space miscreants

pyoko · Nov 26, 2007

What do you think will be the first crime extra-Earth, and how do you think it will be dealt with? edit: feel free to move this to free space if it's better suited to there <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> -pyoko the duck It is by will alone I set my mind in motion. </div>

3488 · Nov 26, 2007

Hi pyoko, I do not understand the question. <img src="/images/icons/crazy.gif" /> Andrew Brown. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> "I suddenly noticed an anomaly to the left of Io, just off the rim of that world. It was extremely large with respect to the overall size of Io and crescent shaped. It seemed unbelievable that something that big had not been visible before". Linda Morabito on discovering that the Jupiter moon Io was volcanically active. Friday 9th March 1979.http://www.launchphotography.com/ http://anthmartian.googlepages.com/thisislandearthhttp://web.me.com/meridianijournal </div>

pyoko · Nov 26, 2007

For example, will someone murder a romantic rival on a space station or Mars, and be guilty of murder? Will it be theft? If Mars is to be colonised, for example, then surely in the long run there is bound to be crime. I am asking a hypothetical question as to what you think that first crime will be. I do not mean to achieve anything by asking this. It is simply for fun. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> -pyoko the duck It is by will alone I set my mind in motion. </div>

billslugg · Nov 26, 2007

I believe it has already happened. Wally Schirra smuggled a corned beef sandwich, a harmonica, and sleigh bells onto Mercury and Gemini flights. I'll betcha there is something in the Federal Register they could have thrown at him if they wanted to. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

pyoko · Nov 26, 2007

I thought you were kidding until I googled. lol R.I.P. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> -pyoko the duck It is by will alone I set my mind in motion. </div>

SpeedFreek · Nov 26, 2007

I wonder under whose laws space-travellers would be bound by? International Law? Does a spacecraft in orbit have to seek permission to pass over the countries it orbits above? Should sending animals into orbit on test flights which end up killing them be considered as cruelty to animals? Has anyone ever been in charge of a space vehicle whilst under the influence of alcohol? If the age of consent is 14 in Japan, 16 in the UK and 18 in the US, what ramifications does this have for long term "generation" ships on interstellar voyages, or space hotels for the rich and famous? If multi-national corporations start mining the asteroid belt, who would police their activities? How long before the first murder in space? Has it already happened? <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> _______________________________________________ SpeedFreek </div>

billslugg · Nov 26, 2007

Space travellers would be bound by the law of the nation that launched the ship. Just like when I returned from Amsterdam to LAX. The plane was considered to be Dutch soil until it touched the ground. Thus no one objected to all the wacky tobacky being smoked. There are no such thing as international laws per se. International law is the compilation of treaties between countries. You don't have to sign them if you don't want to. Spacecraft in orbit do not have to seek permission. I would guess that by international agreement signed by most countries, the permission thing ends at 100km altitude. If Laika was to be sent to a certain death today, you can bet the PETA folks would have a thing or two to say about it. The Russkies took vodka up in Mir I believe. There is a treaty that most everybody has signed that says that you cannot lay claim to an asteroid or the moon, but you can mine it and keep the stuff. The first murder in space is scheduled for 2017 when Paris Hilton, crazyeddie and vogon13 will to host a food fest in the ISS. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

pyoko · Nov 26, 2007

NASA had a scandal just recently with accusations of astronauts being drunk while piloting. Frankly, I believe it. Another thing: what if I build my own spaceship (however unlikely), and just ****** off to Mars and make a settlement. What am I? Is Mars mine? Is the land mine? What laws do I fall under? What if I have a child on Mars? My vehicle was my own private ship. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> -pyoko the duck It is by will alone I set my mind in motion. </div>

billslugg · Nov 27, 2007

pyoko If you maintain your citizenship in your current country then you would fall under the laws of that country. If you gave up your citizenship then you could make your own country and your own laws. You would have a problem in getting recognized as most all countries in the world have signed the outer space treaties that prohibit the colonization of bodies in outer space. According to the treaty you could settle there and mine it, but you could not claim it as your own. Well, I guess you could claim it all you wanted to but no signatory would recognize your claim. Your claim would not be respected. They would come on over and land in your back yard - tough. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

vogon13 · Nov 27, 2007

IIRC, a Soviet era cosmonaut smuggled a cucumber up to one of their Salyut space stations. Draw your own conclusion . . . . <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> TPTB went to Dallas and all I got was Plucked !!So many people, so few recipes !!Let's clean up this stinkhole !! </div>

pyoko · Nov 27, 2007

I could go to Mars and populate it and create my own country and defend it by force. It would be as good a country as any here on Earth, since that's how all countries were formed. vogon: where did he... oh NVM lol <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> -pyoko the duck It is by will alone I set my mind in motion. </div>

billslugg · Nov 27, 2007

The key difference is that while you might defend it by force, you would not be recognized by other countries as it would be in conflict with a treaty they had already signed. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

pyoko · Nov 27, 2007

But there have been treaties for 10 000 years. They have come and gone. So will these ones. The fact is, these treaties are in the prehistoric stage of space colonization. They will be tested, and most likely, they will be found wanting. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> -pyoko the duck It is by will alone I set my mind in motion. </div>

