taking NASA out of the goverments hands

[sol_bianca]

Taking NASA out the hands of the goverment.Then privatizing NASA to run like a buissness.Will make for a better space agency.

 

[tap_sa]

And during first fiscal year the bold new NASA Inc. will get $16B+ revenue from ... from ... what? Selling mugs, caps and t-shirts?

 

[annodomini2]

they do, its called boeing and lockheed, nasa just decides who makes the most profit. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[jatslo]

... technologies require clearance prior to release to the public, and there may very well be something more advanced that is hidden ...

 

[Swampcat]

<font color="yellow">"...there may very well be something more advanced that is hidden..."</font><br /><br />Always a conspiracy <img src="/images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <font size="3" color="#ff9900"><p><font size="1" color="#993300"><strong><em>------------------------------------------------------------------- </em></strong></font></p><p><font size="1" color="#993300"><strong><em>"I hold it that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing, and as necessary in the political world as storms in the physical. Unsuccessful rebellions, indeed, generally establish the encroachments on the rights of the people which have produced them. An observation of this truth should render honest republican governors so mild in their punishment of rebellions as not to discourage them too much. It is a medicine necessary for the sound health of government."</em></strong></font></p><p><font size="1" color="#993300"><strong>Thomas Jefferson</strong></font></p></font> </div>

 

[jatslo]

... nope, just fact; TOP SECRET ... The CEV was cleared by the Pentagon. Did you know that most of NASA's advanced technologies must first clear the Pentagon prior to release?

 

[Swampcat]

<font color="yellow">"...just fact; TOP SECRET ..."</font><br /><br />I feel like opening a can of worms. Where's my can opener?<br /><br />Here we go...<br /><br />And how are you able to know such secrets? <img src="/images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <font size="3" color="#ff9900"><p><font size="1" color="#993300"><strong><em>------------------------------------------------------------------- </em></strong></font></p><p><font size="1" color="#993300"><strong><em>"I hold it that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing, and as necessary in the political world as storms in the physical. Unsuccessful rebellions, indeed, generally establish the encroachments on the rights of the people which have produced them. An observation of this truth should render honest republican governors so mild in their punishment of rebellions as not to discourage them too much. It is a medicine necessary for the sound health of government."</em></strong></font></p><p><font size="1" color="#993300"><strong>Thomas Jefferson</strong></font></p></font> </div>

 

[tap_sa]

<font color="yellow">"The CEV was cleared by the Pentagon. Did you know that most of NASA's advanced technologies must first clear the Pentagon prior to release?"</font><br /><br />You contradict yourself because there's nothing blazingly advanced technology in the CEV. It's Apollo update to publicly available modern technology. And thanks to <i>not</i> having some brand new untested ufo-technology the CEV has a good chance to actually become true.

 

[jatslo]

The plan was cleared by the Pentagon; hows that!!!

 

[jatslo]

It is no secret that there are secrets.<br /><br />Black Projects; is that the right term?

 

[jatslo]

... royalties for patented technological advances in multitudes of markets just like everyone else, for starters ...

 

[Swampcat]

<font color="yellow">"It is no secret that there are secrets. <br /><br />Black Projects; is that the right term?"</font><br /><br />I think you have your government agencies mixed up.<br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <font size="3" color="#ff9900"><p><font size="1" color="#993300"><strong><em>------------------------------------------------------------------- </em></strong></font></p><p><font size="1" color="#993300"><strong><em>"I hold it that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing, and as necessary in the political world as storms in the physical. Unsuccessful rebellions, indeed, generally establish the encroachments on the rights of the people which have produced them. An observation of this truth should render honest republican governors so mild in their punishment of rebellions as not to discourage them too much. It is a medicine necessary for the sound health of government."</em></strong></font></p><p><font size="1" color="#993300"><strong>Thomas Jefferson</strong></font></p></font> </div>

 

[jatslo]

... they are linked ... remember those CIA ESP physicists who were afraid to speak out of fear of jail time. They finally convinced the government to release the info ... How many black project physicists are there, who can freely talk about declassified secrets now that they are not secret, and of those that speak, how many are affiliated with NASA, or the NASA affiliates?<br /><br />Answer that one, and I will be impressed. <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" />

 

[Swampcat]

<font color="yellow">"How many black project physicists are there, who can freely talk about declassified secrets now that they are not secret, and of those that speak, how many are affiliated with NASA, or the NASA affiliates? <br /><br />Answer that one, and I will be impressed."</font><br /><br />That's a strange juxtaposition of unrelated elements. Come on, you can make up something better than that <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" />.<br /><br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <font size="3" color="#ff9900"><p><font size="1" color="#993300"><strong><em>------------------------------------------------------------------- </em></strong></font></p><p><font size="1" color="#993300"><strong><em>"I hold it that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing, and as necessary in the political world as storms in the physical. Unsuccessful rebellions, indeed, generally establish the encroachments on the rights of the people which have produced them. An observation of this truth should render honest republican governors so mild in their punishment of rebellions as not to discourage them too much. It is a medicine necessary for the sound health of government."</em></strong></font></p><p><font size="1" color="#993300"><strong>Thomas Jefferson</strong></font></p></font> </div>

 

[yevaud]

True. Everyone, please try to remain on topic.<br /><br />Thanks. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em>Differential Diagnosis:  </em>"<strong><em>I am both amused and annoyed that you think I should be less stubborn than you are</em></strong>."<br /> </p> </div>

 

[jatslo]

I used that ESP physicists, because I can back it up; therefore, if those exist, then there are others. Industrializing parts of NASA might be a good economic stimulator. For example, if NASA generated one penny per web hit when the rovers hit the planet Mars ... <br /><br />NASA has a sensitive information department; look at the organizational charts.

