Mars the anomalies The moon too.

pierround · Jun 30, 2007

Here's a link http://www.marsanomalyresearch.com/evidence-reports/2007/121/mars-dark-hole.htm This guy seems to know his photography so Iâ€™m inclined to read his theories. Kind of interesting. Cover up? You decide. This one is weird.

lost_shaman · Jun 30, 2007

This reminds me of Zorgon's stuff, an ATS member. IMO, that guy couldn't tell the difference between a Banana and a Coconut! Behold nonsense! http://landoflegends.us/41pegasus/02files/NASA_Crashing_Satellites_02.html http://landoflegends.us/41pegasus/ From his POV and others that listen to his nonsense, every rock on the Moon is "Crane" or "Truck" and every crater is a "Mine" and every ridge is a "Road". That is according to Zorgon's "Photo analysis" and trust me I'm using that phrase quite loosely here.

3488 · Jun 30, 2007

Post deleted by 3488 <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> "I suddenly noticed an anomaly to the left of Io, just off the rim of that world. It was extremely large with respect to the overall size of Io and crescent shaped. It seemed unbelievable that something that big had not been visible before". Linda Morabito on discovering that the Jupiter moon Io was volcanically active. Friday 9th March 1979.http://www.launchphotography.com/ http://anthmartian.googlepages.com/thisislandearthhttp://web.me.com/meridianijournal </div>

MeteorWayne · Jun 30, 2007

True, but this is Phenomona, so that's OK Andrew <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /> If the shoe fits the foot, Cinderella is happy <img src="/images/icons/laugh.gif" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id. I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function </div>

3488 · Jun 30, 2007

True MeteorWayne. I have removed my rant. Andrew Brown. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> "I suddenly noticed an anomaly to the left of Io, just off the rim of that world. It was extremely large with respect to the overall size of Io and crescent shaped. It seemed unbelievable that something that big had not been visible before". Linda Morabito on discovering that the Jupiter moon Io was volcanically active. Friday 9th March 1979.http://www.launchphotography.com/ http://anthmartian.googlepages.com/thisislandearthhttp://web.me.com/meridianijournal </div>

lampblack · Jun 30, 2007

I have removed my rant. I didn't get to see the rant. But I suspect it was well-expressed, and perfectly on point. Anybody can play with PhotoShop. <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Just tell the truth and let the chips fall... </div>

pierround · Jul 1, 2007

Including Nasa? Why would they? Those links at the bottom of his page are theirs " Nasa ". It almost looks like crude oil to me. But then again wouldn't it have some reflect ability on its surface somewhere? If you look at the top of the hole you'll see a bridge in the strata across the black. And he is right about the shadows. http://www.marsanomalyresearch.com/evidence-reports/2007/121/mars-dark-hole.htm Ranting won't change it from the strangeness that is being shown to the public.

qso1 · Jul 2, 2007

Coverup? Highly unlikely, why? Why publish the images at all if there is something to cover. Another thread here had an image of an earthly analogy that satisfactorily explained it to me as a natural feature. However, its way to early to make any conclusions, especially a case for some kind of artificiality and a coverup implies artificiality. So far, every feature that has not had a striaghtfoward explanation becomes an object or feature surrounded by mystery and conspiracy. Some features certainly are mysterious but the only way to know for sure what they are is to send a human expedition. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> My borrowed quote for the time being:There are three kinds of people in life. Those who make it happen, those who watch it happen...and those who do not know what happened. </div>

JonClarke · Jul 2, 2007

The "Mars anaomaly reserach site" is full of crack pot suff and conspiracy nonsense. The features on Arisa Mons are steep sided pits on young lava flows. They are cold in the day and warm at night. All the evidence points to them being lava caves. Just because the author of that site finds it hard to believe (the argument from incredulity) does not make this less true. http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/070402_mm_mars_caves.html Jon <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Whether we become a multi-planet species with unlimited horizons, or are forever confined to Earth will be decided in the twenty-first century amid the vast plains, rugged canyons and lofty mountains of Mars Arthur Clarke </div>

