SpaceX Falcon I - Flight 3 Launch Failure T+2:20

Swampcat · May 16, 2008

SpaceX Targets Late June for Next Rocket Launch Attempt No specific launch date, so nothing really new in this article. This just confirms that the launch vehicle is being put together at Kwajalein and SpaceX expects a launch attempt for "approximately the last week of June." EDIT:  Swamp, I've edited your thread title to reflect today's launch attempt/failure.  SK  <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/13/2/4d352f16-39e0-4f7b-925e-adf62704c230.Medium.gif" alt="" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> ------------------------------------------------------------------- "I hold it that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing, and as necessary in the political world as storms in the physical. Unsuccessful rebellions, indeed, generally establish the encroachments on the rights of the people which have produced them. An observation of this truth should render honest republican governors so mild in their punishment of rebellions as not to discourage them too much. It is a medicine necessary for the sound health of government."Thomas Jefferson </div>

Swampcat · May 16, 2008

SpaceX Targets Late June for Next Rocket Launch Attempt No specific launch date, so nothing really new in this article. This just confirms that the launch vehicle is being put together at Kwajalein and SpaceX expects a launch attempt for "approximately the last week of June." EDIT:  Swamp, I've edited your thread title to reflect today's launch attempt/failure.  SK  <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/13/2/4d352f16-39e0-4f7b-925e-adf62704c230.Medium.gif" alt="" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> ------------------------------------------------------------------- "I hold it that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing, and as necessary in the political world as storms in the physical. Unsuccessful rebellions, indeed, generally establish the encroachments on the rights of the people which have produced them. An observation of this truth should render honest republican governors so mild in their punishment of rebellions as not to discourage them too much. It is a medicine necessary for the sound health of government."Thomas Jefferson </div>

docm · May 16, 2008

June 24th is my birthday, and I can think of no better present than for them to shut their critics up <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/content/scripts/tinymce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-wink.gif" border="0" alt="Wink" title="Wink" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

docm · May 16, 2008

June 24th is my birthday, and I can think of no better present than for them to shut their critics up <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/content/scripts/tinymce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-wink.gif" border="0" alt="Wink" title="Wink" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

Boris_Badenov · May 17, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>June 24th is my birthday, and I can think of no better present than for them to shut their critics up Posted by docm</DIV>My bday is the Fourth of July, a short delay until then might not be so bad. And having the naysayers shut their mouths even for a little while would be even better.   <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <div align="center">. </div><div align="center">Never roll in the mud with a pig. You'll both get dirty & the pig likes it.</div> </div>

Boris_Badenov · May 17, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>June 24th is my birthday, and I can think of no better present than for them to shut their critics up Posted by docm</DIV>My bday is the Fourth of July, a short delay until then might not be so bad. And having the naysayers shut their mouths even for a little while would be even better.   <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <div align="center">. </div><div align="center">Never roll in the mud with a pig. You'll both get dirty & the pig likes it.</div> </div>

frodo1008 · May 17, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>June 24th is my birthday, and I can think of no better present than for them to shut their critics up Posted by docm</DIV> Actually, what is indeed very good is to see Elon Musk himself become more of a realist (his own best naysayer?).  He now realizes (unlike some of his more cheerleader like supporters) that being a success in the business of placing payloads into orbit is not anywhere as easy as he once thought it was going to be.  There is NO “UNDU” button on a rocket headed for space!! If those of us that actually dedicated ourselves to building the hardware for the space program are so realistic as to be called naysayers, then so be it!  This particular naysayer would be just overjoyed to have spacex as will as t-space, Bigelow, and all the other pure private efforts become more than successful!   However, what we don't do is to knock those companies such as Boeing, LM (and now the melding of the two into ULA).  Further, neither do we knock them for the high costs, this IS an expensive business.  The main reason for the high cost is the fact that such launches have absolutely NO room for failure.  That kind of quality assurance control will always be somewhat expensive.  Of course, such companies as Boeing and LM also HAVE to make profits as they have to answer to literally millions of stockholders.  You can NOT have launch failures without cutting into profits. Again, if admitting this is being a naysayer, then I guess I and those with true experience in the industry are guilty as charged.  Sorry, (and I don’t take it personally) if that upsets some people, but it IS the truth!!

