Does our solar system spin on the same plane as the Milky Way, or is it skewed?

[BoJangles]

<p style="margin:0cm0cm10pt" class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">Here an interesting question, and will probably take someone in the know 2 seconds to answer. What is the solar systems spin plane (probably not the right terminology) compared that of the milk ways. </font></p><p style="margin:0cm0cm10pt" class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">I.e. Does our solar system spin on the same plane as the Milky Way, or is it skewed? And if so to what angle and what direction is the relation? </font></p><p style="margin:0cm0cm10pt" class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">Example, we might spin in the opposite direction and at 45 degree angle to the galactic plane</font></p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p align="center"><font color="#808080">-------------- </font></p><p align="center"><font size="1" color="#808080"><em>Let me start out with the standard disclaimer ... I am an idiot, I know almost nothing, I haven’t taken calculus, I don’t work for NASA, and I am one-quarter Bulgarian sheep dog.  With that out of the way, I have several stupid questions... </em></font></p><p align="center"><font size="1" color="#808080"><em>*** A few months blogging can save a few hours in research ***</em></font></p> </div>

 

[BoJangles]

<p style="margin:0cm0cm10pt" class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">Additionally what our most fundamental large scale reference frame we have, The CMB ?</font></p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p align="center"><font color="#808080">-------------- </font></p><p align="center"><font size="1" color="#808080"><em>Let me start out with the standard disclaimer ... I am an idiot, I know almost nothing, I haven’t taken calculus, I don’t work for NASA, and I am one-quarter Bulgarian sheep dog.  With that out of the way, I have several stupid questions... </em></font></p><p align="center"><font size="1" color="#808080"><em>*** A few months blogging can save a few hours in research ***</em></font></p> </div>

 

[derekmcd]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Here an interesting question, and will probably take someone in the know 2 seconds to answer. What is the solar systems spin plane (probably not the right terminology) compared that of the milk ways. I.e. Does our solar system spin on the same plane as the Milky Way, or is it skewed? And if so to what angle and what direction is the relation? Example, we might spin in the opposite direction and at 45 degree angle to the galactic plane <br /> Posted by Manwh0re</DIV></p><p>The plane of the ecliptic of the solar system is ~60 degrees compared to the galactic plane.&nbsp; I imagine if you add the Earth's 23 degrees and we are rotating about our axis at nearly 90 degrees.&nbsp;</p><p>http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/cms/astro/cosmos/G/Galactic+Plane</p><p>I couldn't find the source, but I recall reading a while back that they had more accurate measurements by how the solar system is plowing through the magnetic field.&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <div> </div><br /><div><span style="color:#0000ff" class="Apple-style-span">"If something's hard to do, then it's not worth doing." - Homer Simpson</span></div> </div>

 

[derekmcd]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Additionally what our most fundamental large scale reference frame we have, The CMB ? <br /> Posted by Manwh0re</DIV></p><p>I believe so.&nbsp;</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <div> </div><br /><div><span style="color:#0000ff" class="Apple-style-span">"If something's hard to do, then it's not worth doing." - Homer Simpson</span></div> </div>

 

[BoJangles]

<p>hrm interesting, i wonder what a survey of other star systems would show in relation to plane and spin. ie if there is some favoring towards the galactic plane, or whether its just random</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p align="center"><font color="#808080">-------------- </font></p><p align="center"><font size="1" color="#808080"><em>Let me start out with the standard disclaimer ... I am an idiot, I know almost nothing, I haven’t taken calculus, I don’t work for NASA, and I am one-quarter Bulgarian sheep dog.  With that out of the way, I have several stupid questions... </em></font></p><p align="center"><font size="1" color="#808080"><em>*** A few months blogging can save a few hours in research ***</em></font></p> </div>

 

