Europe & Russia manned spaceflight co-operation

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Zipi

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Joint European and Russian forces are making their way to the moon according to this article:http://itnews.com.au/News/81218,eu-and-russia-unveil-new-spacecraft.aspxSeems fairly intresting project since it will utilize ATV inherited technology and Russian boosters. I only wonder which booster Russians might upgrade to be able to carry the load... In my wildest dreams I see the Energia awoken from the dead, but that might be too long shot. EDIT: Pictures added and link to the BBC article:http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7519723.stmHere is the RussianSpaceWeb article:http://www.russianspaceweb.com/soyuz_acts_origin.html#moscow 
 
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<p>It's a novel concept, but we don't have the lander or the Lunar Excursion Module. Also, the reporting comes mostly from Russian sources, so it's best to take with a grain of salt at this point.</p><p>We'll see in November whether something like this is in the works.&nbsp;</p>
 
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tanstaafl76

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<p>&nbsp;</p><p>I think the U.S. government should ask if they'd mind setting up a missile defense station while they're there, just to see how the Russians react <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/content/scripts/tinymce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-sealed.gif" border="0" alt="Sealed" title="Sealed" /></p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>
 
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<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Joint European and Russian forces are making their way to the moon according to this article:http://itnews.com.au/News/81218,eu-and-russia-unveil-new-spacecraft.aspxSeems fairly intresting project since it will utilize ATV inherited technology and Russian boosters. I only wonder which booster Russians might upgrade to be able to carry the load... In my wildest dreams I see the Energia awoken from the dead, but that might be too long shot. EDIT: Pictures added and link to the BBC article:http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7519723.stmHere is the RussianSpaceWeb article:http://www.russianspaceweb.com/soyuz_acts_origin.html#moscow&nbsp; <br /> Posted by Zipi</DIV></p><p>Based on that image, they need to rethink the lander.&nbsp; Don't land with your Earth reentry vehicle. </p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <hr style="margin-top:0.5em;margin-bottom:0.5em" />Will Pittenger<hr style="margin-top:0.5em;margin-bottom:0.5em" />Add this user box to your Wikipedia User Page to show your support for the SDC forums: <div style="margin-left:1em">{{User:Will Pittenger/User Boxes/Space.com Account}}</div> </div>
 
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MeteorWayne

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Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Double post. <br />Posted by aphh</DIV><br /><br />You can just delete the double post... <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080"><em><font color="#000000">But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id.</font></em> </font></p><p><font color="#000080">I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function</font><font color="#000080"> </font></p> </div>
 
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JonClarke

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It will be quite a ride waiting for the rockets to fire at the last minute!
 
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aphh

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I'd think the boosters would be test-fired during descend. There will be a parachute also, should rocket powered landing turn out to be risky for one reason or another.
 
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JonClarke

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A back up parachute would rather eliminate the point of eliminating them in the first place, I would think. I suspect that several redundant landing rocket systems would give the required safety.

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Zipi

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JonClarke":1fw72p39 said:
A back up parachute would rather eliminate the point of eliminating them in the first place, I would think. I suspect that several redundant landing rocket systems would give the required safety.
The vehicle is designed to be used multiple times until scrapping. The backup parachute use requires chopping the bottom off from the vehicle (landing rocket system) and effectively scraps the vehicle beoynd repair. Backup parachute cannot handle the full weight of the capsule.

I suppose that several redundant landing rocket systems would add too much weight for the capsule. I mean if you really want to do a safe landing even if one rocket system fails you would need another similar set of rockets.
 
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That for the additional info, I missed that.

The other way of providing redundancy is by having nultiple engines which have provide additional thrust in the event of thew failure of one or two. But they would have to be steerable and throttleable, which might not be worth doing in this case.

Jon
 
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