Saturdays: Dark Side of Enterprise

[beartooth]

I've missed quite a few episodes for various reasons but I did catch last nights program.<br /><br />What is your reaction to the crew being more Klingon or at least militaristic? It's a refreshing change as I've always felt Star Fleet was a little to docile for my tastes. Sure, there were some maybe extreme parts, but on the whole it was pretty good. What say ye?

 

[Leovinus]

It makes me want to find a copy of "The Tholian Web" and "Mirror, Mirror" and review those episodes.<br /><br />I don't know how long the Tholians had the Defiant in spacedock, but you'd think they'd have disposed of the bodies of the crew by now. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[beartooth]

Yeh, some people just won't clean up after themselves!

 

[quasar2]

there was a story arc, though not as good as this on Deep space Nine. on all, there was a male computer voice instead of a female, which btw was majel barrett. i think they shoilda modifed the uniforms a bit more, tho. they used the same female top as mirror, tho. & the daggers, tho i can`t remem if they had em on DS9. i`m wonderin what exactly happened w/ the vulcans, they`ve never been clear on that. i`m wonderin if there never became romulans? romulans would`ve been unnecessary unless romulans became the peaceful ones. sometimes they play fast & loose w/ their canonism. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[beartooth]

Do you mean when Cocoran gave them their "Welcome to Earth" gangsta style greeting?

 

[quasar2]

yeh, i`m wonderin were they they agressive before that? & how are they coping w/ their peacefulness? wouldn`t it be against their nature to help Earth still? or did humans simply force the vulcans to give them tech? <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[quasar2]

cuz surely humans wouldn`t been able to do a whole lot w/ just the one ship. maybe they built a fleet really fast & the vulcans didn`t do much to stop em? <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[Aetius]

I just saw the second half of the two-parter. I enjoyed the twist at the end, where Hoshi backstabs Archer and strongarms her way to the throne. It's easy to see how the Terrans are penny-wise and pound-foolish in the dark universe, though. You can't escape the sense that humanity will get snuffed out or enslaved by the enemies it's made.<br /><br />I liked the story. If you think that all the betrayal and murder seemed over the top, crack open a history book. It's commonplace. Always the problem with tyranny, just like someone once said: Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

 

[1lurker]

Beartooth---I liked the change. I think it shows more realisticly how we would act than the original Enterprise did. The old Enterprise was way too meek and mild and I think that is part of the reason Enterprise never caught on like it should have. I just can't wait to see how these episodes ends, I hope it don't go back to meek and mild.

 

[yevaud]

Quasar:<br /><br />Simple answer: Classic Trek already gave that answer, years ago. Remember the "Guardian of Tomorrow," in which McCoy goes back and accidently changes the timeline? And how Kirk and Spock must go back and change it back?<br /><br />There's a comment in there about how if Edith Keeler had lived, the rest of Earth's history would go all dark and twisty.<br /><br />Guess we're seeing that future... <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em>Differential Diagnosis:  </em>"<strong><em>I am both amused and annoyed that you think I should be less stubborn than you are</em></strong>."<br /> </p> </div>

 

[beartooth]

I liked the change as well. It reminds me so much of where I work & the people I work with. So in that respect it's in a perverse way entertaining. At least as you said, it wasn't so meek like earlier versions.

 

[quasar2]

i guess the vulcans there aren`t quite as tough as they seemed in our universe. they seemed just a little bit tougher in regular unvierse enterprise. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[Aetius]

I think it's what author Howard Bloom once referred to as, "The Barbarian Principle". When enough civilized people decide that civilization's not worth fighting for, the barbarians win.<br /> <br />Humanity in the normal 'Trek' universe is too civilized to just reach out, seize the day, and enslave the Vulcans. Humans in the dark universe apparently had no qualms about reverse engineering the Vulcan ship and building an assault fleet to drop in on Epsilon Eridani. Dark universe humans ARE the barbarians, and the Vulcans cannot resist their illogical ferocity.<br /><br />Personally, I think that more closely portrays the reality of the human condition. It reminds me of social commentator I.F. Stone's suggested alternative wording for the plaque left on the Moon by the crew of Apollo 11:<br /><br />"HERE MEN FIRST SET FOOT OUTSIDE THE EARTH ON THEIR WAY TO THE FAR STARS. THEY SPEAK OF PEACE BUT WHEREVER THEY GO THEY BRING WAR. THE ROCKETS ON WHICH THEY ARRIVED WERE DEVELOPED TO CARRY INSTANT DEATH AND CAN WITHIN A FEW MINUTES TURN THEIR GREEN PLANET INTO ANOTHER LIFELESS MOON. THEIR DESTRUCTIVE INGENUITY KNOWS NO LIMITS AND THEIR WANTON POLLUTION NO RESTRAINT.<br /><br />LET THE REST OF THE UNIVERSE BEWARE."<br /><br />I like the last part. <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" />

 

[north_star_rising]

http://homepage.mac.com/hiddenfrontier/.Movies/Once_More.mov<br /><br />Here is one for you! Peace is not always a Weakness! ;-) Speak lightly and carry a Big Stick!