frodo1008 · May 17, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>June 24th is my birthday, and I can think of no better present than for them to shut their critics up Posted by docm</DIV> Actually, what is indeed very good is to see Elon Musk himself become more of a realist (his own best naysayer?).  He now realizes (unlike some of his more cheerleader like supporters) that being a success in the business of placing payloads into orbit is not anywhere as easy as he once thought it was going to be.  There is NO “UNDU” button on a rocket headed for space!! If those of us that actually dedicated ourselves to building the hardware for the space program are so realistic as to be called naysayers, then so be it!  This particular naysayer would be just overjoyed to have spacex as will as t-space, Bigelow, and all the other pure private efforts become more than successful!   However, what we don't do is to knock those companies such as Boeing, LM (and now the melding of the two into ULA).  Further, neither do we knock them for the high costs, this IS an expensive business.  The main reason for the high cost is the fact that such launches have absolutely NO room for failure.  That kind of quality assurance control will always be somewhat expensive.  Of course, such companies as Boeing and LM also HAVE to make profits as they have to answer to literally millions of stockholders.  You can NOT have launch failures without cutting into profits. Again, if admitting this is being a naysayer, then I guess I and those with true experience in the industry are guilty as charged.  Sorry, (and I don’t take it personally) if that upsets some people, but it IS the truth!!

space_dreamer · May 21, 2008

There is NO “UNDU” button on a rocket headed for space!!  Which is why reusable Space planes/rocket planes are better. If there’s something wrong with the engine, switch it off fly/glide back to the runway.   XCOR Aerospace’s Lynx will prove that.

space_dreamer · May 21, 2008

There is NO “UNDU” button on a rocket headed for space!!  Which is why reusable Space planes/rocket planes are better. If there’s something wrong with the engine, switch it off fly/glide back to the runway.   XCOR Aerospace’s Lynx will prove that.

space_dreamer · May 21, 2008

OK – I’m just day dreaming now but, would it be possible to modify a Falcon 1 rocket? Add small wings, undercarriage and upgraded guidance and you have a fly back booster. (The rocket engines were designed to be reusable.)    More weight and more drag means less payload but you get to use the rocket again.  Once the concept has been proved SpaceX could make the same changes to Falcon 9.

space_dreamer · May 21, 2008

OK – I’m just day dreaming now but, would it be possible to modify a Falcon 1 rocket? Add small wings, undercarriage and upgraded guidance and you have a fly back booster. (The rocket engines were designed to be reusable.)    More weight and more drag means less payload but you get to use the rocket again.  Once the concept has been proved SpaceX could make the same changes to Falcon 9.

docm · May 21, 2008

<address>I Win! (I think)</address>Rumor is that SpaceX's Larry Williams announced this morning that the F1 launch date is June 24th, my birthday. <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/6/10/36aeba62-a6a5-4169-baf3-da1a8dfd23ea.Medium.gif" alt="" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

docm · May 21, 2008

<address>I Win! (I think)</address>Rumor is that SpaceX's Larry Williams announced this morning that the F1 launch date is June 24th, my birthday. <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/6/10/36aeba62-a6a5-4169-baf3-da1a8dfd23ea.Medium.gif" alt="" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

Cygnus_2112 · May 21, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>OK – I’m just day dreaming now but, would it be possible to modify a Falcon 1 rocket? Add small wings, undercarriage and upgraded guidance and you have a fly back booster. (The rocket engines were designed to be reusable.)    More weight and more drag means less payload but you get to use the rocket again.  Once the concept has been proved SpaceX could make the same changes to Falcon 9.   Posted by space_dreamer</DIV> it would be little or no capability for payload, hence no reason to fly.  No reason for all the expense since the flight rate is low.  Reusability doesn't make sense for low flight rates   A flyback needs to be designed from the ground up and not from an existing ELV

