Surface vehicles on the Moon and Earth's future.

[spaceman186000mps]

Now I'm in no way trying to discredit Henry Ford or any other vehicle past Icon Giants.<br />The gasoline engines have served us well until now... <br />But stop and think about surface transport vehicles for a second. or maybe even a day ...<br /><br />If these past geniuses could have known what scientist know today about magnetism, they would have built the nations highway system different than they are now and presently the internal combustion diesel exhaust smoking choking engines that nations fight wars over now for their oil based fuel supply would have long ago been but a rusting bunch of old automobile parts while each metal ancient warrior would now sit patiently awaiting their turn to be reprocessed into a futuristic land transport vehicle. <br /><br />If humankind would make the future roadways of the Earth and the Moon into magnets, and then you make a separate dc battery powered light weight polymer wheeled vehicle that is also a magnet, with a magnetic tilting plate on the bottom of the land vehicle, these vehicles would be able to repel or attract for braking the roadway surface even through ice and snow.<br /> <br />There's no doubt that todays vehicles are way more efficient now than the early icons. <br />But their mass is still the main thing that causes death and injury in a crash.<br />Two... of todays 1,700 pound vehicles, crashing together plus the weight of the occupants surrounded by glass and sharp metal is spooky indeed if you are inside seconds before it happens ....<br />In my scenario of vehicles and roads.<br />A future vehicle itself on Earth would weigh approximately 500 pounds, or 83.3 lbs. on the moon. There would be no combustible fuel tank source to explode in an accident.<br />Transformers along the roadways would continuously run on low voltage to keep the roads magnetically charged. <br />Sure, maybe it would be quite a task to convert Earths roadways to this type of system but it would make good common sense to build future moon road <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><strong><font size="2" color="#3366ff">70 percent of novel proceeds </font></strong><strong><font size="2" color="#3366ff">www.trafford.com/06-1593</font></strong><strong><font size="2" color="#3366ff"> are donated to </font></strong><strong><font size="2" color="#3366ff">www.caringbridge.org</font></strong></p> </div>

 

[spaceman186000mps]

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[spaceman186000mps]

It's very interesting what you said about electrolysis and kerosene and hydrogen burning. It got me to reading and in a search I found this. <br /><br />http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs.cmu.edu/user/mnr/st/std160<br /><br />I learned a lot about hydrogen fuel mixtures and kerosene.<br />And This...<br />http://www.eere.energy.gov/hydrogenandfuelcells/pdfs/28890rr.pdf <br /><br />This...<br /><br />http://www.astronautix.com/props/h2oosene.htm<br /><br />I still have much to learn.<br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><strong><font size="2" color="#3366ff">70 percent of novel proceeds </font></strong><strong><font size="2" color="#3366ff">www.trafford.com/06-1593</font></strong><strong><font size="2" color="#3366ff"> are donated to </font></strong><strong><font size="2" color="#3366ff">www.caringbridge.org</font></strong></p> </div>

 

[nexium]

We have built at least one maglev train (has any one seen a detailed performance report?) and other linear induction motors that propel vehicals on a track of some sort. I don't know of any with tires that can be steered without a track/likely possible, but has some disadvantages. Very close spacing between the vehicle magnets and the roadway magnets is essential for good efficency. Very strong magentic fields are necessary for heavy payloads and high speeds. If several vehicles are moving on the same 10 meter by 50 meter patch of highway the computer may get confused about which magnets need to repel and which need to attract. If maglev, then the computer needs to steer all the vehicles without error. Switching the magnets frequently may cut the efficiency sharply. How will the road know if the vehicle want's to break or accellerate or hold constant speed? If the vehicles use permanent magnets these may exceed the 500 pounds you suggested. At present technology super conducting magnets may have more weight than permanent magnets, plus higher cost.<br />If the average efficiency is low, we may use more fossil fuel producing the vehicle and road magnetic fields than we use with present gas guzzlers. The power lines that supply the road magnets need to be below ground. We will need several big transformers per mile to keep effeciency high unless the computers can switch hundreds of road magnets in series so the voltage is very high and the current low. Neil

 

[spaceman186000mps]

Thanks for the reply, both of you...<br />I've got a lot of reading to do. lol<br /><br />http://www.rtri.or.jp/rd/maglev/html/english/maglev_frame_E.html<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />http://www.rtri.or.jp/rd/maglev/html/english/maglev_frame_E.html<br /><br />http://www.rtri.or.jp/rd/maglev/html/english/maglev_frame_E.html<br /><br />http://www.rtri.or.jp/rd/maglev/html/english/maglev_frame_E.html<br /><br />http://www.rtri.or.jp/rd/maglev/html/english/maglev_frame_E.html<br /><br />Simply put in How stuff works<br /><br />http://travel.howstuffworks.com/maglev-train1.htm<br /><br />When I get through absorbing all this I'll reply further.<br /><br />For two hundred fifty bucks we can build our own model... Now that's my kinda toy...<br /><br />http://www.futurehorizons.net/grava.htm <br /><br />I wish I could somehow draw a picture of what I'm thinking meantime.<br />In my scenario of roads .<br />You're right transformers would be required several per kilometer. But these transformers would pulse their frequency rate back and forth from positive to negative, or north to south pole at a steady rate.<br /><br />Now the car or land vehicle which is in itself a separate magnet would be run from a dc battery powered electromagnet completely independent of the roadway power source. <br /> The vehicle electromagnet would pulse precisely opposite the frequency of the roadway until opposite pol <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><strong><font size="2" color="#3366ff">70 percent of novel proceeds </font></strong><strong><font size="2" color="#3366ff">www.trafford.com/06-1593</font></strong><strong><font size="2" color="#3366ff"> are donated to </font></strong><strong><font size="2" color="#3366ff">www.caringbridge.org</font></strong></p> </div>

