Did Earth Weight Increase since there was no Creation?

cutestars7 · Sep 6, 2006

I am very curious sometime that If the Earth weight increased since there was No creation and till today with too many creations and in huge numbers like animals, human beings etc etc, I believe Buildings etc did not add any weight to actual Earth Weight as this is like Placing One stone to another Place!!! right.!! ? Awaiting Answer Thanks!

plutocrass · Sep 6, 2006

MeteorWayne · Sep 6, 2006

If I understand what you are saying, all the creatures on earth were created from the elements already here, so there was no weiaght gain. Most of earth's weight gain is from the tons of meteor dust that fall to the planet each day. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id. I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function </div>

cutestars7 · Sep 6, 2006

land covers only 1/3 or the earth and what about 2/3 water creatures ? guess there was no water when earth was born ? Did water itself add any weight to Earth ?

MeteorWayne · Sep 6, 2006

Listen to what I am saying. Please <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /> Everything on earth has apparently been created from the material already on hand. Hence, so weight change for the earth. Dust in, some gases out. Mass turned into energy, energy radiated into space, some minor loss or gain. Most of these don't alter the weight of the earth much, but in any case are unrelated to your question, if I understand it. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id. I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function </div>

cutestars7 · Sep 6, 2006

instead of making any claims this time i wanted to learn from you guys.... why everybody is sleeping ... i am not satisfied with you reply i need at least 5 mods to reply on this and prove earth weight increased or decreased or stable since ever. Please teach me please please <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" />

cutestars7 · Sep 6, 2006

i actually meant If creatures are materil of the earth then there should be no weight increase as this is like placing one thing from one place to another ,,, if creatures like animals and human beings etc re from God then it should have increased the earth Weight ... when you say dust falling does that actually mean human being and creations falling from heaven to earth <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" /> before you underestimate this person you better estimate your own self <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" />

yevaud · Sep 6, 2006

Consider what's known as the Terminal Bombardment Phase (4.5 GY ago). It was a bombardment of Earth by a great deal of material, and much of it was H20 in the form of ice and other Hydrous material. So, yes, perhaps Earth did increase in mass at one point. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Differential Diagnosis: "I am both amused and annoyed that you think I should be less stubborn than you are." </div>

SpeedFreek · Sep 6, 2006

You pose an interesting question <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /> In modern history, the only additional weight added to the Earth comes from extra-terrestrial origins (meteorites etc). In the distant past when the Earth formed, there may have been water present at the planetesimal stage, along with carbon dioxide and other gases (it is theorised). Water may also have formed later during vulcanism. There is probably no single source of water on earth, but a combination of factors. There is also the possibility that the water at the planetesimal stage may have actually hung around in Earths orbit and was only "collected" by Earth when it reached a certain mass. So in this scenario the weight would have been added later, so to speak. But once the Earth was pretty much formed and cooled down then finally had oceans and land, any weight added would have come from space. We cannot say for sure that all the ingredients needed to make living organisms have been on Earth since it formed. Maybe some biological agent (microbes on comets perhaps) could have added something along the way. Or maybe life can form from the basic elements when subjected to the right conditions. Or maybe life will try to take hold anywhere it can in the Universe. Maybe there are simple organic compounds frozen in the ice of Europa, or in an icy crater on the dark side of mercury? But I digress... All the buildings and animals on Earth haven't added any weight to it, just the stuff that's falling on us from space has added weight. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> _______________________________________________ SpeedFreek </div>

nexium · Sep 6, 2006

The mass of Earth has increased perhaps 0.001% per billion years for the past 4 billion years, so the weight gain has been perhaps 0.0011% per billion years. Conclusion: Very little change, even in the amount of water. The water has likely been about half of the weight increase. The increasing number of human spirits accounts for very little of the weight increase (none if there are no spirits) The arrival of ET beings to Earth has added very little weight to Earth (none if no ET beings have arrrived) What happened more than 4 billion years ago is very speculative, but the weight increase was likely larger before 4 billion BCE. Neil

djtt · Sep 6, 2006

past the water part, nothing notable as is made clear above on a different note.. you are a weird fellow cute..

derekmcd · Sep 7, 2006

" The increasing number of human souls accounts for very little of the weight increase (none if there are no souls)" Population growth accounts for ZERO additional weight to the Earth. Cutestars7: The ONLY way Earth gains weight (mass) is from space debris... period, end of story. This link explains it in fairly simple terms. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <div> </div> <div>"If something's hard to do, then it's not worth doing." - Homer Simpson</div> </div>

eagledare · Sep 7, 2006

Yes it did increase substansially as the earth has grown to double its size in the last 70 million years. See my much debated and now dead post Expanding Earth under Everything else under (and above) the Sun.

