Could a ship like this exist?

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Solifugae

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It's designed to allow the violent elements of society to live in their own floating nation in which they are free without law to act out their whims. Many of the passengers would be inmates who choose banishment from their own nation. Many would be people from society who make the choice out of some idea of freedom from law. Many psychopaths who wish to be able to do to others as they wish. Other insane elements will be filled with joy at the thought of the many mutants, robotics, and dangerous labyrinths filled with mysteries and death. To these people, to live without law is the true measure of liberty.

But is such a dark dream possible? :?

Well, for starters it will need to be BIG. The rough example has it at over 5.5km long, 1km tall, and nearly that wide. It would be displacing many millions of tonnes of water, and require VAST amounts of material to construct. Using genetically modified bacteria, which will require significant sources of carbon, the hull will be a weaved single piece, as perfect as possible down, with a molecular structure that qualifies it as a "Super Carbon". This will ensure that the ship is as tough as it can possibly be while maintaining a light structure (allowing the hull in addition to be very thick). The real wonder of this method of construction is that in the course of wear and tear, the bacteria can repair the ship's hull.

The bacterial colonies will also provide large quantities of hydrogen to help with buoyancy. They could even in someway be used as a food source. However, most of the food will come from targeting specific species of fish (we have to maintain environmental standards) using many thousands of electric tentacles, which will transfer fish to the automated AI food dispensaries, which will make food freely available. It's not all fishfood though - special gardens will procure food, most of them isolated from the inmates.

Such automation will be achieved via sophistic AI, which can adapt to pressures while maintaining its primary objectives.
It will dredge the sea for sources of oil and other resources, with a series of more massive tentacles. It will respond to attack if need be, by intercontinental missile technology, as well as incorporating toxic elements as a method of attack.
It will also be able to send small drone ships out for scouting purposes. The ship can easily dump large quantities of material into the sea - a "landslide" capable of creating tsunami.

The ships propulsion will come from a vast series of turbine nacelles along the ship, as well as a special event hydrogen booster which produce enough thrust to stir things up a little. The enormous electrical requirements for the ships systems should come from an advanced fusion generator.

Anarchos Libertaria will contain many wonders to enrapture a warped mind. It will have 100 floors divided into 10 floors around a central plaza - of this there will be 10 levels. Many curious electronic ghosts, many demons, many mutated horrors will be available for maximum satisfaction, and the AI-bacteria system will constantly be able to rearrange and reorder the ship's workings. There will be many labyrinths filled with stakes, bombs, staircases to nowhere, chimps wearing diapers, all sorts of the wondrous, inexplicable things that fill our daily lives. There will be centrifuges of death and temples to the old Gods, steeped in artificial and perverse mystique in their own twisted charm. This ship will be the home and tomb of 6 million people per generation. A floating country of chaos and nonsense.

Okay, so what are the technological setbacks, never mind the economic ones? Nonetheless, I intend to have such a thing via 2500. A service life of 500 years will end gracefully after the procurement of a 1 Teraton device to go out with a celebratory bang for the Year Three Thousand. Ah.

Well, if that doesn't work, my back up proposal is a 10km Force Octahedron with magnetically induced tumbling action for much G-force related fun.
 
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Just launch them into space with the space cannon. It's like a macabre Wheel of Destiny:

1)upon liftoff, the 5000 Gs exerted upon your body make you go squish.

2)the capsule escapes Earth's pull, travels forever in a random away-from-earth direction

3)the capsule doesn't escape Earth's pull, tumbles back to earth in a fiery blaze
 
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How would you tell the bacteria where to grow and where not to?
You would more likely end up with an irregular lump of goo than with a complicated structure such as a ship.
Bacteria producing hydrogen? :?

Why would anybody who builds it make it capable of destroying the maker (himself) with a nuclear weapons or a tsunami? (BTW, to start a tsunami you would need much more energy than a landslide can provide, and even than technically it wouldn't be a tsunami).

Giant tentacles?

1 Teraton device?
Largest nuclear bomb ever created was the Tsar Bomba and it was a 50 megatons device or 20 000 times less than 1 teraton. Why would you want such a big explosion anyway? Couldn't you just sink the ship? Why would you destroy it in the first place?
 
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Shpaget":2x7oggc7 said:
How would you tell the bacteria where to grow and where not to?
You would more likely end up with an irregular lump of goo than with a complicated structure such as a ship.

I have to assume that we have unlocked the same secret of self-organizing that is evolved in the human embryo.

Bacteria producing hydrogen? :?

I guess they would extract it from sea water, leaving behind oxygen and useful salts.

to start a tsunami you would need much more energy than a landslide can provide

But landslides do start Tsunamis.

Giant tentacles?

Why not? It could happen. :lol:

1 Teraton device?
Largest nuclear bomb ever created was the Tsar Bomba and it was a 50 megatons device or 20 000 times less than 1 teraton. Why would you want such a big explosion anyway? Couldn't you just sink the ship? Why would you destroy it in the first place?

Why climb Mount Everest? For the lulz.
 
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Big waves caused by landslides don't live long enough on open sea to pose any danger.
 
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A few years ago I saw a program on the Discovery Channel about a proposal to build a super large ship that would have permanent residents. It would travel around the world spending most of it's time in various ports of call. It was proposed to be big enough to have a small airfield for light planes and be mostly self sufficient. As far as housing the rejects of the world I don't think they deserve such an environment.
 