3488 · Jul 2, 2007

I agree totally with you Jon Clarke. I too (but am not the only one) who is sick to death with pseudo science / conspiracy theories being passed of as real science or the 'latest revelation, NASA has hidden nonsense, etc'. They are definately pits in young lava flows on Arsia Mons. No cover up, no aliens, just pits & collapsing lava tubes on one of the Solar System's most majestic volcanic mountains. Mars & the Moon do not need anomalies. They are more than interesting as they are. In the UK, science is facing a crisis, as students do not take up Science places in Colleges & Universities, but rather cheap, trendy, easier & useless courses, resulting in University laboratories, etc closing. Unfortunately this kind of nonsense article, is partly the result. Andrew Brown. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> "I suddenly noticed an anomaly to the left of Io, just off the rim of that world. It was extremely large with respect to the overall size of Io and crescent shaped. It seemed unbelievable that something that big had not been visible before". Linda Morabito on discovering that the Jupiter moon Io was volcanically active. Friday 9th March 1979.http://www.launchphotography.com/ http://anthmartian.googlepages.com/thisislandearthhttp://web.me.com/meridianijournal </div>

vishniac2 · Jul 2, 2007

That reminds me of MarsRevealer, he was a poster around here a few years back. The guy had a full website of Mars anomalies with stunning names such as "Cobra Queen of Mars" or such! And the site had some cool Metal music, something like Iron Maiden. That was classy! Delirious but classy in a kitsch way!

JonClarke · Jul 2, 2007

I agree. It's the same here in Oz. It's really sad. This should be the golden age for amateur science, with some much data from space missions. The interest, skills and dedication are there. Unfortunately the basic knowledge (which does not have to come from formal training, discipline, and basic humility aren't. Jon <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Whether we become a multi-planet species with unlimited horizons, or are forever confined to Earth will be decided in the twenty-first century amid the vast plains, rugged canyons and lofty mountains of Mars Arthur Clarke </div>

pierround · Jul 2, 2007

It wasn't long ago that you fought tooth and nail against the idea of water being there. They would have to show these photos, as it's a popular place on Mars the public would demand to see the new photos of the volcanoes. To me it doesnâ€™t look natural. I have seen some deep crater impacts there, very deep, from older photos and I will try to find the links to compare with this deep crater/hole. It looks like tampering to me, but then I'm not the expert. IMHO, You would think because of where it is, in the lava flow field, that there would be some major collapses along one part of the walls somewhere that would let light penetrate deeper in, to show some depth perception but there is not. From what I can tell if this is really a hole it must be mile or more down and a cavern would have to extend at angels under the lava field to be that dark swallowing the light and scattering it. But then it should collapse in on itâ€™s self, less circular. I wonder if its holding diamonds? Lava flows on Earth seem to break up and crumble pretty quickly in the course of nature. If Mars had a similar past this should have happened.

JonClarke · Jul 3, 2007

Magicsquare wrote: Keeping people ignorant and stupid is part of the deception plan. What deception plan and what connection has it to Martian lava caves? Egotistical righteous professors don't help either. Think of your grades befor you make statements in UNI etc. Many students tell me that Uni's are not encouraging students to question what they are taut. What relevance has this to the collapsed caves on the slopes on Martian volcanoes? Downlink and uplink to space programs are encrypted and censored by the military, namely, the airforce. You would prefer space mission uplifts to be open to jamming by hostile parties? Please supply evidence that data the relevant space missions, i.e. MRO, etc., are being censored. Without evidence it is a baseless assertion. The reason is that Nasa/JPL etc have military contracts and it is not the innocent privately owned organisation it professes to be. Neither JPL nor NASA are private organisations and have never claimed to be. JPL is part of CalTech and NASA is a government agency. Having said that, I'm sure some in the space program resent not being allowed to provide the proof, but having said that, astronauts such as Gordon Cooper are willing to testify to congress about UFOs in space etc. Yeah, unfortunately cooper died recently but there ARE others ! Proof of what? What relevance have UFOs in connection with Martian surface features? What relevance are Cooperâ€™s opinions to the interpretation of Martian surface features? Jon <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Whether we become a multi-planet species with unlimited horizons, or are forever confined to Earth will be decided in the twenty-first century amid the vast plains, rugged canyons and lofty mountains of Mars Arthur Clarke </div>