[derekmcd]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>hrm interesting, i wonder what a survey of other star systems would show in relation to plane and spin. ie if there is some favoring towards the galactic plane, or whether its just random <br /> Posted by Manwh0re</DIV></p><p>I imagine over several billion years worth of perturbations, it would be rather random showing no real preference.&nbsp; I'm only guessing though.&nbsp;</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <div> </div><br /><div><span style="color:#0000ff" class="Apple-style-span">"If something's hard to do, then it's not worth doing." - Homer Simpson</span></div> </div>

 

[3488]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'><font color="#ff0000">The plane of the ecliptic of the solar system is ~60 degrees compared to the galactic plane.&nbsp; I imagine if you add the Earth's 23 degrees and we are rotating about our axis at nearly 90 degrees.<font color="#000080">&nbsp;http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/cms/astro/cosmos/G/Galactic+Plane</font>I couldn't find the source, but I recall reading a while back that they had more accurate measurements by how the solar system is plowing through the magnetic field.&nbsp;&nbsp; <br /> Posted by derekmcd</font></DIV></p><p><strong><font size="2">Hi Derek, you are more or less spot on. &nbsp;</font></strong></p><p><strong><font size="2">The planets Mars & Neptune both have their polar points pointing at the galactic plane. They ARE on their sides in relation to the Milky Way.&nbsp;</font></strong></p><p>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'><font color="#ff0000">I imagine over several billion years worth of perturbations, it would be rather random showing no real preference.&nbsp; I'm only guessing though.&nbsp; <br /> Posted by derekmcd</font></DIV></p><p><font size="2"><strong>Yes I thinks so too Derek.</strong></font></p><p><font size="2"><strong>It is IMO a random event & is soething that will continue to alter over vast periods of time into the future. Our own solar system has had close approaches to other stars, black holes, passed through nebulae, etc, so it's no wonder that the orientation is a bit skewy. I think the Earth is currently tilted approx 62 degrees to the Galactic Plane, though at times during the 25,800 year precessional cycle, the Earth too is on its side, like Mars & Neptune IRT the Milky Way.</strong></font></p><p><font size="4" color="#000080">Mars North Celestial Pole. </font><br /> <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/13/8/4deb5d20-4a0f-49bd-a886-6ee25c58efd7.Medium.gif" alt="" /></p><p><font color="#000080"><br /><font size="4">Neptune North Celestial Pole. </font></font><br /><img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/2/10/e2d0819f-1407-4a4b-8a8e-60c6d8f96fc4.Medium.gif" alt="" /><br /><br /><font size="2"><strong>Andrew Brown.&nbsp;</strong></font></p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080">"I suddenly noticed an anomaly to the left of Io, just off the rim of that world. It was extremely large with respect to the overall size of Io and crescent shaped. It seemed unbelievable that something that big had not been visible before".</font> <em><strong><font color="#000000">Linda Morabito </font></strong><font color="#800000">on discovering that the Jupiter moon Io was volcanically active. Friday 9th March 1979.</font></em></p><p><font size="1" color="#000080">http://www.launchphotography.com/</font><br /><br /><font size="1" color="#000080">http://anthmartian.googlepages.com/thisislandearth</font></p><p><font size="1" color="#000080">http://web.me.com/meridianijournal</font></p> </div>

 

[Boris_Badenov]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Here an interesting question, and will probably take someone in the know 2 seconds to answer. What is the solar systems spin plane (probably not the right terminology) compared that of the milk ways. I.e. Does our solar system spin on the same plane as the Milky Way, or is it skewed? And if so to what angle and what direction is the relation? Example, we might spin in the opposite direction and at 45 degree angle to the galactic plane <br />Posted by Manwh0re</DIV></p><p><font size="2">The Sol System is nearly standing nearly&nbsp;on edge in relation to the Galactic Plane. The South Pole points in the general direction of the Galactic Center during the summer months (it's off by about 20%). It is in the Teapot Constellation. </font></p><p><font size="2">&nbsp;Here is a graphic that explains it better.</font><font size="2"> </font></p><font size="2">&nbsp;Edit: This &nbsp;poster is on the wall of my office. It would answer many questions you have about the Sol System, the Galaxy & Space Phenomena in general.</font><font size="2"> <p>&nbsp;</p></font> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <font color="#993300"><span class="body"><font size="2" color="#3366ff"><div align="center">. </div><div align="center">Never roll in the mud with a pig. You'll both get dirty & the pig likes it.</div></font></span></font> </div>

