The “I Support” and “Do Not Support” Reference Thread

[mental_avenger]

This thread is intended to allow members to concisely list those space-related projects or ventures that they support, and those that they do not support. This thread is NOT intended to be a forum to discuss or refute those opinions, only to list them.<br /><br />The Rules I hope you will all abide by.<br /><br />1. <b>One Post Per Person. </b> Please limit your comments to a single post. If you make a mistake, or change your mind, please edit your one post. If appropriate, note the edited change.<br />2. <b>Make a “I DO NOT SUPPORT” list and a “I SUPPORT” list in your post. </b><br />3. <b>Please Be Concise. </b> Make a list, not a long dialog.<br />4. <b> Please Do Not Argue Here. </b> If you do not agree with what another member has listed, please do not argue the point on this thread. i.e. “then why did you say……….on another thread” or “that does not make sense” or the like. Start another thread if you wish to disagree.<br /><br />You can use my post as an example of how this should look. Hopefully, this will be a reference that we can each refer to when someone questions our opinions/preferences/objections. In the long run, it should save a lot of time and frustration. It will also help us all to see what the other members believe in or advocate at a glance. <br /><br />Keeping this thread free of debate and arguments will make it easy to see each person’s opinions without getting bogged down in endless discussion.<br /><br />Thank you all in advance for keeping with the spirit of this thread.<br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p style="margin-top:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-right:0in" class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="2" color="#ff0000"><strong>Our Solar System must be passing through a Non Sequitur area of space.</strong></font></p> </div>

 

[mental_avenger]

<u>I DO NOT SUPPORT</u> (in no particular order, and not limited to<br />1. Going back to the Moon just so we can “prove we can do it” or just “to go back again”<br />2. Any “feel good” or “symbolism without substance” missions to the Moon.<br />3. Lunar mining intended for export to Earth.<br />4. Using the Moon (instead of Earth or LEO) to “test” equipment for Mars or any other destination.<br />5. Manned missions to the Jovian or Saturnian moons (until and unless we discover a relevant and practical reason to do so.)<br />6. Construction of space travel “Infrastructure” on the Moon before the traffic warrants it.<br />7. Mining asteroids for export of materials to Earth.<br />8. “Moving” asteroids into Earth orbit for mining.<br />9. Solar Power Satelites, in priciple at least. It does not seem likely that they will ever be practical.<br /><br /><u>I SUPPORT</u> (in no particular order, and not limited to: )<br />1. Manned missions to Mars.<br />2. Establishing viable colonies on Mars as soon as we can.<br />3. Large telescopes on the Moon.<br />4. Thorough testing of space equipment in appropriate locations on Earth, such as Devon Island, Antarctica, and locations in South America.<br />5. Threatening Asteroid or Comet detection and defense development.<br />6. Unmanned probes to Europa, Io, Ganymede, and Callisto.<br />7. Pioneer, Voyager, Cassini/Huygens, Chandra, THEMIS, Genesis, SOHO, Rosetta, Hubble, Deep Impact, Solar B, STEREO, New Horizons, and many other NASA projects.<br />8. Constructing a “2001: A Space Odyssey” type <u>ver</u>y large rotating space station in Earth orbit.<br />9. Development of Rail Assisted Launch for reducing the cost to orbit.<br />10. Encouraging private enterprise to develop space technologies.<br />11. Encouraging private enterprise to develop CATS.<br />12. Using Lunar materials to construct space infrastructure AFTER space traffic has increased to make such operations viable.<br />13. Building spacecraft in orbit, a good use for the large sp <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p style="margin-top:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-right:0in" class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="2" color="#ff0000"><strong>Our Solar System must be passing through a Non Sequitur area of space.</strong></font></p> </div>

 

[thalion]

