Starship Troopers 3.. are they KIDDING??

kelvinzero · Dec 22, 2008

I cant quite make up my mind..Was this(a) An incredibly ham-fisted religious propaganda movie(b) A cutting 'Team america' style satire.(c) A director who got paid for an (a) but made a (b), safe in the knowledge that his sponsors have no concept of irony.

docm · Dec 22, 2008

IMO its biggest sin was not having Jolene Blalock do an apreciable nude scene.  I had such hopes....maybe in the directors cut 'eh? <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/content/scripts/tinymce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-wink.gif" border="0" alt="Wink" title="Wink" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

elguapoguano · Dec 22, 2008

3! When the heck did they make Starship Troopers 2? <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Don't let your sig line incite a gay thread ;>) </div>

yevaud · Dec 22, 2008

The entire trilogy was a ham-fisted hack of RAH's ideas anyways.  But truth be told, I found Starship Troopers Two to be the most ludicrous, half-assed movie possible! <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Differential Diagnosis: "I am both amused and annoyed that you think I should be less stubborn than you are." </div>

Mee_n_Mac · Dec 22, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>The entire trilogy was a ham-fisted hack of RAH's ideas anyways.  But truth be told, I found Starship Troopers Two to be the most ludicrous, half-assed movie possible! Posted by yevaud</DIV> But it did have FFN of Kelly Carlson ! <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> -----------------------------------------------------Ask not what your Forum Software can do do on you,Ask it to, please for the love of all that's Holy, STOP ! </div>

kelvinzero · Dec 22, 2008

Dont watch no.2Im actually interested to know why they chose to call that a sequel. I think a real sequel would have made easy money, just throw in more 3d effects, armored suits etc. Instead they totally devalued the brand name.I knew pretty much what I was walking into with no.3. .. actually 3 was ok as a bargain bin straight-to-dvd sci-fi. Just the religious elements were odd.Im tending towards thinking the religion references were entirely satirical. This was actually my impression of the first movie also. It annoyed heinlein fans so much because it was in fact a satire on heinleinian politics.The twist to the first movie was that it turns out to be a wartime propaganda movie made by a jack-booted government which must always find ways of killing large numbers of people who try to gain citizen rights through service, or risk losing its power to what is effectively a democracy.These cheap movies with effects coming out actually do interest me because im thinking at some point we will be able to get some good indie examples not trying desparately to make its gazzillion buck budget back in the first week, but actually have something to say.I wonder if the mars society or moon society could put together a bgrade movie like this?

a_lost_packet_ · Dec 24, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>... This was actually my impression of the first movie also. It annoyed heinlein fans so much because it was in fact a satire on heinleinian politics.The twist to the first movie was that it turns out to be a wartime propaganda movie made by a jack-booted government which must always find ways of killing large numbers of people who try to gain citizen rights through service, or risk losing its power to what is effectively a democracy...Posted by kelvinzero</DIV>IMO, entirely correct.I actually liked the first movie because of its over-the-top portrayal of the polical system and the rigid, almost caste-like structure in the society.  Being able to vote was viewed as unnecessary by the protagonist's parents and, maybe even somewhat passe' as education was seen as being more important.  The propoganda commercials in the movie were excellent, IMO!At first glance, I wasn't overly enthusiastic about it.  But, it sort of grew on me.  It doesn't rate up there with the really good sci-fi movies, IMO.  But, it has its place and is pretty likeable if you are willing to suspend disbelief and roll with the satirical punches.ST2 I didn't see more than a few minutes of and have no desire to see the whole thing.  I'm not sure I'd want to see ST3 either.I'm waiting for Steakley's "Armor 2" and a possible movie deal based on "Armor."  <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> I put on my robe and wizard hat... </div>

kelvinzero · Dec 24, 2008

btw while trying to find out what the story was with ST3, I discovered there had also been an anime version http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starship_Troopers_(OVA)Never seen it though.

