll apply it here.</p><p>This is an excerpt from a witness on the subject of the O&rsquo;Hare UFO incident:</p><p>&ldquo;We could see a few other rats staring up at the hole and everyone was talking about it for a few days. <em><font color="#0000ff">Then the sups came and talked to all of us that we cant talk about this to anyone or we'd get fired. They said something about federal regulations and unauthorized reporting of false airspace breeches. </font><br /><font color="#0000ff">Last week, the sups came down again and reminded everyone about the regulations.</font> </em>Thats what made me think theres more to the story so I started searching online. I play pool with a buddy who told me about this website chat room so here I am.&rdquo;</p><u><font color="#0000ff"><p><u><font color="#0000ff">http://www.ufoevidence.org/Cases/CaseSubarticle.asp?ID=1043</font></u></p></font></u><p>It seems there is evidence of a cover-up at the federal level through regulations that impede the reporting of UFOs; keeping a lid on it. Evidently, pilots and airline workers are pressured by the federal government into staying silent. The government is attempting to deny its citizens the facts about UFOs, by suppressing witnesses who are within their control. Nobody is going to get to the facts with this type of policy in place. Apparently, airline workers at O&rsquo;Hare couldn&rsquo;t talk about the weather on this particular date Tuesday November 7, 2006 without fear of retribution. (Weather phenomena was the explanation given, wasn&rsquo;t it?) I wonder if the O&rsquo;Hare UFO witnesses are still being held hostage by the system? Are you feeling free if you disagree? </p><p>The main contention coming from skeptics is &ldquo;where is the evidence&rdquo;? Well, I see the government is lending a hand through their regulations, thereby, making it tough getting evidence.&nbsp;The O'Hare incident&nbsp;must have been an airspace breech or why threaten to fire somebody because of talking about it?</p><p><br /><br />&nbsp;</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[a_lost_packet_]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>..The O'Hare incident&nbsp;must have been an airspace breech or why threaten to fire somebody because of talking about it? Posted by et_earth</DIV></p><p>Well, they did say "<em><font color="#0000ff">They said something about federal regulations and unauthorized reporting of false airspace breeches." &nbsp;</font></em></p><p>Which would mean that reporting something that didn't actually occur would be against regulations.&nbsp; Although, I don't know what an "Authorized Report of a False Airspace Breech" would be. &nbsp; I take it that was just a mixup in wordspeak.&nbsp; Otherwise, the topic takes a whole knew twist and becomes interestingerish...</p><p>However, I would very much agree that there are regulations which make investigating such things more difficult.&nbsp; Some of these may just be practical and safe regulations that happen to have an impact on an investigation conducted by "outsiders."</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <font size="1">I put on my robe and wizard hat...</font> </div>

 

[et_earth]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Well, they did say "They said something about federal regulations and unauthorized reporting of false airspace breeches." &nbsp;Which would mean that reporting something that didn't actually occur would be against regulations.&nbsp; Although, I don't know what an "Authorized Report of a False Airspace Breech" would be. &nbsp; I take it that was just a mixup in wordspeak.&nbsp; Otherwise, the topic takes a whole knew twist and becomes interestingerish...However, I would very much agree that there are regulations which make investigating such things more difficult.&nbsp; Some of these may just be practical and safe regulations that happen to have an impact on an investigation conducted by "outsiders." <br />Posted by a_lost_packet_</DIV></p><p>I have flown into O&rsquo;Hare a few times in my lifetime and I can&rsquo;t remember a time when we didn&rsquo;t circle the airport for 30 minutes or more. There must have been a few jets circling the airport at the time of the incident, however, we will never know what any of the pilots may have happen to have seen? Thanks to the Fed and its gag orders. It seems UFO skeptics are having their cake and eating it too.</p><p>&nbsp;</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[a_lost_packet_]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>I have flown into O&rsquo;Hare a few times in my lifetime and I can&rsquo;t remember a time when we didn&rsquo;t circle the airport for 30 minutes or more. There must have been a few jets circling the airport at the time of the incident, however, we will never know what any of the pilots may have happen to have seen? Thanks to the Fed and its gag orders. It seems UFO skeptics are having their cake and eating it too.&nbsp; <br /> Posted by et_earth</DIV></p><p>Well, arc2's NARCAP published a report on it and posted the link here somewhere.&nbsp; There is first-hand account information within it.</p><p>http://www.narcap.org/ </p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <font size="1">I put on my robe and wizard hat...</font> </div>

 

[et_earth]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Well, arc2's NARCAP published a report on it and posted the link here somewhere.&nbsp; There is first-hand account information within it.http://www.narcap.org/ <br />Posted by a_lost_packet_</DIV><br /><br />Thanks for the link, I'll check it out.</p><p>&nbsp;</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[a_lost_packet_]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Thanks for the link, I'll check it out.&nbsp; <br /> Posted by et_earth</DIV></p><p>Np man.</p><p>He posted a link to the actual report somewhere in here.&nbsp; A search may reveal it.&nbsp; Otherwise, hunting through NARCAP's site may be in order. </p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <font size="1">I put on my robe and wizard hat...</font> </div>

