Journey to the center of the Earth

[why06]

I posted this in Forces of Nature already, but it wasn't doing to well. I was to surprized to see it had not moved after a month...so I'm shifting it to this forum because I thought we needed something new to talk about.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Contrary to the popular science fiction story by Jules Vernes, scientists say that earth's interior is composed of a mantle molten rock and a Iron core. <br /><br />I did not right this post simply to guess at what's beneath us, but to dveise an actually expedition to the center of the earth.<br /><br /><font color="blue"> Recently the only possible technology I've seen is in science fiction movies, such as "Core". <br />In this movie I believe they used a laser to cut threw earth's rock and a nd a coating of diamonds. Tey launched their ship in the sea down into a possible magma zone. They did this to to restart the earth,s magnetic core spinning which when stopped caused the earth to go into choas and lose its magnetosphere and earth's atomospheres ability to deflect UV rays. <br /><font color="white"><br /><br />I have reevised this post and am ready to start again. the gravity would be immense for any vehicle. What we do have on our side is TIME. It has been proved that when a vehicle approaches 57.7% of c it produces an Anti- Gravity beam. <br /><br />What I mean by this is that if we launch the ship from space say at a magma-zone in the ocean a small ship I propose could cut threw the Earth with out feeling the immediate effects of gravity. Air would be released from a nozzle as so it would not have to deal with friction. Or if antimatter was produced in large amounts it could generate a magnetic field to protect it while it made the perilous journey at near light speed giving it added protection..<br /><font color="red"><br />Any thoughts on: <br />Possible location of launch? <br /><br />The design of the ship? <br /><br />What could be the possible benifits of such a journey? <br /><br />Or any thing else? <br /><br />As Always your comments w</font></font></font> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <div>________________________________________ <br /></div><div><ul><li><font color="#008000"><em>your move...</em></font></li></ul></div> </div>

 

[mlorrey]

Try "phenomena" or "science fiction". What you propose is insane, not physically possible. Stop trolling.

 

[why06]

I wouldn't have proposed it if it wasn't possible...<br />Why do you think it won't work using technology on the near future? The ship could be made of buckyballs and shot threw the earth at hyper sonic velocity. Plus I said a stream of air would be released to protect it. <font color="yellow"></font> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <div>________________________________________ <br /></div><div><ul><li><font color="#008000"><em>your move...</em></font></li></ul></div> </div>

 

[tomnackid]

Check out this link (from Space.com no less) for a plausible way to send a probe to the center of the earth--not easy bay any means, but plausible.<br /><br />http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/nasa_core_030514.html

 

[rpmath]

<font color="yellow">the gravity would be immense for any vehicle</font><br />Gravity at Earth center is 0...<br />As you lower you have less mass underneath... so the gravity is smaller...<br /><br />Well... there are some minor fluctuations due to density difference:<br />It is supposed to be a small increase in gravity when you go down from the crust to the top of the mantle (because mantle is denser than crust)...<br />then gravity reduces until near the top of the outer core where it raises a little (again for density difference)<br />another reduction and small raise going to the inner core and a reduction down to 0 at the center.<br /><br />The point is that it is never much above 1G...<br />therefore no antigravity required.

 

[rpmath]

From:<br />http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/nasa_core_030514.html<br /><br /><font color="yellow">Stevenson figures that a nuclear device would likely be the best way to blast the necessary gap, as long and deep as several football fields and about 1 foot wide (30 centimeters). The event would be commensurate with an Earthquake measuring 7 on the Richter Scale.<br />At least 100,000 tons of hot iron would be poured instantly into the crack, along with a well-protected probe the size of a grapefruit.<br /></font><br />A nuclear device?<br />A 30cm wide hole sounds like an oil drilling hole... and they can be many miles long.<br />Isn’t enough just to fill the oil drilling pipe with the 100,000 tons of iron ?