BoJangles · Dec 24, 2008

I actually mildly enjoyed the first starship troopers, mainly because i had no expectations and there was nothing better on tv.So then i decided to get the other 2 movies, i  couldn't even watch the 2nd and 3rd they were so bgrade. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> -------------- Let me start out with the standard disclaimer ... I am an idiot, I know almost nothing, I haven’t taken calculus, I don’t work for NASA, and I am one-quarter Bulgarian sheep dog. With that out of the way, I have several stupid questions... *** A few months blogging can save a few hours in research *** </div>

schmack · Dec 24, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>I actually mildly enjoyed the first starship troopers, mainly because i had no expectations and there was nothing better on tv.So then i decided to get the other 2 movies, i  couldn't even watch the 2nd and 3rd they were so bgrade. Posted by Manwh0re</DIV> LOL, i now feel some shame at admitting that i actually enjoyed all of the starship troopers movies! It's a nice easy going escape for a few hours. And the brutality is masterfully made into comedy. I can't help but laugh my self silly at the bodies flying around and the 60's style screams as people are killed and the way they die; The victims all but lay there with their tongues poking out and their hands on their heart. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Assumption is the mother of all stuff ups Gimme some Schmack Schmack! </div>

CalliArcale · Jan 7, 2009

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>IMO, entirely correct.I actually liked the first movie because of its over-the-top portrayal of the polical system and the rigid, almost caste-like structure in the society. Posted by a_lost_packet_</DIV>The book's better.The best parts about the first movie are Michael Ironsides and Clancy Brown.  Their performances were *perfect*, faithful to the book's ideals, and really served the story's purpose.   I haven't seen the sequels, and honestly don't intend to.   I didn't care much for the first one, apart from those performances.  I felt they diluted the book too much, and also that the story lacked focus.It also lacked atomic grenades and the WAY cool suits that the Starship Troopers wore in the book.  They didn't land in any pansy landing craft.  No siree.  They were dropped straight from orbit!  That would've been so cool to see realized on screen. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> "People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect, but actually from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint it's more like a big ball of wibbly wobbly . . . timey wimey . . . stuff." -- The Tenth Doctor, "Blink" </div>

a_lost_packet_ · Jan 7, 2009

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>The book's better.The best parts about the first movie are Michael Ironsides and Clancy Brown.  Their performances were *perfect*, faithful to the book's ideals, and really served the story's purpose.   I haven't seen the sequels, and honestly don't intend to.   I didn't care much for the first one, apart from those performances.  I felt they diluted the book too much, and also that the story lacked focus.It also lacked atomic grenades and the WAY cool suits that the Starship Troopers wore in the book.  They didn't land in any pansy landing craft.  No siree.  They were dropped straight from orbit!  That would've been so cool to see realized on screen. Posted by CalliArcale</DIV>I agree, the book was much better.  But, I soon dropped the idea of comparing the movie with the book.  Maybe that's why I tend to think of it as an enjoyable flick?  I don't even put the two together when thinking about it.The story did lack some focus.  It wasn't good enough to discount that like one may have done with "Platoon." (In a completely different class, btw.)  They both followed a similar model but "Starship Troopers" pushed the shallow characters purposefully, moved some of the sci-fi stuff up a notch until it was simply too mundane and, by the time it ended, we really didn't care much if they all ended up as bug food or not. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> I put on my robe and wizard hat... </div>

lampblack · Jan 8, 2009

I saw the first movie. The whole notion of the earth possessing starfaring technology (on the one hand) while being TOTALLY UNABLE to detect asteroids that are being hurled like big rocks from a neighboring star system -- how goofy is that? And to send batallions of soldiers to battle an enemy -- and arm them with glorified pea shooters? They might as well have outfitted them with Gatling guns. Where are the phaser rifles? I do have to observe, however, that the movie had one almost-redeeming moment. The coed shower scene was lighthearted, fun and extremely sexy -- and almost made up for the remainder of what, on balance, was a truly horrible movie.  <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Just tell the truth and let the chips fall... </div>

yevaud · Jan 8, 2009

Yeah, the co-ed scene was good.

