Space Domination--China, India and the United States

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absolutezero

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I just want to get everyone’s opinion and thoughts on the following matter. Recently China and India have been doing activity with new space ventures, especially China. China, after putting a man into orbit has expressed sending a man to the moon. What appears from this is a potential space race between India, China and maybe even again the United States.<br /><br /><b><font color="yellow">Question 1: Do you support China & India going into space and beyond to the moon?</font></b><br /><br />My initial response when asking this is, people say yes, because it will push the United States Space program to push on harder, but what makes me nervous is, one of the reasons the United States is a super power is because the US dominates space. If China or others go into space, they will launch their own satellites and other potential military equipment. What are your thoughts on this inevitable event and how the playing field will be leveled?
 
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najab

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><i>Question 1: Do you support China & India going into space and beyond to the moon? </i><p>What the frell difference does it make if we 'support' it or not? What does what we want have to do with anything? They are sovereign countries and if <b>they</b> decide that <b>they</b> want to go, it's <b>their</b> choice to make!<p>Having said that, I think that in the 'Grand Scheme of Everything", it will turn out to be a good thing if China/India/Brazil/whoever gets into the spaceflight business: the more players the more interesting the game.</p></p>
 
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absolutezero

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Naja,<br /><br />That’s fine that it is <b>”their”</b> choice to make, that’s not what I was asking, I realize it is their choice to make. I am looking for evidence on either side of the case to determine if it’s good for these nations to join the space race? Yes, it makes the game more interesting and it will <b>hopefully</b> push the United States into pushing harder and faster into is missions, and also more joint missions with ESA, however, just because many, many nations and rogue groups for that matter have nuclear capabilities does not overall make this good for everyone.<br />
 
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grooble

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Check out the main page article about weaponising space!<br /><br />I hope they don't turn it into some battleground. The nations ought to adopt a law that says if we go beyond earth orbit, it is as a united world, not as nation states.<br /><br />That way you can have special international institutes set up on earth to administer the moon and mars, work out resources usage and planning permission. <br /><br />
 
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botch

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Of course I support their continuing success in space.<br /><br />I agree that China will want to persue military applications for space, but we're hardly ones to oppose them: The western worlds militaries have already militarised space. <br /><br />We made space a battlefield in the first place, so we shouldn't be surprised if other countries start getting competitive.<br /><br />Not that I particularly like this arms race scenario, I just don't think we can claim the moral highground when we started it first.
 
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najab

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><i> I am looking for evidence on either side of the case to determine if it’s good for these nations to join the space race?</i><p>It's only a "space race" if you see it as one.</p>
 
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craig42

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Personally, I support anything that might get the common person in to space. I don’t care whether my space flight leaves from, Washington, London, New Deli or Beijing as long as it’s safe and affordable. As for weaponising space doesn’t the Outer Space Treaty forbid Weapons in orbit? Or is that just certain types? I think China was a signatory but that might have been the now in exile government in Taiwan rather than the People’s Republic of China. I’m not sure when the UN changed their offical recognition of China’s status
 
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serak_the_preparer

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The US had forgotten all about manned spaceflight in deep space. The Moon didn't matter any more - 'Been there, done that,' remember? Then China began preparations to send a man into orbit, while rumors and leaks hinted China's real goals are a space station and a landing on the Moon. The US appeared not to notice. Then a Chinese astronaut rode a rocket into space. It wasn't the next day, but it wasn't long afterward either when Bush announced a new vision for American manned spaceflight, calling for a return to the Moon followed by a push on to Mars.<br /><br />The entire time Bush was governor of Texas, he showed no interest in the space program, and never paid a visit to the Johnson Space Center in his own state. China puts a man into orbit, and Bush is telling the world America is ready to pick up where Apollo left off!<br /><br />When America essentially co-owned a monopoly on space with the Soviets after the Cold War, we had an anti-competitive environment where nothing new was being attempted by NASA. The White Knight and SpaceShipOne represent the greatest leap forward in American spaceflight since the development of the Space Shuttle - but it was a private project. Now the government is apparently asking NASA to go forward again.<br /><br />So, to China, India, and any other up-and-comers, I say:<br /><br />Bring it on!!!
 
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spaceinvador_old

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Space should be for everybody... For man to control space is crazy! What if the U.S. made a shield of some type that prohibited anyone else from deploying a spacecraft into space? I just think governments act like little kids on a power trip!!!<br /><br />I guess if you can have control, you just feel safer, or...<br />
 
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rogers_buck

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We should of kept the technology secret and exported the paperwork to those guys. Now they're going to make us look silly...
 