qso1 · Jul 3, 2007

magic_square: Keeping people ignorant and stupid is part of the deception plan. Me: Lets see...big evil gov and aliens want to keep the people ignorant. By first showing an anomaly that will get them all stirred up and having them calling it an anomaly that they say is covered up by the very government that showed it...when they had absolutely no reason to show it to us dumb masses...of ignorant people. Makes sense to me LOL. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> My borrowed quote for the time being:There are three kinds of people in life. Those who make it happen, those who watch it happen...and those who do not know what happened. </div>

qso1 · Jul 3, 2007

magic_square: That sounds more like it. But others have said or claimed otherwise when discussing U-foes and Aliens in the Seti commune. So, Is Seti an "agency" as well ? Me: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SETI magic_square: But others have said or claimed otherwise when discussing U-foes and Aliens in the Seti commune. Me: This is why its important to verify as best as possible any claims you run across before assuming them correct. magic_square: UFOs on the moon and so forth. Why have we not been back ? And on the back of the moon too ? I guess it's rather dark on the backside of the moon rite ? Me: We haven't been back because the best evidence supports the lack of budget and purpose. Do you rememebr what people thought about going to the moon circa 1972..."Its a waste of taxpayer dollars" or 'If we can land on the moon, why can't we cure cancer"? After 1973 or so, the reason we haven't gone back is simple...no bucks, no Buck Rogers. BTW, the budget was cut approximately 50% after Apollo and has been sustained at that level (Give or take) since. The moons so called dark side actually sees daylight for two weeks at a time. During a solar eclipse, the moons dayside is facing the sun. magic_square: Does it not strike you odd that the only known intelligence around is on a planet with a moon that not only has a near perfect circular orbit but also a face that never can be seen by the naked eye, and that in an eclipse, the moon is a near perfect fit over the sun. How do you explain those "anomalies" ? Me: I'd like to know how you explain them, your explaination has to be a helluva lot more interesting than what I would offer. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> My borrowed quote for the time being:There are three kinds of people in life. Those who make it happen, those who watch it happen...and those who do not know what happened. </div>

JonClarke · Jul 3, 2007

Guys, let's not make this a UFO thread. There are plenty of those already. If you must you can start a new one. But let's keep this thread focussed on the discussion of the supposed lava caves on Mars. Jon <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Whether we become a multi-planet species with unlimited horizons, or are forever confined to Earth will be decided in the twenty-first century amid the vast plains, rugged canyons and lofty mountains of Mars Arthur Clarke </div>

vishniac2 · Jul 3, 2007

So, are they supposed or are they real?

oscar1 · Jul 3, 2007

I have seen cloud formations looking like the map of countries, and even once saw one that looked exactly like my dog the way she was lying at my feet. My dog herself however refused to take notice; the alien that apparently wanted to communicate with her, hence failed miserably! <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" />

oscar1 · Jul 3, 2007

I wouldn't know, I don't take much notice of male's asses.

oscar1 · Jul 3, 2007

Did you fit a lightbulb in the bowl of your loo???

a_lost_packet_ · Jul 3, 2007

From the link to the website... ...The bottom line is that there is insufficient evidence of any of this one way or the other as to whether this is truly a pit or originally an elevated form. Except for the strange looking terrain that I suspect is more "suggestive" of some form of strange dense biological life than inanimate geology, the fact is that what ever is most telling here evidence wise has been visually eliminated by intent. The only thing that the less trusting of us are left with is the strong suspicion that we've been had and that the Mars dark hole scientific speculation may be off the mark with this particular evidence. That kind of ambiguity may be disgusting and unacceptable to those of us longing for a little simple straight forward truth in planetary exploration but, even if the down versus up misdirection tactic and perception doesn't work with everyone, the resulting ambiguity alone will do just fine as a second choice for those who promote secrecy. Just trust us, we know what is best for you! So, here's a guy that in a very long scroll's worth of webpage says basically nothing, establishes nothing, proves nothing while proposing everything and then telling us we should take him seriously. And THEN he has the chutzpah to preach about ambiguity. Yeah, right. The "Big Thumbs Up" award for this week for "Demonstrative Lessons in Sensational Ambiguity" goes to the author of that material. Congratulations Mr. Whoeveryouare! You're a "somebody" now! <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> I put on my robe and wizard hat... </div>