nexium · Sep 7, 2006

Hi cutestars: Your wording is a bit confusing and some of the people that post here, crack up when they see the word 'creation', so if we have confused you, please ask again without using the word creation. Several experiments have been done to attempt to determine the mass of one human spirit (a better word than soul) Most of the results came out less than one ounce = 28 grams. If we figure an average mass of one gram and a population increase from 998 trillion spirits to 999 trillion spirits over the past 4 billion years, then the mass of Earth has increased by ten billion grams = 10 million kilograms = 10,000 metric tons, assuming these spirits arrive from off planet. While that seems like a lot, it is not much and is lost in much larger means by which Earth gains and loses mass, some of which likely are not known to mainstream science. When a mother gains weight before giving birth to a child, nearly all the weight gain is the result of increased food eaten by the mother, so this is like "Placing One stone to another Place" = the weight of Earth does not change except for the one gram which we can not account for with sufficient precision. This is not to say that I believe spirits arrive from off planet, but I am open minded about the possibility. Neil

askold · Sep 7, 2006

If the spirits arrive off planet, but remain here (the combination of heaven and hell) then the 10,000 metric tons should be split between heaven and hell. That's a lot of mass - we should be able to find it and so find heaven and hell.

yevaud · Sep 7, 2006

Perhaps... <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Differential Diagnosis: "I am both amused and annoyed that you think I should be less stubborn than you are." </div>

MeteorWayne · Sep 7, 2006

[sigh] <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id. I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function </div>

MeteorWayne · Sep 7, 2006

You must have one pile of great images on hand to use. Boneless chickens? It would take me an hour to find that. Of course, after seeing your picture in arit's thread, this guy could be a relative <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id. I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function </div>

yevaud · Sep 7, 2006

Pushing a thousand images handy. And I don't like Liver or Fava beans. <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Differential Diagnosis: "I am both amused and annoyed that you think I should be less stubborn than you are." </div>

killbill2 · Sep 7, 2006

If everything had to start at its own and had to go as planned then why in recent years of most technological period ever experienced by this Planet, some missions dont go as per Plan. Cloumbia Shutter diaster it was not planned to crash on re-entry so it did not go as per Plan. So it means we're 50% in Control of our Plan and who is sharing rest of the 50% Control? ---

yevaud · Sep 7, 2006

As they say at Harvard University, "Excrement Occurs." <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Differential Diagnosis: "I am both amused and annoyed that you think I should be less stubborn than you are." </div>

killbill2 · Sep 7, 2006

The actual Question was, Why can't we be 100% in control of our plans ? - Do we lack this ability ? so that means we're an imperfect creature - And we need help from evolution to turn human spiece to another suprior spiece which is error proof and every plan of them is accomplished with 100% success. I wish i could see that day when i have another specie making life better for us and themselves and we still work as their workforce. <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" /> instead of being kept in Zoo like we did with our forefathers Apes/Monkeys.

yevaud · Sep 7, 2006

We are not in control of our fates, and those who believe they are fully so are deluding themselves. You can be the most healthy, safety-minded, common-sense person imaginable, and then abruptly be run over by a Bus, without warning. That's the nature of life. There is no such thing as "100% safe," which many people seem to have forgotten - in direct reference to your comment as to the Shuttle and it's accidents. It's a statistical thing. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Differential Diagnosis: "I am both amused and annoyed that you think I should be less stubborn than you are." </div>

killbill2 · Sep 7, 2006

Well i had planned to be Sportsman instead today my fate made me a Businessperson--- it was not bus accident which changed my plan ? Does Science believe in Fate and destiney very curious ? What is the defination of Fate itself in the books of Science ? Who controls the Fate ? Fate must be under control by someone this is most important factor in our lives -- Science tells me human creates its own fate ? I guess Science did not create the Fate of Cloumbia Shuttle ?

yevaud · Sep 7, 2006

No, science did everything to make the Shuttle as safe and functional as humanly possible. But as I said, nothing will ever be 100% safe, and particularly involving something as complicated as the Shuttle, accidents will happen. Same with Humans. You can guide yourself to whatever things you might, because some things are in part under your control, but ultimately Fate makes a fool of us all. Small analogy. There is a story about Fate. A drowning man in the middle of the ocean cries out, "I exist!" "That," replied Fate, "does not place me under any obligation." <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Differential Diagnosis: "I am both amused and annoyed that you think I should be less stubborn than you are." </div>

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