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tap_sa

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<font color="yellow">"If China or others go into space, they will launch their own satellites and other potential military equipment. What are your thoughts on this inevitable event and how the playing field will be leveled?"</font><br /><br />This inevitable event has already passed. China has been launching Long Marches since 1970, India SLVs since 1980. First Chinese spysat (sort of) went up 1975. So I wouldn't be nervous, US doesn't 'dominate' space, never has and never will.<br /><br />Answer to your main question: certainly (but only in spirit, not gonna give them my credit card number <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" />)
 
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absolutezero

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Thanks guys, this is great input!<br /><br />I feel that a joint effort in space with nations is a good thing and can allow us to accomplish more. However I know this type of joint effort is rare among other nations, Cassini shows that it can be done. My question though is, I currently have not seen publicly any interest of the United States, China & India to work together in joint efforts in space.<br /><br />Are there joint efforts going on and we don't see it? Is the United States simply staying out of the affairs of these two nations but closely watching? Or will the three nations merely make races among themselves?
 
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SpaceKiwi

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<blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr /><p>... India is the only other country to have 1 billion people I think to an extent that they are looking at space exploration as an alternative for the population problem. If we can explore space and settle it we can solve the current population problem on Earth.<p><hr /></p></p></blockquote><br /><br />Colonisation of space will never be a solution to the 'current population problem' on Earth. Birth control or abstainence (depending on your persuasion) are the only solutions to this. Colonisation is extremely unlikely to become a viable option for mitigating an unsustainable Earth population growth rate before such a rate would doom the planet. Besides which, were colonisation of an off-world location possible, it would be much more cost-effective to create new humans in-situ. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em><font size="2" color="#ff0000">Who is this superhero?  Henry, the mild-mannered janitor ... could be!</font></em></p><p><em><font size="2">-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------</font></em></p><p><font size="5">Bring Back The Black!</font></p> </div>
 
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henryhallam

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<font color="yellow"><br />Besides which, were colonisation of an off-world location possible, it would be much more cost-effective to create new humans in-situ.<br /></font><br /><br />"Man is the best computer we can put aboard a spacecraft - and the only one that can be mass produced with unskilled labor." - WvB
 
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absolutezero

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you are correct on that reasoning. Competition provides much greater productivity then cooperation. So I am assuming thedream that you will be for China and India entering space for the reason it would push the space programs further?
 
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1lurker

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I want to see humans in space and on Mars and everywhere else. What country they are from really doesn't matter. Our, the Human race, future depends on us getting into space and developing colonies that can support themselves without having to get supplies from Earth. I would like to see the US sending people into space along with the other nations. I would prefer we did it first, but if not us, somebody, anybody, have at it. We need to get humans in space before the next global destruction event comes along and wipes us out or at least set us back a few thousand years.
 
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ldyaidan

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I agree... Until people realize that we are one race, the human race, regardless of nationality, skin color or cultural differences, we are going to have this problem. Think how much further we would get if we could take the best of all the ideas and technologies, from all different nations and space advocacy groups, and use them in one cohesive plan...Ah well.... I can dream, can't I?<br /><br />Rae
 
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holmec

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>The only think standing in the way of that is politics. Politics gave us the Shuttle. Hopefully the next generation vehicles will be the best available and not the product of a huge purchase of engines for some other purpose by LM.<<br /><br />Politics indeed. Theoretically speaking, the more countries launch cargo and humans into space the more potential for conflict (perhaps ownership or domination of Space, or Earth orbit space). Thus the more need for regulation. That is laws, in specific international law. I can only predict that soon there will be the day where countries argue and deliberate to create more specific/regulatory/enforced international Earth orbit laws. And if a nation wants to get in the game, it would have to abide by these regulations. If it doesn't, who knows - maybe a war.<br /><br />Don't get me wrong, I am in favor, like most who participate in this forum, of more countries being able to access space. The more the merrier, so to speak. But I see that countries are not united politically though when it comes to the technology of space and some space science, countries are more united than we like to think. Therefore there will be changes in the political arena when it comes to accessing space.<br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p> </p><p><font color="#0000ff"><em>"SCE to AUX" - John Aaron, curiosity pays off</em></font></p> </div>
 
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