Cygnus_2112 · May 21, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>OK – I’m just day dreaming now but, would it be possible to modify a Falcon 1 rocket? Add small wings, undercarriage and upgraded guidance and you have a fly back booster. (The rocket engines were designed to be reusable.)    More weight and more drag means less payload but you get to use the rocket again.  Once the concept has been proved SpaceX could make the same changes to Falcon 9.   Posted by space_dreamer</DIV> it would be little or no capability for payload, hence no reason to fly.  No reason for all the expense since the flight rate is low.  Reusability doesn't make sense for low flight rates   A flyback needs to be designed from the ground up and not from an existing ELV

samkent · May 21, 2008

How much was each launch expected to cost back in the beginning vs the reality of now?

samkent · May 21, 2008

How much was each launch expected to cost back in the beginning vs the reality of now?

shuttle_guy · May 23, 2008

Today is the 23rd and no news from SpaceX. They had planned to get a launch date and announce it 30 days from launch. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

shuttle_guy · May 23, 2008

Today is the 23rd and no news from SpaceX. They had planned to get a launch date and announce it 30 days from launch. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

Swampcat · May 23, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Today is the 23rd and no news from SpaceX. They had planned to get a launch date and announce it 30 days from launch. Posted by shuttle_guy</DIV> Yeah, I've been checking the SpaceX website regularly to see if they had made any kind of announcement. Nothing. And it hasn't shown up on SpaceFlightNow.com's launch schedule.Some kind of announcement needs to be forthcoming soon if they plan on launching by the end of June. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> ------------------------------------------------------------------- "I hold it that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing, and as necessary in the political world as storms in the physical. Unsuccessful rebellions, indeed, generally establish the encroachments on the rights of the people which have produced them. An observation of this truth should render honest republican governors so mild in their punishment of rebellions as not to discourage them too much. It is a medicine necessary for the sound health of government."Thomas Jefferson </div>

Swampcat · May 23, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Today is the 23rd and no news from SpaceX. They had planned to get a launch date and announce it 30 days from launch. Posted by shuttle_guy</DIV> Yeah, I've been checking the SpaceX website regularly to see if they had made any kind of announcement. Nothing. And it hasn't shown up on SpaceFlightNow.com's launch schedule.Some kind of announcement needs to be forthcoming soon if they plan on launching by the end of June. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> ------------------------------------------------------------------- "I hold it that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing, and as necessary in the political world as storms in the physical. Unsuccessful rebellions, indeed, generally establish the encroachments on the rights of the people which have produced them. An observation of this truth should render honest republican governors so mild in their punishment of rebellions as not to discourage them too much. It is a medicine necessary for the sound health of government."Thomas Jefferson </div>

shuttle_guy · May 23, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Yeah, I've been checking the SpaceX website regularly to see if they had made any kind of announcement. Nothing. And it hasn't shown up on SpaceFlightNow.com's launch schedule.Some kind of announcement needs to be forthcoming soon if they plan on launching by the end of June. Posted by Swampcat</DIV>You can sign up for the SpaceX e-mail status reports on their web site. They send the e-mail out when they update the web site. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

shuttle_guy · May 23, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Yeah, I've been checking the SpaceX website regularly to see if they had made any kind of announcement. Nothing. And it hasn't shown up on SpaceFlightNow.com's launch schedule.Some kind of announcement needs to be forthcoming soon if they plan on launching by the end of June. Posted by Swampcat</DIV>You can sign up for the SpaceX e-mail status reports on their web site. They send the e-mail out when they update the web site. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

Boris_Badenov · May 23, 2008

It says the launch is on the 24th of June on the NSF Forum.NASA Space Flight Forum <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <div align="center">. </div><div align="center">Never roll in the mud with a pig. You'll both get dirty & the pig likes it.</div> </div>

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