 

[silylene old]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Looks like we're seeing another detrimental effect of long term space flight.&nbsp; The cross country drive by one astronaut&nbsp; to 'talk' with her romantic rival put to rest the "I'm an astronaut so I can't be crazy" argument. <br />Posted by centsworth_II</DIV></p><p>Indeed, cosmic rays can cause brain damage, though usually in a much longer flight than a shuttle trip.&nbsp; Perhaps this <strong>e</strong>arly-<strong>o</strong>nset&nbsp;<strong>s</strong>pace <strong>d</strong>ementia needs a new name (EOSD ?&nbsp;&nbsp; can someone come up with a better name?).&nbsp;</p><p>http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/03/060322174351.htm</p><p><font color="#800000">Recent research, performed by Frank Cucinotta and colleagues, showed that iron-nuclei radiation (a chief component of cosmic rays) does indeed damage the telomeres of human cells: reference.</font></p><p><font color="#800000">To prove this, they exposed laboratory dishes containing a kind of human blood cell called lymphocytes to beams of both iron nuclei and gamma rays. Until recently, such a thorough analysis of telomere damage would have been prohibitively time consuming. But a new cell-staining technique called RxFISH (Rainbow cross-species Fluorescence In Situ Hybridization) allowed Cucinotta and his colleagues to look at many telomeres simultaneously.</font></p><p><font color="#800000">"We had this surprising result that iron particles are much more damaging to telomeres than gamma rays," Cucinotta says. He suggests that this difference might be due to the wider path of damage caused by iron nuclei. Telomere strands wrap into elongated loops, like little knots on the ends of chromosomes. Gamma rays can only strike one side of these loops or the other, but iron nuclei can affect both sides at the same time, inflicting lasting damage on the telomere&mdash;possibly causing its complete deletion. This explanation is still speculative, however.</font></p><p><font color="#800000">For example, astronauts who have had the greatest exposure to space radiation, such as the Apollo astronauts who traveled to the Moon, tend to get cataracts about 7 years earlier than other astronauts, on average. Cataracts are a common symptom of aging.</font></p><p><font color="#800000">Of greater concern is possible aging of the brain and spinal cord. Experiments with rats have shown that brain tissue is vulnerable to "aging" by iron-nuclei radiation--this according to research by Jim Joseph of Tufts University and Bernie Rabin at the University of Maryland. (See references below.)</font></p><p>http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn7753&nbsp;"</p><h5><font color="#800000">Serious brain damage</font></h5><p><font color="#800000">The study's lead author, the FAA's Wallace Friedberg, highlights other work suggesting that heavy nuclei in cosmic radiation cause "serious brain damage" in mice, leading to memory loss. ""</font></p><p>http://cosmic.lbl.gov/more/spacetravel.html</p><p><font color="#800000">Working at the Bevalac, scientists would use cell cultures and animal models to assess the biological consequences of exposures to the different particles that are components of the space radiation environment.<br /><br />In the past, risk has been estimated by dosage, a measure that gives little insight into the precise, long-term health effects when low doses are involved. Researchers say they can improve on this approach and intend to develop detailed knowledge able to pinpoint the damage that can be caused by even a single particle.<br /><br />Research would also be conducted on measures to counter radiation. When the charged particles (also known as ions) of heavy elements encounter a spacecraft, they are not stopped in their tracks. Instead, they either pass through, slowed but with their energy largely intact, or hit other ions and shatter into a shower of fragments. As heavy ions and their fragments pass through humans, damaging interactions can occur.<br /></font></p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature" align="center"><em><font color="#0000ff">- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -</font></em> </div><div class="Discussion_UserSignature" align="center"><font color="#0000ff"><em>I really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function.</em></font> </div> </div>

 

[Smersh]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Well, arc2's NARCAP published a report on it and posted the link here somewhere.&nbsp; There is first-hand account information within it.http://www.narcap.org/ <br /> Posted by a_lost_packet_</DIV></p><p>Thanks a lot for posting that report ALP. I did read through quite a bit of it quite a while back.</p><p> I hope arc2 can post again here (haven't seen him since the Dawn of Pluckdom. &nbsp;<img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/content/scripts/tinymce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-frown.gif" border="0" alt="Frown" title="Frown" /> &nbsp; )</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <h1 style="margin:0pt;font-size:12px">----------------------------------------------------- </h1><p><font color="#800000"><em>Lady Nancy Astor: "Winston, if you were my husband, I'd poison your tea."<br />Churchill: "Nancy, if you were my wife, I'd drink it."</em></font></p><p><font color="#0000ff"><strong>Website / forums </strong></font></p> </div>

 

