Now that Discovery is in space the CEV report please?

[john_316]

Now that Discovery is in space we could use that 60 day report that was placed on the back burner so many times about CEV. <br /><br />I know delays delays delays!<br /><br />So what truelly is the result of the report delay other than just blowing smoke where the sun doesnt shine...<br />

 

[ehs40]

yea come on lets get some cev info

 

[radarredux]

> <i><font color="yellow">I think we'll get the report after discovery lands safely in a little under two weeks.</font>/i><br /><br />I agree. I think for many reason NASA and the general population should be focused on Discovery right now. When she lands safely, then there will be the opportunity to discuss the future.<br /><br />Other reasons that NASA has held back on its architecture vision may include:<br /><ol type="1"><li>It was harder to put this together than they thought. The effort will include ISS configuration and schedule, shuttle retirement plan, the long-term mission architecture(s), and the specifics of the CEV near-term and long-term.<li>Push back and feedback from major constituencies, including the Whitehouse and Congress.<li>Technical feedback from experts.<li>Time to build a solid consensus from important players.<li>Need to clean up the total presentation in order to turn it into a compelling story.<br /></li></li></li></li></li></ol><br />The roadmap should layout general work for the next 15 years, specific work for the next 10 years, and highly specific (i.e., signing contracts) for the next 5 years. It will span many Congresses and several administrations.<br /><br />To minimize the probability of changes in the future (e.g, what Griffin has done with O'Keefe's plan, or what is being discussed with the ISS right now), and therefore waste previous work and introduce delays, you want a technically and financially sound plan that has a strong broad-based support.<br /><br />In short, you really want to have your ducks in a row before you show your hand.</i>

 

[redgryphon]

Great post, Radar. I agree. I'm happy to wait for a few more days if it means the plan is better prepared and timed.

 

[wvbraun]

The release has been pushed back to September. Griffin has ordered the presentations to be redone after they weren't well recieved by congress and industry. And there are still some very important unresolved issues (most notably trade studies regarding in-line vs. side-mount SDV)...

 

[john_316]

And we have to wait till they decide what one they will go with. Either Shuttle-C or Inline SDHLV...<br /><br />And we still have to find out whats up with CEV and its launcher as well...<br /><br />If NASA can bring costs down some way without adjusting costs in other areas we might be able to see something worth while.<br /><br />Now I prepose an idea or cost analysis here. <br /><br />Would we save money if we deferr launches from the Shuttle to launch ISS components on the Delta IV HLV?<br /><br />I would think we could deferr launches to Delta IV Heavy and take money in the now STS program and begin transferring it to CEV and SDHLV programs. I know its not much but perhaps $300 to $400 million per launch.<br /><br />Any idea or suggestions here?????<br /><br /><img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /><br /><br />

 

[grooble]

Can't NASA get a loan from the government?

 

[nacnud]

ISS loads built to launch on the shuttle would probably not be able to be launch on an EELV without a redesign of the load.

 

[grooble]

It's either that or not get launched at all it seems.

 

[wvbraun]

NASA is reportedly looking into launching some station modules with the SDV.

 

[nacnud]

I'd like 'them' to fast track the single stick SDV for this purpose. Build a payload that can delive ISPRs, MPLMs, etc to the ISS ASAP. The CEV comes soon after that is in place. In the mean while buy Soyuz, Kliper, t/Space flights and save a bundle. <br /><br />VSE should then be free of ISS support and continuing Shuttle ops. <br /><br />Note: The Shuttle would have to continue flying untill this SRB SDV came online in 3 - 5 years.

 

[john_316]

Why am I getting an eerie feeling that NASA is getting ready to build a Shuttle-2 which is smaller but just as capable?<br /><br />I mean the Italian built modules will go to waste without an reentry vehicle for them and the STS-C will burn up in orbit when its done. <br /><br />The shuttle can always go unmanned and remote controlled tooooooo.....<br /><br /><br />Hmmmmmmm......<br /><br /><br />Why am I thinking this for.......<br /><br /><br />

 

[ehs40]

will the cev use the soild rocket boosters attached to its under belly as the shuttle dose? i saw one cev model on cnn while i was watching launch coverage that had the cevmounted on the top of the solid rocket boosters and the external tankto eliminate the risk of debris during launch should the cev be built like this?