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StarRider1701

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I agree with bdwoody, why give the misfits and rejects ofthe planet such a luxurious environment?
What you've proposed has been proposed and even tried before. Coventry, a story by Robert Heinlein proposed sending criminals (and anyone else who wanted to go there) into a large confinement area where they could take with them whatever they wished. Neat story, read it sometime.
Rather than a huge (unbuildable) ship, why not pick an island and dump all the unwanteds there to live or not?
Oh yeah, thats been tried too! By England. The place was called Botany Bay but now its called Australia and by all accounts its a pretty good place to live!

The main drawback to a ship would be that somebody responsible would have to crew it. You would have to build certian sections of it that were cut off from the rest. Engine compartments, powerplant, helm just to name a few where the maniacs and rejects couldn't get to otherwise they'd screw it up before the ship traveled its own length!!! And you wouldn't have to sink it, your passengers would do that the moment one of them figured out how!
Your idea has some merit, but it would be better off on land (as in Coventry) where you wouldn't need to maintain such a complex peice of machinery like your supership. Maybe you could talk some country into giving you about 10 sq kilometers of land that you could then build a nice big wall around. It would have to have plenty of water, food plants and game...
 
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Least we forget, one of the original thirteen colonies of the USA was set up as a penal colony. The State of Georgia was originally a penal colony. One of the problems we face today is the whole world has been explored and settled or re-settled and there's no place for the rejects to run to or be sent to. I'm sure that someone is already planning to set up penal colonies on the moon or Mars or one of the moons of Jupiter or Saturn. The ideal excape proof prison ( as long as they don't have the capability to build their own space vehicles).
 
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bdewoody":2odfdl2a said:
Least we forget, one of the original thirteen colonies of the USA was set up as a penal colony. The State of Georgia was originally a penal colony. ...

Hold on der a sec! We wasn't no criminals! We was "Consheenshus Objectifiers of the Leegal Sistem!" It's dem dam Yankees what started callin us names an such! We Objectified to his Kingship's Justicators an dey sent us to dis here swamp...

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^^^^^^^ :lol: :lol: :lol: too funny, lost :lol: :lol: :lol: ^^^^^^^

Although, If I was gonna pick a place for a penal colony, I would have guessed West (By God) Virginia.

Did you know that during the Gulf War, Saddam did launch one Skud missile at the USofA? Yeah, it hit West Virginia and did 10 Million Dollars worth of improvements!!!
 
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StarRider1701":1lti7pk2 said:
^^^^^^^ :lol: :lol: :lol: too funny, lost :lol: :lol: :lol: ^^^^^^^

Although, If I was gonna pick a place for a penal colony, I would have guessed West (By God) Virginia.

Did you know that during the Gulf War, Saddam did launch one Skud missile at the USofA? Yeah, it hit West Virginia and did 10 Million Dollars worth of improvements!!!
Now a history lesson. West Virginia was part of Virginia until the outbreak of the Civil War. The citizens of the counties that now make up west Virginia decided they would stay with the North. From what I've seen of West Virginia while passing through I've got to agree with your second point. :roll:
 
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bdewoody":aafg72kj said:
One of the problems we face today is the whole world has been explored and settled or re-settled and there's no place for the rejects to run to or be sent to.

Most of Earth has been explored, yes. But there are still many wilderness places left on our planet, especially on the African and S. American continents. It shouldn't be too hard to find a country willing to sell or lease a nice big hunk of land for such use.

I'm sure that someone is already planning to set up penal colonies on the moon or Mars or one of the moons of Jupiter or Saturn. The ideal excape proof prison ( as long as they don't have the capability to build their own space vehicles).

Prison colony on the moon, The Moon is a Harsh Mistress Heinlein again! Hey, maybe this Heinlein guy might have been a pretty good story teller! Not to mention prognosticator. :lol: :lol: :lol:

But the point is there are far cheaper and more practical ways of doing it than building the largest, most expensive ship on the planet just to make a floating prison colony. As another poster pointed out, someone is trying to build the largest, most expensive ship on the planet to make it into a floating home/resort for the rich people of the world. Nobody is going to waste that much effort on the dregs of humanity.
 
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Solifugae

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Fine. Just make a really big wooden board with sealed barrels as flotation, get a couple of thousand criminals and nutters to stand on it, and then tow it out into the middle of the Pacific ocean. Leave it there.
 
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StarRider1701":xtp7xk6a said:
bdewoody":xtp7xk6a said:
One of the problems we face today is the whole world has been explored and settled or re-settled and there's no place for the rejects to run to or be sent to.

Most of Earth has been explored, yes. But there are still many wilderness places left on our planet, especially on the African and S. American continents. It shouldn't be too hard to find a country willing to sell or lease a nice big hunk of land for such use.

I'm sure that someone is already planning to set up penal colonies on the moon or Mars or one of the moons of Jupiter or Saturn. The ideal excape proof prison ( as long as they don't have the capability to build their own space vehicles).

Prison colony on the moon, The Moon is a Harsh Mistress Heinlein again! Hey, maybe this Heinlein guy might have been a pretty good story teller! Not to mention prognosticator. :lol: :lol: :lol:

But the point is there are far cheaper and more practical ways of doing it than building the largest, most expensive ship on the planet just to make a floating prison colony. As another poster pointed out, someone is trying to build the largest, most expensive ship on the planet to make it into a floating home/resort for the rich people of the world. Nobody is going to waste that much effort on the dregs of humanity.

A prison should be self-sustaining. A good example is Angola State Prison in Louisiana, commonly known as "The Farm". It's for the worst of the worst, on about 25,000 acres, surounded by the Mississippi River on three sides, not many escapees. Hard labor only, in the hot humid Lousiana sun, watched by big prison guards on horses with shotguns. Prisoners farm, by hand, the 25,000 acres all day, every day. On Angola pison lands, the prisoners grow enough food to feed themselves, and the surplus is then sold to largely subsidize the costs of the prison.
 
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