 

[MeteorWayne]

Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>The Sol System is nearly standing nearly&nbsp;on edge in relation to the Galactic Plane. The South Pole points in the general direction of the Galactic Center during the summer months (it's off by about 20%). It is in the Teapot Constellation. &nbsp;Here is a graphic that explains it better. &nbsp;Edit: This &nbsp;poster is on the wall of my office. It would answer many questions you have about the Sol System, the Galaxy & Space Phenomena in general. &nbsp; <br />Posted by boris1961</DIV><br /><br />Technically, the Teapot is an <em>asterism</em> in the constellation Sagitttarius. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080"><em><font color="#000000">But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id.</font></em> </font></p><p><font color="#000080">I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function</font><font color="#000080"> </font></p> </div>

 

[Boris_Badenov]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Technically, the Teapot is an asterism in the constellation Sagitttarius. <br />Posted by MeteorWayne</DIV></p><p><font size="2">Picky, picky.</font> <br /><img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/0/3/d015416f-0036-4efc-83f7-d0f2abc95b29.Medium.gif" alt="" /><br /><br /></p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <font color="#993300"><span class="body"><font size="2" color="#3366ff"><div align="center">. </div><div align="center">Never roll in the mud with a pig. You'll both get dirty & the pig likes it.</div></font></span></font> </div>

 

[MeteorWayne]

Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Picky, picky. <br />Posted by boris1961</DIV><br /><br />Guilty as charged!&nbsp; <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/content/scripts/tinymce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-laughing.gif" border="0" alt="Laughing" title="Laughing" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080"><em><font color="#000000">But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id.</font></em> </font></p><p><font color="#000080">I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function</font><font color="#000080"> </font></p> </div>

 

[silylene old]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Hi Derek, you are more or less spot on. &nbsp;The planets Mars & Neptune both have their polar points pointing at the galactic plane. They ARE on their sides in relation to the Milky Way.&nbsp;Yes I thinks so too Derek.It is IMO a random event & is soething that will continue to alter over vast periods of time into the future. Our own solarstem has had close approaches to other stars, black holes, passed through nebulae, etc, so it's no wonder that the orientation is a bit skewy. I think the Earth is currently tilted approx 62 degrees to the Galactic Plane, though at times during the 25,800 year precessional cycle, the Earth too is on its side, like Mars & Neptune IRT the Milky Way.Mars North Celestial Pole. Neptune North Celestial Pole. Andrew Brown.&nbsp; <br />Posted by 3488</DIV></p><p>I think that if the axes of all the solar systems in the MW galaxy were known and this was plotted against the axis of the MW galaxy itself, you would find a very slight&nbsp;weighting of of solar systems with an axis closer to that of the galaxy itself.&nbsp; This is because of the gravitational effects of our galaxy will very subltely help push the axis to be aligned.&nbsp;&nbsp; But the effect is relatively small, and the result would only be seen if we knew a huge number of systems so that we could detect something of a very minor statistical significance.</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature" align="center"><em><font color="#0000ff">- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -</font></em> </div><div class="Discussion_UserSignature" align="center"><font color="#0000ff"><em>I really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function.</em></font> </div> </div>

 

[killium]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>I imagine over several billion years worth of perturbations, it would be rather random showing no real preference.&nbsp; I'm only guessing though.&nbsp; <br />Posted by derekmcd</DIV><br /><br />for the same reasons, i would have thought the opposite cause order emerges from chaos...</p><p>&nbsp;</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>