 

[jatslo]

... is that what its called? I just guessed. <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" /> I tentatively agree that NASA should let it all hang out, or the government should, but I would not like to see an arms race evolve either. Some of NASA could be privatized. For example, someone else could launch things, whereas, NASA would just fork out the cash.

 

[telfrow]

When you find the "Office of Sensitive Information" here, let me know. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <strong><font color="#3366ff">Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild.</font> - <font color="#3366ff"><em>Tennyson</em></font></strong> </div>

 

[jatslo]

Who is responsible for getting approval? Human Resources, or the educators are typically in charge of non-disclosure type stuff, which are prosecutable, if violated.<br /><br />The Pentagon? The Senate Overseer Committee?<br /><br />Ask shuttle_guy. <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" />

 

[CalliArcale]

<blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr /><p>For example, someone else could launch things, whereas, NASA would just fork out the cash.<p><hr /></p></p></blockquote><br /><br />Perhaps you do not realize that NASA already contracts out for that work. <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" /> Expendable launch vehicles are launched by private companies (Boeing, Lockheed, Orbital Sciences) and the Space Shuttle, although owned by NASA, is launched by United Space Alliance.<br /><br />They actually contract out for a lot more than most people realize. That's intentional, because it helps encourage the development of technologies in the private sector. It can lead to convoluted situations with data rights, though, because of laws for accounting in government contractors. (In general, if Uncle Sam pays for the entire development of a product, they own the intellectual property too and can do with it as they please. If you pay for some of it out of your own pocket, though, it gets more complicated, because you can exert limited rights over it then. That's generally decided during the contract negotiations.) <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p> </p><p><font color="#666699"><em>"People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect, but actually from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint it's more like a big ball of wibbly wobbly . . . timey wimey . . . stuff."</em>  -- The Tenth Doctor, "Blink"</font></p> </div>

 

[propforce]

<font color="yellow">... nope, just fact; TOP SECRET ... The CEV was cleared by the Pentagon. Did you know that most of NASA's advanced technologies must first clear the Pentagon prior to release? </font><br /><br /><br />Well... if the technologies can be consider for ICBM or other military applications, which the CEV and its launcher would be, then it should be cleared by the Pentagon under this law called <i>"international traffic in arms regulation"</i> (ITAR) !!!<br /><br />It will also needed to be cleared by the Commerce Department if the technology is considered "export sensitive" called "EXPORT CONTROLLED" which just about all advanced technologies are. <br /><br />Actually I am not sure but I do believe a shuttle launch would require FAA permit for <i>going up</i> and a separate license for <i>coming down</i>. <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /><br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[yevaud]

As to the last, probably not. If you scrutinize International regulations on airspace closely, many nations (ours as well, IIRC) consider that we "own" the air rights above ius - all the way out to infinity. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em>Differential Diagnosis:  </em>"<strong><em>I am both amused and annoyed that you think I should be less stubborn than you are</em></strong>."<br /> </p> </div>

 

[jatslo]

I am aware of some of that, and that is why I mentioned it; I want to be able to back it up. <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /> For example, Russia charges $20-mil to launch an entrepreneur into space, but what would they charge for 10,000 pounds of cargo to the ISS? Russia is openly headed in that direction, whereas NASA is not. Besides, I don't consider Lockheed, or Boeing working on government projects a public project even though NASA is supposed to be the medium. <br /><br />Research and development are costly; repetitive launch platforms are not. A lot of the data processing could be farmed out too. <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" />

 

[jatslo]

Those are good points; however, you do not hand over the design. If the design were so accessible, then everyone would have a shuttle, right? I have never been to NASA, but I would not be surprised to see armed security in the facility. <br /><br />The really good stuff is BLACK, and that is why the government refuses to comment on events in these sectors. In fact, Area 51 was only briefly acknowledged after long drawn out litigation involving something.

 

[propforce]

<font color="yellow">I have never been to NASA, but I would not be surprised to see armed security in the facility. </font><br /><br />Yes there are !! <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /> <br /><br />You'll need "passes" to even get on base, KSC for example, then you're ushered to the tourist area if you're a tourist, and you'll need separate badge/ pass to get into individual buildings. <br /><br />Afterall, you'd get a bit suspicious if you see someone wearing a greepeace t-shirt with a hammer near a piece of flight-critical hardware, or someone with a wrench trying to take a rocket engine home!! <img src="/images/icons/laugh.gif" /><br /><br /><br /><br /><font color="yellow">The really good stuff is BLACK, and that is why the government refuses to comment on events in these sectors</font><br /><br />Well... you know what they say... once you go BLACK.... <img src="/images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>