Great idea, MA.<br /><br />I DO NOT SUPPORT:<br />1.) Making Mars the be-all and end-all of space exploration.<br />2.) Going to the Moon or Mars just to "keep ahead" of the Chinese, et al.<br />3.) Aggressive manned exploration and settlement until we have CATS.<br />4.) Spending billions of dollars on unmanned Mars probes if humans are never going to be sent, as I feel humans are infinitely more capable.<br />5.) Abandoning Hubble just because it isn't "safe" to service, or because we supposedly have better instruments already.<br />6.) The ISS, which I see as a huge waste of money.<br />7.) Using the Shuttle beyond the completion of ISS--we might as well finish what we started.<br />8.) The *complete* privatization of space exploration and use.<br />9.) Settling in space simply to get away from problems on Earth, or taking a "manifest destiny" approach.<br />10.) Blindly broadcasting signals into space with no knowledge of who's out there.<br /><br />I DO SUPPORT:<br />1.) The aggressive development and implementation of new forms of propulsion, especially nuclear thermal drives and solar sails.<br />2.) Strong research and spending on a true method of CATS.<br />3.) Big Dumb Boosters.<br />4.) Manned exploration in general, especially for research purposes.<br />5.) The Pluto mission.<br />6.) Heavy spending on space observatories to look for exoplanets, and to explore the secrets of the universe.<br />7.) More in-depth exploration of Venus with lander and balloon probes.<br />8.) A Neptune orbiter.<br />9.) Atmospheric probes/balloons for at least Jupiter and Saturn, and hopefully for all.<br />10.) Devoting more attention to the present Martian atmosphere, with balloon probes and scattered meteorological stations.<br />11.) Research into the feasibility of interstellar exploration.<br />12.) An interstellar probe (one like NASA's would be adequate).<br />13.) Space mining, when and if it becomes economical.<br />14.) Nuclear propulsion.<br />15.) Solar power satel

 

[halman]

I SUPPORT:<br /><br />1.) Using the space shuttle to service the Hubble Space telescope with a manned mission.<br /><br />2.) Keeping the space shuttle flying until there is a man-rated vehicle and booster to replace it.<br /><br />3.) Building a step rocket capable of putting 100,000 kilograms in Low Earth Orbit.<br /><br />4.) Building a Lunar Shuttle vehicle, capable of landing on the Moon with a payload of 5,000 kilograms and a crew of 12, and returning to LEO.<br /><br />5.) Building a permanent base on the Earth's Moon within 25 years.<br /><br />6.) Sending an advanced computer to Mars orbit, to oversee a group of stationary and mobile probes, utilizing a network of satellites to maintain comunication between the master computer and the probes.<br /><br />7.) After the Lunar base is up and running, the construction of a prototype long-duration space vessel, with completely self-contained life-support system.<br /><br />8.) Using long-duration space vessel for three-year survey mission of the Asteroid Belt.<br /><br />9.) Construction of a rail-launched carrier wing capable of lifting a reusable space plane to an altitude of 50,000 feet.<br /><br />10.) Construction of a reusable space plane capable of carrying 15 people and 5,000 kilograms to Low Earth Orbit.<br /><br /><br />I DO NOT SUPPORT:<br /><br />1.) Sample return missions from anywhere.<br /><br />2.) Manned missions to Mars until such time as an expedition of 7 people can be landed on Mars and safely returned to Earth.<br /><br />3.) Limiting the space shuttle to missions to the International Space Station.<br /><br />halman <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> The secret to peace of mind is a short attention span. </div>

 

[lunatic133]

I SUPPORT<br />- Returning to the moon and establishing a permanent presence there<br />- sophisticated telescopes on the moon<br />- energy from the moon, should it ever be made practical<br />- humans on mars ASAP (possibly before returning to the moon although that won't happen) and eventually establishing a permanent presence there<br />- commercialization of LEO, while NASA explores the solar system<br />- exploration using both humans and robots<br />- Permanent colonization as soon as is feasible on both the moon and Mars<br /><br />I DO NOT SUPPORT<br />- robotic exploration without the intent that humans go there too<br />- landing on mars once for the sake of a "flags and footprints" mission and never returning<br />- stagnation (remaining in LEO)<br />- restrictions on commercialization<br />- developing technologies for the sake of developing them and not to achieve a goal<br />- fear of taking risks in a high risk business

 