 

[bobw]

I read an article in Scientific American years ago about a really neat maglev. The rail was alternating layers of a conductor and an insulator with the center punched out like the laminations of a transformer sort of but not "windings". The car had permanent magnets in the shape of the rail, surrounding the laminations with magnets. Sitting on its wheels on the ground straddling the core it can roll on its wheels and when pushed the magnets induce a current in the laminations which incuces a magnetic field that lifts the vehicle off its wheels. You need propulsion in the form of rockets or something but you don't need to power your track. It sounds cheap and easy and I think that article is the only place I have seen that thing. It isn't really that exotic or high-tech and they said it scales up well. It's not unobtainium. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[slayera]

I hate to say it but its cheaper to get the oil out of the ground that it is to get all that metal your talking about. If this happens you will still need oil to for a while to get all that metal out and processed. VERY expenive. That is why the automakers for one are slow to try something else. Cost Someone has to pay for and build the new roads your talking about.. They will have to charge you for driving still. Nothings free. Also unless you go all nuclear, you would have to get power in some form, burning coal or gas. So in the end you can't change it(or least not in your life time) and don't have the money. The best way is to keep your power with you and be able to go anyplace. Personal nuclear flyers? That is the reason for cars now, freedom. Put them on a track and they will not go or find other means to 'get out town' very likely. I think your trying to apply a technology to a problem, instead of solving the problem with technology; clean, personal, ease of use, cheap, and not reventing the same problems for the reasons that you are trying to apply that technology(like traffic jams and accidents). But that is just my take on it.

 

[spaceman186000mps]

Morning all ....<br /> <br />You.re right. <br />I do often tend to think backwards or way the heck out of the box....<br /><br />My roadways on the moon would be made from moon soil polymer ( lightweight moon concrete) with a coiled pulsed frequency magnet under the center of each lane, probably nuclear powered. <br />Perhaps smaller nuclear powered magnets are even possible for the vehicles power source.<br />Tell me more about your Idea...<br /><br />Here's a way cool super super conductor magnet...<br /><br />http://lhc-new-homepage.web.cern.ch/lhc-new-homepage/ <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><strong><font size="2" color="#3366ff">70 percent of novel proceeds </font></strong><strong><font size="2" color="#3366ff">www.trafford.com/06-1593</font></strong><strong><font size="2" color="#3366ff"> are donated to </font></strong><strong><font size="2" color="#3366ff">www.caringbridge.org</font></strong></p> </div>

 

[slayera]

Well, if I had the answer then I would be rich. But how about something extreme, like telepresents (sp?) why go there when you can feel like your there. Send a robot that you can link into just like being there, what you make the robot touch you feel, or smells, or anything else. Why send a human trucker when you drive it from home, on the same note. For starters would I remove as much of the really unneeded human travelers as I could. <br />As for moon travel why go around it when you could go through it? Mine the mineral while your at it. Use vacum power to suck/blow pods through. When you solve all the other problems then maybe getting will have changed too. <br /><br />

 

[jurgens]

bobw<br /><br />That specific type of maglev was called Inductrack and was developed at lawrence livermore national laboratory.<br /><br />http://www.llnl.gov/str/Post.html

 

[bobw]

Yes, that's it. Thanks for the link. I would love to see NASA launch a rocket off one of those! I think I might spend my vacation staying up all night trying to learn how to make Halbach arrays out of radio shack magnets or something LOL. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[huey_pilot]

I like the idea of converting cars to run off of alcohol. You can convert any gasoline engine to run off alcohol. Theres plenty of land to grow corn on (used to make the alcohol, basically like moonshine) and farmers wouldn't be selling off their land to go work in a factory. We have synthetic oil to put in the cars. This way we won't have to worry about trying to import crude oil from the Middle-East.

 

[spaceman186000mps]

That was a very nice read thanks...<br />Thanks also Bob and Huey<br />I also like the Idea of converting moonshine to fuel.<br />I will read up on it later <br /> link on alcohol vehicle conversion. methanol<br /><br />http://www.permaculture.com/alcohol/qualities.htm<br /><br />Meantime.... I would like to start a study group about curious properties of permanent and temporary magnets and get ideas about what some of you posters think. <br /> But first I must study myself... before I speak with <br /> fork-ed mouth (uneducated)... lol<br />So here's a basic link that will lead to all kinds of neat experiments to do with magnets.<br />WARNING<br />Never place magnets near electronic equipment, video screens, vcr's, computers, tv's cassette tapes or recorded information of any kind.<br />WARNING.....again <br />It will erase or delete the stored information and also ruin tv and computer monitors.. so youth that read please be careful if you play with magnets in the house.<br /> just read my friends <br /> better links later,<br />now one question I have of you already educated is,<br />Were or Are any experiments ever performed with permanent magnets in space or on the moon.<br />How would a permanent magnet work on the moon.<br /> Or an electro-magnet? <br />I realize the answer about experiments is probably no, due to the nature of exposure and destruction of recorded information. <br /> But I am seeking information on properties of magnetism that the moon has, since the Moon itself has very little magnetic field but is in the Earths magnetic field. Does anyone have any good answers on this?<br /> Also... Can magnets be produced from moon material ?<br /><br /> Thanks <br /><br /> armchair astronaut spaceman c<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />But.... Magnets are way cool and we are exposed to them everyday, everywhere.. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><strong><font size="2" color="#3366ff">70 percent of novel proceeds </font></strong><strong><font size="2" color="#3366ff">www.trafford.com/06-1593</font></strong><strong><font size="2" color="#3366ff"> are donated to </font></strong><strong><font size="2" color="#3366ff">www.caringbridge.org</font></strong></p> </div>

 

[zuyzuy]

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