Speed of Light + Mass Question

[treva00023]

It is said that Mass increases with speed, reaching infinity at Speed=C<br />If Mass Increases to near Infinity would it collapse into a black-hole?

 

[Saiph]

that is unfortunately a misnomer.<br /><br />What increases is the <i>inertia</i> of an object. Typically this is a good measure of mass as mass and inertia are the same thing according to Newton.<br /><br />Gravitationally all that matters is the "rest" mass, or the actually mass associated with the matter when in a stationary frame of reference. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p align="center"><font color="#c0c0c0"><br /></font></p><p align="center"><font color="#999999"><em><font size="1">--------</font></em></font><font color="#999999"><em><font size="1">--------</font></em></font><font color="#999999"><em><font size="1">----</font></em></font><font color="#666699">SaiphMOD@gmail.com </font><font color="#999999"><em><font size="1">-------------------</font></em></font></p><p><font color="#999999"><em><font size="1">"This is my Timey Wimey Detector.  Goes "bing" when there's stuff.  It also fries eggs at 30 paces, wether you want it to or not actually.  I've learned to stay away from hens: It's not pretty when they blow" -- </font></em></font><font size="1" color="#999999">The Tenth Doctor, "Blink"</font></p> </div>

 

[vogon13]

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[Saiph]

no, just the standard question of what does it mean to say your "mass" increases with velocity. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p align="center"><font color="#c0c0c0"><br /></font></p><p align="center"><font color="#999999"><em><font size="1">--------</font></em></font><font color="#999999"><em><font size="1">--------</font></em></font><font color="#999999"><em><font size="1">----</font></em></font><font color="#666699">SaiphMOD@gmail.com </font><font color="#999999"><em><font size="1">-------------------</font></em></font></p><p><font color="#999999"><em><font size="1">"This is my Timey Wimey Detector.  Goes "bing" when there's stuff.  It also fries eggs at 30 paces, wether you want it to or not actually.  I've learned to stay away from hens: It's not pretty when they blow" -- </font></em></font><font size="1" color="#999999">The Tenth Doctor, "Blink"</font></p> </div>

 

[newtonian]

Treva00023 - Can you post where you get mass increasing with speed?<br /><br />I seem to remember that length increases with speed.<br /><br />But that is all relative.<br /><br />Speed of light is an upper limit on the fabric of space, but the fabric of space itself seems to have no upper limit to speed.<br /><br />Compare inflation theory.

 

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[newtonian]

Hi spaceman (speed of light)! I hope you have a nice day also.<br /><br />A very interesting link.<br /><br />I remember that FTL experiment at Princeton, and another interesting eye-opening one - alas I forget the latter!<br /><br />On the former, your link notes:<br /><br />In a paper dated 19 July 2000 A team of scientists announced that they had succeeded in sending a pulse of light through a special chamber at a velocity faster than the speed of light. Scientists from the NEC Research Institute in Princeton, New Jersey, explain how they sent a pulse of light through a six centimetre chamber containing an unnatural form of cesium at the even more unnatural temperature of nearly absolute zero. The pulse of light travelled so fast that its peak actually exited the cesium chamber slightly before it entered. "No intuitive way to explain this observed effect precisely can be found because the 'specially prepared' atomic cell (cesium chamber) is in a state that does not exist naturally," write researchers Lijun Wang, Alexander Kuzmich and Arthur Dogariu in a statement. The team is quick to point out that their work does not violate Einstein's Theory of Special Relativity, which states that nothing can travel faster than the speed of light, because this would entail going backward in time. "More or less you can't go faster than the speed of light," said Wang. But the restriction that applies to things made of matter does not apply to light waves.<br /><br />In fact, it was by using the waves of different colours of light to amplify each other and create the pulse that the researchers were able to get the light to warp through the cesium cell and reconstruct itself on the other side before it had entered. According to the researchers, the experiment also does not violate the principle of causality, which requires the cause of any effect to precede it in time. The fact that the peak of the pulse of light exits the chamber before it enters is the result of the light waves building

 

[jatslo]

<font face="verdana">Length contraction and time dilation are effects of velocity; however, the energy is equivalent to larger masses of matter, in which larger masses of matter is an illusion.<br /><br /><br />I can produce evidence, or you take take saiph's word for it. <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" /></font>

 

[newtonian]

jatslo - Yes, it is an illusion based on frame of reference - but the illusion follows precise mathematical prediction based on relativity theory.<br /><br />Please, post the evidence - I'm all ears!<br /><br />Are you saying that the FTL Princeton experiment was an illusion also?<br /><br />What of tachyons?

 

[jatslo]

<blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr /><p>FTL Princeton experiment<p><hr /></p></p></blockquote>Hold that thought, I am kind of busy ATM. BTW... How are you? Nice to meet you.

 

[jatslo]

Newtonian asked, "<font face="verdana"><font color="yellow">What of tachyons?</font><br /><br />I need to get better organized, so I don't have to keep looking this stuff up; here's one answer:<br /><br />Evidence states, "<font color="orange">Hypothetical elementary particle that travels only at speeds exceeding that of light ( REF#184894891891 ).</font></font>

 

[newtonian]

jatslo - Thanks for the link to another encyclopedia. The more the merrier!

 

[jatslo]

What is wrong with the encyclopedia and dictionary? Would you rather see papers from my university?<br /><br />