[a_lost_packet_]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Thanks a lot for posting that report ALP. I did read through quite a bit of it quite a while back. I hope arc2 can post again here (haven't seen him since the Dawn of Pluckdom. &nbsp; &nbsp; ) <br /> Posted by Smersh</DIV></p><p>I'm sure he'll stop by again.&nbsp; He goes absent for long periods now but generally manages to show up and give us an update when there is something really interesting out there.&nbsp; I think he lurks a little from time-to-time as well, IIRC.</p><p>So, arc2, if you're out there: <wave> </p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <font size="1">I put on my robe and wizard hat...</font> </div>

 

[et_earth]

Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Thanks a lot for posting that report ALP. I did read through quite a bit of it quite a while back. I hope arc2 can post again here (haven't seen him since the Dawn of Pluckdom.) <br />Posted by Smersh</DIV><br /><br /><p>Here is a link to the O&rsquo;Hare UAP narcap.org report. It&rsquo;s a 5.82 MB PDF file. http://www.narcap.org/reports/010/TR10_Case_18a.pdf</p><p>This&nbsp;is the answer to my question about other pilots waiting to land at O'Hare during the time of the incident and anything they <font color="#333333">may</font> have observed: <font color="#333333">"<em>There is a definite possibility that pilots for a major airline saw this UAP during their approach to ORD that afternoon. However, this possibility has not been confirmed as of the publication of this report."</em></font></p><p><font color="#333333">p.s. who knows, perhaps a pilot will come forward one day after retirement and verify he too observed the UAP/UFO while circling O'Hare waiting to land and add to the eye witness accounts.</font></p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[JonClarke]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>We need more astronauts coming forth publicly.&nbsp; <br />Posted by et_earth</DIV></p><p>McCelland is not an astronaut.&nbsp; </p><p>And yes, it is another unverified andd unverifiable claim.&nbsp; An alien seen on an unspecified but secret shuttle mission,&nbsp; Right......<br /></p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em>Whether we become a multi-planet species with unlimited horizons, or are forever confined to Earth will be decided in the twenty-first century amid the vast plains, rugged canyons and lofty mountains of Mars</em>  Arthur Clarke</p> </div>

 

[Oldworlder]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>The consequences of full dislosure about ET visitation / contact (if that's a fact,) would be enormous. Religious beliefs, all around the world, would quite possibly be thrown into disarray. Culture would be affected. People might panic and many might commit suicide.&nbsp;Some ufologists are of the view that what we are seeing at the moment, re the recent Larry King shows, the statement by the Vatican astronomer about ET, the claims by the former astronauts and all the reports that are hitting the media at the moment, may be part of a "gradual disclosure process," to gently get people used to the idea without it coming all as one big shock. &nbsp;It's also believed by some that movies such as Close Encounters, Independence Day etc and all the childrens cartoons and programmes containing aliens may be part of that process. Personally, I'm not sure about that, but there are some with that view.&nbsp; <br />Posted by Smersh</DIV></p><p><font size="2">I've been having similar thoughts about it.</font></p>

 

[Oldworlder]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>It would certainly be very helpful for whistleblowers to have hard evidence, I agree. Short of smuggling out and leaking some classified documents or video footage though, I don't really know what evidence they can give. &nbsp;As others have mentioned, the more former astronauts that back up Mitchell and McClelland's claims, the more believable they will be. The only other former astronaut I can think of (NASA astronaut anyway, I'm not sure about Russian or other space agencies,) that have made claims is the late Gordon Cooper, but I believe he only claimed to have had a UFO sighting whilst flying an aeroplane.He did say the following though:&nbsp;"There certainly have been too many people, very qualified people and qualified groups of people, that have had interface of one type or another with extraterrestrial craft or beings," Cooper said. "To really deny that something is going on and deny that they definitely existwe need a little more explanation."&nbsp;http://www.space.com/news/spaceagencies/gordon_ufos_000728.htmlEven if Neil, Buzz or some of the other former astronauts were to come out with claims, they still would not be able to produce any hard evidence, as far as I can see. It would make the claims by the others more believeable though. &nbsp;&nbsp; <br />Posted by Smersh</DIV></p><p><font size="2">Good points!</font></p><p><font size="2">I am&nbsp;still thinking, though,&nbsp;that some will be skeptical even if seeing a real ET - they will then say that they saw remote-controlled robots of some sort...</font></p>

 

[et_earth]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>McCelland is not an astronaut.&nbsp; And yes, it is another unverified andd unverifiable claim.&nbsp; An alien seen on an unspecified but secret shuttle mission,&nbsp; Right...... <br />Posted by jonclarke</DIV><br /><br />Yes, McCelland is not an astronaut, so?&nbsp; </p><p>Is your post an attempt to discredit or dishonor such a dedicated and loyal person as McClelland without a fact in your hand?&nbsp; Possibly a way to slander the man?&nbsp; He can't prove it and you can't disprove it.&nbsp;&nbsp;Nonetheless,&nbsp;you're promoting the Fed policy of cover-up and denial; maybe all McClelland did was confess.</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>