JonClarke · Jul 3, 2007

It is not a question of pain, it is a question of relevance. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Whether we become a multi-planet species with unlimited horizons, or are forever confined to Earth will be decided in the twenty-first century amid the vast plains, rugged canyons and lofty mountains of Mars Arthur Clarke </div>

JonClarke · Jul 3, 2007

It wasn't long ago that you fought tooth and nail against the idea of water being there. Not true. I have always argued for the presence of liquid water in the past and probable presence of episodic liquid water at present. I have only argued against the more extravagant claims by some people who see open water everywhere. They would have to show these photos, as it's a popular place on Mars the public would demand to see the new photos of the volcanoes. The HiRISE and THEMIS teams are contractually obliged to release their data to the public. Itâ€™s nothing to do with popular demand. To me it doesnâ€™t look natural. The argument from incredulity. How many lava caves have you seen? I have seen some deep crater impacts there, very deep, from older photos and I will try to find the links to compare with this deep crater/hole. They are not impact craters. They lack the characteristic ejecta and, as you say, are much too deep. It looks like tampering to me, but then I'm not the expert. If you are not an expert why claim that they are tampered with? IMHO, You would think because of where it is, in the lava flow field, that there would be some major collapses along one part of the walls somewhere that would let light penetrate deeper in, to show some depth perception but there is not. It is certainly possible, but there is no reason why the walls have to collapse in this manner. From what I can tell if this is really a hole it must be mile or more down and a cavern would have to extend at angels under the lava field to be that dark swallowing the light and scattering it. Why a mile or more? Why not a few 100 metres and the floor is invisible because it is in shadow? But then it should collapse in on itâ€™s self, less circular. Again, why? I wonder if its holding dia <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Whether we become a multi-planet species with unlimited horizons, or are forever confined to Earth will be decided in the twenty-first century amid the vast plains, rugged canyons and lofty mountains of Mars Arthur Clarke </div>

JonClarke · Jul 3, 2007

My original comments in yellow, M-S comments in italics. You would prefer space mission uplifts to be open to jamming by hostile parties? No, but who would the "hostile parties" be ? The Soviet Union ? At least we could have the downlink feed unfiltered don't you think. It would be nice to see the stars and constellations from space, they sure are nice at 35,000 feet. Satellites have been hacked before now. Who says the science mission data is filtered? The missions teams are contractually obliged to release all data to the public. You are saying that they donâ€™t? That is a serious accusation of breach of contract. I hope you have evidence. If you want to see stars, look at Hubble images. Constellations? Why bother? Please supply evidence that data the relevant space missions, i.e. MRO, etc., are being censored. Without evidence it is a baseless assertion. Have you heard of Linda Moulton Howe ? Probably not. We don't get raw image data, most of it goes to select scientists before release. Is downlink via Pine Gap or Carnarvon or somewhere else maybe ? What has Linda Moulton Howe to do with space science? All the data from science missions is eventually available. Sometimes the mission scientists have a period when they have exclusive access. Nothing wrong with that. They are the ones who designed and built the missions, sacrificed years of their lives for the data. It is right that they should have first go at it. Pine Gap has nothing to do with science missions, its all secret squirrel stuff. Science missions are run out of the DSN (e.g. Tidbinbilla) and equivalent ESA facilities (e.g. New Norcia). What deception plan and what connection has it to Martian lava caves? Maybe none, assuming all are what we are told they are. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Whether we become a multi-planet species with unlimited horizons, or are forever confined to Earth will be decided in the twenty-first century amid the vast plains, rugged canyons and lofty mountains of Mars Arthur Clarke </div>

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