 

[nexium]

Science channel did a pretend trip to Earth's core today, and will likely repeat it. They said the mantle was squishable rock. The outer core molton and the inner core solid inspite of being the hotest part. They suggested something like 10,000 degrees f as the interior temperature. No substances are solid or licquid at this temperature except at a presure of about 60,000,000 times sea level presure, so there is no presently known way to build a probe that can tolerate half that hot, plus the energy to make the hole and keep it open likely exceeds the total human energy output. A million of our best present lasers would be puny for this task.<br />The gravity decreases slowly as you decend.<br />That 0.577 c produces an anti-gravity beam is not even a good hypothesis and certainly is unproven. Friction would be reduced by a powerful jet of air, but many tons of air would be required for each kilometer of decent.<br />I don't think anti-matter is useful for producing a strong magnetic field. Neil

 

[why06]

Good to see someone bringing up a long forgotten post.<br />I will respond to this sometime, but not tonight .....cuz.....its late...and...im tired....<br /><br />I can tell you this though:<br />What I gave was a rough sketch and since my statements were not debated I could not refine the idea of Journeying through the Earth at high speed. <br /><br />I do however believe antimatter would produce a STRONG magnetic field<br /><br />By shooting through the Earth fast enough the pressure problems can be negated.<br />We don't need to keep the hole open just get in and out as fast as possible.<br /><br />The decrease in gravity should make it easier.<br /><br />Plus there are many more ways to softhe the magma...as for the pressure exibited....<br /><br />...im tired....<font color="yellow">Goodnight.</font> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <div>________________________________________ <br /></div><div><ul><li><font color="#008000"><em>your move...</em></font></li></ul></div> </div>

 

[why06]

<font color="yellow">I said before I would answer back so here it goes....<br /><br /><br /> <br /><font color="orange">The first problem is the pressure.....<br /><font color="yellow">\ 1. <font color="white">This is where the anti-gravity beam comes in<br />As I recall this is the knowledge at the heart of my plan. If it is truth then the ship might survive, but the ship will have to be moving fast to not be touched by the magma caving in on it.<br />Also recommend not going directly through the center of earth but at a slight angle instead. And I realize that the ship will have to be moving much faster than 57.7% of c in order to produce a strong enough field.<br /><br /><br /><br /><font color="orange">The second problem is how can a probe be built to take such speed...<br /><font color="yellow">\ 2.<font color="white"> I don't really know this, but I'm sure somebody can come up with something...<br />I suggest using the black diamonds talked about on this thread by docm if possible. <br />http://uplink.space.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=sciastro&Number=648944&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=31&fpart=<br />And mentioned on this site. http://www.spaceflightnow.com/news/n0701/12diamonds/<br /><br /><br /><br /><font color="orange">Finely the last problem is exiting...<br /><font color="yellow">\ 3.<font color="white"> I believe we should come out with the natural power of the Earth. Using a super-heated water as a propellant would could also help providing extra thrust.<br />This technique has also been considered to send materials in space at 1/10 the speed of light!<br /><br /><br /><br />Another strategy could also be apopted by shooting multiple shells.<br /><br /><br /><br />That's it I guess so if you want to comment.... i</font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <div>________________________________________ <br /></div><div><ul><li><font color="#008000"><em>your move...</em></font></li></ul></div> </div>

 

[pizzaguy]

<font color="yellow">It has been proved that when a vehicle approaches 57.7% of c it produces an Anti- Gravity beam. </font><br />Where did you get that little gem?<br /><br /><font color="yellow">What I mean by this is that if we launch the ship from space say at a magma-zone in the ocean a small ship I propose could cut threw the Earth with out feeling the immediate effects of gravity</font><br />You wouldn't feel gravity - 'cause your ship would be destroyed on impact with the 'magma zone'.<br /><br />I think you are having a problem here with the difference between a fictional (and poorly written) movie - and real science. Your proposal is not science, not at all.<br /><br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <font size="1"><em>Note to Dr. Henry:  The testosterone shots are working!</em></font> </div>

 

[why06]

FOR ALL THE CRITICS:<br /><br />http://www.space.com/businesstechnology/060215_technovel_antigravity.html<br /><br /><font color="yellow">TRy checking your ownsite for once know-it all!</font> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <div>________________________________________ <br /></div><div><ul><li><font color="#008000"><em>your move...</em></font></li></ul></div> </div>

 

[owenander]

It hasn't been proved thats just a theory.

