Star Trek "Enterprise"

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bdewoody

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Now that Enterprise has been introduced on the Sci-Fi channel and run in chronological order for the most part I've been trying to watch it and figure out to my satisfaction why it flopped.<br /><br />In other words make it more like the original series. Since it was originally planned to run 5 years the must have had plot outlines beyond the 3rd year that could have been used to create a more interesting show.<br /><br />Most people place the blame on Scott Baccula not being the right actor for the job and to a point I agree his selection was a major factor, but I think the biggest reason was their decision to make the temporal war the background overriding theme.<br /><br />I think that if they had employed creative enough writers who concentrated on a concept of the successes and failures of first contacts and possibly early scirmishes with Klingons and Romulans the show might have been more successful. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <em><font size="2">Bob DeWoody</font></em> </div>
 
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MeteorWayne

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I agree, the temporal war was when I started to lose interest....though I did check in for the eye candy <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080"><em><font color="#000000">But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id.</font></em> </font></p><p><font color="#000080">I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function</font><font color="#000080"> </font></p> </div>
 
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I think the biggest problem wasn't the actual show it's self, as I quite enjoyed it. But rather the crappy station it was on, which is now defunct. And the horrible time slot it got. I'm sorry but if you want to appeal to a larger audience than just the treker die hards, don't put your show on a network less than 25% of the US can see, and surely don't put it on Friday nights. <br /><br />Even die hard Treker geeks do like to go out on the weekends after all... <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <font color="#ff0000"><u><em>Don't let your sig line incite a gay thread ;>)</em></u></font> </div>
 
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mattblack

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I thought 'Enterprise' was a good show, but certainly not great, that needed to take a few more risks. However, I liked it better than 'Voyager' which I consider to be the Trek show that LEAST fulfilled it's potential.<br /><br />'Enterprise's failure I'm convinced is most to do with 'Trek fatigue'. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p> </p><p>One Percent of Federal Funding For Space: America <strong><em><u>CAN</u></em></strong> Afford it!!  LEO is a <strong><em>Prison</em></strong> -- It's time for a <em><strong>JAILBREAK</strong></em>!!</p> </div>
 
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Enterprise wasn't perfect by any means. <br /><br />But it deserved better than to be shunned by die-hards and abandoned by UPN, who chose to let it whither and die on the vine.<br /><br />I for one was very impressed by the fourth and final season of Enterprise, and I wish Manny Coto was involved in the execution of Star Trek XI. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>
 
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vagueship

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Subject: Re: Star Trek "Enterprise" <br />Bacula definately wasn't the best choice for captain. He didn't seem to have the command attitude that the other captains had. <br /><br />So far as blaming failure on the Friday night slot, the show was moved to Friday night because of it's feable viewership in the first place. <br /><br />Writing? Jolene Blalock went with this one. I believe it was in TV Guide that she said the series didn't have a chance with the writing. She didn't like the final episode at all. I didn't either. Using Troi and Riker was like slapping Enterprise in the face and saying we don't want anything to do with you. <br /><br />
 
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willpittenger

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<blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr /><p>Most people place the blame on Scott Baccula not being the right actor for the job and to a point I agree his selection was a major factor.<p><hr /></p></p></blockquote><br />Actually, once the series started, I thought he did a good job. He was better cast than Picard was. I never liked the idea of a Englishman playing someone French. Stewart only partially succeeded in that aspect. If nothing else, his accent was British -- not French. Even so, other than that, he was well liked.<br /><br />Prior to the series, when I heard Scott Baccula was going to command an Enterprise, I immediately thought about Quantum Leap. Dr. Sam Beckett leaping into a starship Captain. We are talking about the past after all (relative to Kirk). Too bad it would have been after Beckett's probable death had he never leapt into our time frame (of when the series aired). <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <hr style="margin-top:0.5em;margin-bottom:0.5em" />Will Pittenger<hr style="margin-top:0.5em;margin-bottom:0.5em" />Add this user box to your Wikipedia User Page to show your support for the SDC forums: <div style="margin-left:1em">{{User:Will Pittenger/User Boxes/Space.com Account}}</div> </div>
 
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willpittenger

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<blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr /><p>surely don't put it on Friday nights.<br /><br />Even die hard Treker geeks do like to go out on the weekends after all...<p><hr /></p></p></blockquote><br />We all know about history repeating itself. (That is how NBC killed the original series.) However, I had a fix for that: namely my Panasonic ShowStopper. ("It's stupendous. It's amazing. It's show stopping.") It might be ancient now as PVRs go, but it did the job. Still does. (I think the hard drive is going though. To bad.) <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <hr style="margin-top:0.5em;margin-bottom:0.5em" />Will Pittenger<hr style="margin-top:0.5em;margin-bottom:0.5em" />Add this user box to your Wikipedia User Page to show your support for the SDC forums: <div style="margin-left:1em">{{User:Will Pittenger/User Boxes/Space.com Account}}</div> </div>
 