Errors abound in the movies; I expected this, but not quite so many ham-fisted, glaring ones such as I saw.Presumably, the Bugs have starship capability, else they couldn't be at the planets we fight them on - yet they never once make an appearance.  No fleet battles, no orbital bombardments, no combat overwatch.  Nothing.We can build ships to transport troops into a combat environment across the stars, but can't avoid bugs shooting plasma bolts from their butts?  Doubtful, really.Not seeing an asteroid large enough to sterilize Buenos Aires until far too late, and not able to stop it?  Again, really doubtful.  Further, if indeed the Bugs have space-faring capabilities, and have such a chubby against us, why just not use that fleet and attack us directly?Why can their medical science knit a savage thigh wound back together seamlessly, but all of their prosthetics look like they were wrenched off of "Iron Man?"Deliberately breaking a recruit's arm on the training field is abuse of Government property, by God!  (Though I found Zim to be perhaps one of the most normal of all of the characters).In battle, the humans have no cohesiveness, no order, no apparent plan.  They look and act like a mob.  I was an E-5, and I could run a Brigade better than those chumps.At no point until the third movie did it look like the Human military command ever learned from their hard lessons.  They kept using the same fighting techniques and the same weapons, as if they were unable to adapt.  For example, there are some basic and unimpeachable facts: the humans are outnumbered, and will continue to be so; their previous tactics suck - so they will not outnumber or outplan the Bugs.  Firepower appears to be their edge, so use it!  This alone would seem to be forcing the Federation towards Marauder suits and a wide range of other up-graded firepower. The Bugs like tunnelling up from below.  A few discriminating ground movement detectors would have helped immensely.  They never make an appearance, across three flicks. I could go on, but I better not... <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Differential Diagnosis: "I am both amused and annoyed that you think I should be less stubborn than you are." </div>

dragon04 · Jan 8, 2009

Wow.. I thought the first two ST movies were entertaining. Nuclear weapons, big bugs ripping people apart, blood, guts, sex, swear words, parasitic "possession", hordes of mindless monsters, big things with lots of eyes, I mean, what more could one ask for?As far as armies looking like mobs, recall Aliens, please. That squad of Marines was about as Marine-y as, well, my grandmother's bowling team. They called themselves the Jokers. I mean, come on.. What Marine is REALLY gonna act like Bill Paxton in a firefight? Just entertainment. A horde of Keystone Knights go rushing in, and then come running back out once they see how big the Dragon is. I haven't seen or even heard that there was a third ST movie.  <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> "2012.. Year of the Dragon!! Get on the Dragon Wagon!". </div>

CalliArcale · Jan 8, 2009

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>I agree, the book was much better.  But, I soon dropped the idea of comparing the movie with the book.  Maybe that's why I tend to think of it as an enjoyable flick? Posted by a_lost_packet_</DIV>Yeah, that's probably true.   I know my brother-in-law liked the movie, and he's never read any Heinlein, so it may be a case where reading the book is a detriment to enjoying the movie (and vice versa, perhaps).And I will concede that there was good stuff in it.  I always thought of Michael Ironsides as just your typical stock raving villain, but  he really did a great job here.  And Clancy Brown (such an underappreciated actor) turned in a performance that makes the whole movie worth watching, even for me.  ;-) <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> "People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect, but actually from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint it's more like a big ball of wibbly wobbly . . . timey wimey . . . stuff." -- The Tenth Doctor, "Blink" </div>

a_lost_packet_ · Jan 8, 2009

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Yeah, that's probably true.   I know my brother-in-law liked the movie, and he's never read any Heinlein, so it may be a case where reading the book is a detriment to enjoying the movie (and vice versa, perhaps).And I will concede that there was good stuff in it.  I always thought of Michael Ironsides as just your typical stock raving villain, but  he really did a great job here.  And Clancy Brown (such an underappreciated actor) turned in a performance that makes the whole movie worth watching, even for me.  ;-) Posted by CalliArcale</DIV>Ironsides did a great job there.  I, too, usually think of him as a "heavy" in movies but he did a great job as the inspiring ground commander.  Clancy Brown is awesome as well and he is unappreciated.  Even though the show was pretty much a flop, I liked him alot in Earth 2.As a matter of fact, Jake Busey (Gary Busey's son) did an excellent job as well!  I was impressed that it was obvious he wasn't just picked for his heritage and he has been in several movies/shows since then.  He has some good potential if he gets his characteristic "Busey" front teeth filed down a tad.

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docm · Jan 10, 2009

"Jake" Busey is often credited as Jacob or William Busey.  He's actually been pretty busy on TV the last couple of years, including an episode of CSI: Miami, and has two films in postproduction; Play Dead and The Killing Jar - 3rd and 11th leads respectively.He's also an IFR rated pilot and owns a Piper Lance <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

spacefire · Jan 10, 2009

The first ST movie is one of my faves sci-flicks of all times, especially since its over the top ironic message makes it so much more enjoyable than reading the novel, which I found immensely boring.I never bothered watching 2, knowing it would be just a cheap shot on squeezing the franchise. But 3 makes me a little curious...not enough to actually buy or rent it, but maybe download it from somehwere and put it on my Ipod for when I am really bored.   <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> http://asteroid-invasion.blogspot.comhttp://www.solvengineer.com/asteroid-invasion.html </div>

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