 

[why06]

Still the guy asked me where i got it. Like I said before this is my foundational idea...wthout it I would need something completely new. And like the article said it was based on einstien's equations themselves. Since it hasn't been disproved yet either I thinl I have good grounds to stand on. Someone will have to disprove relativity in or to disprove one of it many off-springs. <br />Among those being:<br /><br />Black holes<br />and Time- dialation<br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <div>________________________________________ <br /></div><div><ul><li><font color="#008000"><em>your move...</em></font></li></ul></div> </div>

 

[ianke]

While I find this to be an interesting puzzle, why on earth (I should say in earth) would one want to do this? It seems to me that there migth be easier ways of assertaining knowledge about the earths core than shooting it! If I could get an object going that fast, I could certainly find a better target than our own self.<br /><br /><br />Leave the earth alone. Please? <br /><br />Shoot it at something else though. That would be fun! lol <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[MeteorWayne]

I think it's time to move this thread. There was hope in the beginning, but with where it has led, SB&T doen't seem to be the right forum. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080"><em><font color="#000000">But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id.</font></em> </font></p><p><font color="#000080">I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function</font><font color="#000080"> </font></p> </div>

 

[why06]

It was a book...<br /><br />And by the way current scientific equations is giving such an idea the backing it need to be reasonable....ANd come on SB&T is boring enough without you removing this thread..<br /><br /><br />Please <img src="/images/icons/frown.gif" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <div>________________________________________ <br /></div><div><ul><li><font color="#008000"><em>your move...</em></font></li></ul></div> </div>

 

[MeteorWayne]

I assume you were replying to me?<br />It was a book? So what?<br /><br />I cannot move a thread, I'm a poster just like you.<br /><br />And it's boring for a reason, it's supposed to be about <br />"Space Business and Technology", not unrealistic flights of fancy. There are other fora for that. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080"><em><font color="#000000">But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id.</font></em> </font></p><p><font color="#000080">I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function</font><font color="#000080"> </font></p> </div>

 

[why06]

Hollywood offers a lot of made up stuff, but Jules Verne studied for years on a topic before writing a book. READ it its a very good book. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <div>________________________________________ <br /></div><div><ul><li><font color="#008000"><em>your move...</em></font></li></ul></div> </div>

 

[MeteorWayne]

I read it long before you were even born, sonny. <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /><br /><br />I'm a big Jules Verne fan, but it's Science Fiction, not Space Business and Technology. Get it? <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080"><em><font color="#000000">But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id.</font></em> </font></p><p><font color="#000080">I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function</font><font color="#000080"> </font></p> </div>

 

[why06]

Well yes, but its not phenomenom either....it is on the part of Technology. a concept that can not merely be carried out on Earth since it will need to build up speed <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <div>________________________________________ <br /></div><div><ul><li><font color="#008000"><em>your move...</em></font></li></ul></div> </div>

 

[why06]

At least I did not decide to build a MOLE-A-MACHINE....<br />I think you guys just ran out of stuff to say. So far I would say my idea could be compared to the molten metal method of getting a probe down. And an alternative to unnobtanium. I mean come on REAL (or shall I say theorized)antigravity and real giant asteroids of black diamonds... I think you all would be hard pressed to come up with something better. <br /><br />After all if you can imagine a better machine go ahead, but I doubt it <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" /> <br /><br /><br /><font color="yellow"> And Im sorry if I destroy your precious planet in the process.... <img src="/images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /></font> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <div>________________________________________ <br /></div><div><ul><li><font color="#008000"><em>your move...</em></font></li></ul></div> </div>

 

[trumptor]

"You wouldn't feel gravity - 'cause your ship would be destroyed on impact with the 'magma zone'."<br /><br />This was so funny, I scared some of my co-workers when I laughed. Just had to say so. That's a hilarious retort. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em><font color="#0000ff">______________</font></em></p><p><em><font color="#0000ff">Caution, I may not know what I'm talking about.</font></em></p> </div>

 

[why06]

not if the ship never hit anything...<br />But funny nevertheless..glad to see people with a since of humor. <img src="/images/icons/laugh.gif" /> <br /><br /><font color="yellow"> And no one has yet to answer my challenge.</font> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <div>________________________________________ <br /></div><div><ul><li><font color="#008000"><em>your move...</em></font></li></ul></div> </div>