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willpittenger

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<blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr /><p>Baccula definitely wasn't the best choice for captain. He didn't seem to have the command attitude that the other captains had.<p><hr /></p></p></blockquote><br />Actually, I think you were seeing how Captain Archer's personality was scripted. I suspect that he was created to be an easy going likable man in the mold of Will Riker.<br /><br /><blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr /><p>She didn't like the final episode at all. I didn't either. Using Troi and Riker was like slapping Enterprise in the face and saying we don't want anything to do with you.<p><hr /></p></p></blockquote><br />My problems with the final episode had nothing to do with the TNG aspects. Rather, I saw that as a chance to integrate the series. Until that point, we had heard nothing about Archer, the NX-01, or Vulcan's internal problems with the so called "terrorists" from any of the "future" series. And yet, all the previous captains would have known about the crew of the NX-01 and studied their adventures.<br /><br />What I did not like was how it?<li>It was set so far after the previous episode. That other episode had Archer making that grand speech before some sort of committee to hash something out. If not the Federation Accords, then what? What took 6 years?<li>No one got any promotions -- after 10 years!!!!!<li>The Federation's apparent attitude that "We don't need the old NX-01 anymore".<li>Trip's death was something that I saw no reason for other than to create some excitement.</li></li></li></li> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <hr style="margin-top:0.5em;margin-bottom:0.5em" />Will Pittenger<hr style="margin-top:0.5em;margin-bottom:0.5em" />Add this user box to your Wikipedia User Page to show your support for the SDC forums: <div style="margin-left:1em">{{User:Will Pittenger/User Boxes/Space.com Account}}</div> </div>
 
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vogon13

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Enterprise is also running in high definition on Mark Cuban's excellent HDN channel.<br /><br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#ff0000"><strong>TPTB went to Dallas and all I got was Plucked !!</strong></font></p><p><font color="#339966"><strong>So many people, so few recipes !!</strong></font></p><p><font color="#0000ff"><strong>Let's clean up this stinkhole !!</strong></font> </p> </div>
 
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lampblack

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<font color="yellow">I think the biggest problem wasn't the actual show it's self, as I quite enjoyed it. But rather the crappy station it was on, which is now defunct. And the horrible time slot it got. I'm sorry but if you want to appeal to a larger audience than just the treker die hards, don't put your show on a network less than 25% of the US can see, and surely don't put it on Friday nights.</font><br /><br />I believe that is a valid point. I myself have only seen two -- yes, precisely two -- episodes of "Enterprise" for the simple reason that it did not air on any broadcast stations within reach of my television's rabbit ears. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <font color="#0000ff"><strong>Just tell the truth and let the chips fall...</strong></font> </div>
 
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yevaud

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Insufficient reason. Doctor Who was generally aired in the US on Public Television stations with low power. Yet millions upon millions watched it. Why didn't the "Enterprise" fans do the same, despite the difficulties?<br /><br />I agree with the idea that the audience was growing apathetic. And also with Bakula's character being too tepid. <br /><br />And, frankly, many of the plots were pretty tepid as well. It was like watching a copy of Classic Trek, with additional inuendos added and lousy copies of the original crew.<br /><br />I think any of us could have come up with a far superior idea for the "new" Trek series, rather than what we all watched instead. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em>Differential Diagnosis:  </em>"<strong><em>I am both amused and annoyed that you think I should be less stubborn than you are</em></strong>."<br /> </p> </div>
 
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willpittenger

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I should note that I heard of stories outside the US were Enterprise was either unavailable or delayed. One Canadian would-be viewer griped that there were no UPN stations at all in Canada. An Australian viewer told me he was still on Season 2 -- and I had just seen how the series ended. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <hr style="margin-top:0.5em;margin-bottom:0.5em" />Will Pittenger<hr style="margin-top:0.5em;margin-bottom:0.5em" />Add this user box to your Wikipedia User Page to show your support for the SDC forums: <div style="margin-left:1em">{{User:Will Pittenger/User Boxes/Space.com Account}}</div> </div>
 
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So from what everyone is saying, it certainly seems as though "Enterprise" died from a lack of imagination.<br /><br />I watched the good Doctor on PBS back in the '80s. That show had the advantage -- despite the cheesy special effects -- of above-average writing coupled with interesting characters. If "Enterprise" lacked either decent writing or interesting characters (and I haven't really seen enough of it really to opine), then it deserved to die. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <font color="#0000ff"><strong>Just tell the truth and let the chips fall...</strong></font> </div>
 
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MeteorWayne

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It's hard for you in the big city to imagine how hard over the air can be. I'm sufficiently far from NYC and Philly that antenna reception requires extrordinary efforts, i.e. from my location a tower and rotor.<br />That's why I have cable <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080"><em><font color="#000000">But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id.</font></em> </font></p><p><font color="#000080">I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function</font><font color="#000080"> </font></p> </div>
 
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Aetius

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Tell it, Brother Meteor. <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" /><br /> <br />We live at the bottom of a river valley, far from major cities. Even with a powerful antenna coupled with a rotor to point it, we get maybe two or three TV channels...with poor to fair signal reception.<br /><br />We used to have satellite TV, but I didn't have the heart to mutilate a beautiful and stately maple tree which had grown to block the receiver dish. We switched to digital cable instead, and I've been delighted with it ever since.
 