CalliArcale · Nov 27, 2007

<blockquote>In reply to:<hr />I believe it has already happened. Wally Schirra smuggled a corned beef sandwich, a harmonica, and sleigh bells onto Mercury and Gemini flights. I'll betcha there is something in the Federal Register they could have thrown at him if they wanted to.<hr /></blockquote> I doubt he broke any actual laws. There are no laws concerning export of those items, and since he did not land on foreign soil, no import laws would apply. As far as smuggling them on board a spacecraft, I don't believe there's any law against doing so. There were probably NASA flight rules that were violated, or at least stretched rather severely, but that's not the same thing. Similarly, the Russian cosmonauts who smuggled various alcoholic beverages onto their spacecraft would probably not have been breaking any laws by doing so. They would just be risking reprimands from their bosses. Alcoholic beverages have been sent into space on several occasions with the full consent of the space agencies involved. I believe Guinness ran an experiment to see if they could make the famous nitrogenation process for their beer work properly in space, but I believe steps were taken to ensure that it could not be actually consumed on orbit. More notably, one of the Apollo crews (Apollo 8?) was provided with a small amount of brandy for their Christmas dinner -- and that *was* consumed in space. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> "People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect, but actually from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint it's more like a big ball of wibbly wobbly . . . timey wimey . . . stuff." -- The Tenth Doctor, "Blink" </div>

ashish27 · Nov 27, 2007

Humans of the future are currently browsing this thread! <img src="/images/icons/laugh.gif" /> So be careful

shadow735 · Nov 27, 2007

So has anyone had sex in space, zero gravity sex? or is space still a virgin? <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

CalliArcale · Nov 27, 2007

No one has admitted to it, anyway. <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" /> I don't believe that it has happened yet, personally. But sooner or later, especially with the advent of space tourism, it's inevitable. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> "People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect, but actually from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint it's more like a big ball of wibbly wobbly . . . timey wimey . . . stuff." -- The Tenth Doctor, "Blink" </div>

vogon13 · Nov 27, 2007

The cucumber sure ain't talking . . . <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> TPTB went to Dallas and all I got was Plucked !!So many people, so few recipes !!Let's clean up this stinkhole !! </div>

adrenalynn · Nov 27, 2007

Speculation, of course, but considering the mixed-sex nature of many of the crews, I would be floored and flabbergasted to learn that intercourse had not yet been performed in space. I couldn't begin to imagine that it hadn't... Heck, even if you're not particularly fond of the guy - there's a lot worse places for a one-night-stand, as it were. Mix in a little Guinness and it suddenly becomes a no-brainer. <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> .bipartisan (bī-pär'tĭ-zən, -sən) [Adj.] Maintaining the ability to blame republications when your stimulus plan proves to be a devastating failure.IMPEACH OBAMA! </div>

pyoko · Nov 27, 2007

I seem to remember hearing that a couple have had sex in space. Can't recall which. Maybe it's not true. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> -pyoko the duck It is by will alone I set my mind in motion. </div>

Boris_Badenov · Nov 27, 2007

A married couple did go up on the Shuttle. <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" /> Jan Davis: Jan was born in Cocoa Beach, Fla but calls Huntsville Ala her home.She enjoys in her leisure: flying, ice skating, aerobics, bicycling, snow skiing, water sports, and needlework and is a member of the Lakeview Quilters Guild. She is a volunteer Girl Scout troop assistant leader. She is married to Astronaut Mark Lee, after they fell in love and got married while training for STS84. Because they were so far along in their training, NASA reluctantly made an exception to its policy barring married couples from flying together. They were the first married couple in space (and did not have their own sleeping quarters despite many rumors...). We watched this mission. There were 2 "teams", who worked opposite shifts. Mark and Jan were on opposite shifts. I wonder why? link <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <div align="center">. </div><div align="center">Never roll in the mud with a pig. You'll both get dirty & the pig likes it.</div> </div>

billslugg · Nov 27, 2007

Dr. Shannon Lucid spent 6 months in Mir with Yuri Onufrienko and Yuri Usachev. Prior to her arrival they would take turns putting a hand on the other guy's knee and saying: "It get's mightly loneeeely up here...!" <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

adrenalynn · Nov 27, 2007

Six months... One has to wonder how much the story rights on "first baby conceived in space" would be worth. Assuming you're only going to get to fly once, most likely, it might almost be worth throwing away a career over... <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> .bipartisan (bī-pär'tĭ-zən, -sən) [Adj.] Maintaining the ability to blame republications when your stimulus plan proves to be a devastating failure.IMPEACH OBAMA! </div>

billslugg · Nov 27, 2007

Dr. Lucid was past menopause, no book for her! It is thought that in the absence of gravity, the fertilized egg will not descend the fallopian tubes properly and an ectopic pregnancy might result. Not a good thing to have happen in any event but especially 200 miles up. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

adrenalynn · Nov 28, 2007

All in the name of science - but agreed - there's certainly more risk. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> .bipartisan (bī-pär'tĭ-zən, -sən) [Adj.] Maintaining the ability to blame republications when your stimulus plan proves to be a devastating failure.IMPEACH OBAMA! </div>

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