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MeteorWayne

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I'm still too cheap for digital.<br />When I buy the HDTV, I guess I'll have no choice <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080"><em><font color="#000000">But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id.</font></em> </font></p><p><font color="#000080">I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function</font><font color="#000080"> </font></p> </div>
 
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willpittenger

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Ditto. I see little use for the exclusive channels. I have always settled for the so-called "Expanded Basic" option. I never even get HBO. 15 million channels? No thanks.<br /><br />As for the programming guides offered by digital and satellite, I already have that. My PVR has it for free. As long as I own it and the PVR works, my subscription is good. (Unless the company goes under anyway. SonicBlue already did that. So whoever handles my guide has changed hands several times.) <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <hr style="margin-top:0.5em;margin-bottom:0.5em" />Will Pittenger<hr style="margin-top:0.5em;margin-bottom:0.5em" />Add this user box to your Wikipedia User Page to show your support for the SDC forums: <div style="margin-left:1em">{{User:Will Pittenger/User Boxes/Space.com Account}}</div> </div>
 
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yevaud

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Wayne, Aetius:<br /><br />Lived in many places around the US and elsewhere in my lifetime. This is not unknown to me, believe me. Hell, for a time I lived in a trailer in Hueco Tanks (near El Paso / Fort Bliss) in a trailer, and that was a ways out.<br /><br />What I meant was, in the aggregate, there should have been a much larger audience. Reception black holes notwithstanding. <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" /> <br /><br />Enterprise was just plain <i>tepid</i>. Lukewarm. There were few plots where acting, characters, plot, and filmation were synchronously spot-on, and you ended the episode you'd just watched, saying "Excellent!"<br /><br />I heard a rumor a few years before the airing of Enterprise, that a plot had been floated to make the new series plot about a tramp cargo ship that traveled and traded around the Federation and elsewhere.<br /><br />If so, too damned bad they didn't do that one. They might have actually pulled it off. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em>Differential Diagnosis:  </em>"<strong><em>I am both amused and annoyed that you think I should be less stubborn than you are</em></strong>."<br /> </p> </div>
 
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vogon13

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I don't think constipation will be a problem in the 23rd century. They will have a particle burst or tractor beam of some kind . . .<br /><br /><br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#ff0000"><strong>TPTB went to Dallas and all I got was Plucked !!</strong></font></p><p><font color="#339966"><strong>So many people, so few recipes !!</strong></font></p><p><font color="#0000ff"><strong>Let's clean up this stinkhole !!</strong></font> </p> </div>
 
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vogon13

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Aye, she's packin' quite a wallop!<br /><br />Damage control teams to Spock's bif on the double!<br /><br /><br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#ff0000"><strong>TPTB went to Dallas and all I got was Plucked !!</strong></font></p><p><font color="#339966"><strong>So many people, so few recipes !!</strong></font></p><p><font color="#0000ff"><strong>Let's clean up this stinkhole !!</strong></font> </p> </div>
 
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lsbd

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Off topic, but my sister ate a can of blue play-doh once when she was about 3. didn't seem to stop her up
 
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willpittenger

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Actually, it seems the people who invented it knew it would be eaten by children. So they made it fully edible. However, unless you were starving with absolutely nothing else to eat, I would not recommend it. Playdough might not have much taste or nutritional value. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <hr style="margin-top:0.5em;margin-bottom:0.5em" />Will Pittenger<hr style="margin-top:0.5em;margin-bottom:0.5em" />Add this user box to your Wikipedia User Page to show your support for the SDC forums: <div style="margin-left:1em">{{User:Will Pittenger/User Boxes/Space.com Account}}</div> </div>
 
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<blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr /><p>Music is <i>really</i> important to the enjoyment of a show, IMO.<p><hr /></p></p></blockquote><br />Then tell Paramount to hire John Williams. George Lucas likes him. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <hr style="margin-top:0.5em;margin-bottom:0.5em" />Will Pittenger<hr style="margin-top:0.5em;margin-bottom:0.5em" />Add this user box to your Wikipedia User Page to show your support for the SDC forums: <div style="margin-left:1em">{{User:Will Pittenger/User Boxes/Space.com Account}}</div> </div>
 
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