[mcbethcg]

I DO NOT SUPPORT (in no particular order, and not limited to <br />1. Manned missions for exploration. Robotic probes are so much more capable. <br />2. The ISS, which I see as a huge waste of money. <br />3. Using the shuttle, which I see as a huge waste of money. <br />4. A Mars mission. MARS IS UNINHABITABLE. Why go 50 million miles to try to colonize Mars, an uninhabitable planet, when the Moon, also uninhabitable, is so much closer and more able to get resources and help from Earth?<br />5. Abandoning Hubble<br /><br />I SUPPORT (in no particular order, and not limited to: ) <br />1. Building a permanent manned, highly automated, mining facility/colony on the Earth's Moon.<br />2. Using Lunar materials to construct lunar/space infrastructure.<br />3. Moving ice from the outer solar system to provide volitiles for space infrastructure.<br />4. Large telescopes on the Moon. <br />5. Threatening Asteroid or Comet detection and defense development. <br />6. Unmanned probes to anywhere in the solar system. <br />7. The aggressive development and implementation of new forms of propulsion, especially nuclear thermal drives and solar sails. <br />8. Strong research and spending on a true method of CATS. <br />9. Big Dumb Boosters. <br />10. Heavy spending on space observatories to look for exoplanets, and to explore the secrets of the universe. <br />11. Research into the feasibility of interstellar exploration. <br /> <br />

 

[silylene old]

I support:<br />1) Mass-producing MER's and sending at least 20 of them to Mars (estimated price, by me, is $4B). At least half of these missions will be sent to "risky" landing spots.<br /><br />2) Sending additional MERs to other juicy targets (minor MER modification will be needed to yield a powered retrorocket/baloon combination landing in a minigravity environment): Ceres, Phobos, Diemos, and a near-earth asteroid (estimated total cost = $ 5.0B)<br /><br />3) Design and mass-produce a nuclear-powered CHEAP lightweight small rover, with capabilities similar to MER, with a retrocket/balloon combination landing. Build at least 30 of these (two per target). Landing sites include: Moon, Ganymede, Europa, Io, Callista, Amalthea, Iapetus, Rhea, Dionye, Tethys, Hyperion, Phoebe, Triton and Pluto. Estimated price (by me) $25B<br /><br />4) Building several additional deep-space radio dishes, located worldwide, and communications link satellites for receiving the voluminous inforation to be received by my aggressive program of robotic exploration.<br /><br />My program will produce the maximum information per dollar invested. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature" align="center"><em><font color="#0000ff">- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -</font></em> </div><div class="Discussion_UserSignature" align="center"><font color="#0000ff"><em>I really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function.</em></font> </div> </div>

 

[steve82]

I support:<br />-Removing aeronautics entirely from NASA and recreating the National Advisory Committee on Aeronautics to take over these responsibilities.<br />-Hands on Quality inspections.<br />-Orienting NASA into a SpaceFlight agency with science falling under the aegis of other agency science budgets.<br />-Waiving ITAR export controls on NASA support of HTV and ATV.<br />-The Waterfall development model for large projects.<br />-Development of radiation hardened processors of respectable speed and capacity for the next generation of vehicle.<br />-Firm fixed-price contracts.<br />-Requiring foreign nationals working for NASA contractors on technical jobs to have degrees from accredited US institutions.<br />-Eliminate to the greatest extent possible the dependence of manned spacecraft on solar electricity and replace with nuclear.<br />-Contracts of manageable size and clearly-defined scope and chains of accountability.<br /><br />I do not support:<br />-NASA managers retiring and going to work for contractors on jobs managing NASA work.<br />-Novating underperforming contracts to new suppliers without competitive bidding.<br />-Object-oriented programming for embedded life-critical systems.<br />-The Spiral Development methodology (except in clearly defined shop-level small prototyping efforts).<br />-Having to justify manned spaceflight for scientific reasons.<br />-Privatization for the sake of privatization without looking at real expectations.<br />-Internationalization for the sake of internationalization.<br />-ISO-9000.<br />-Earned Value.<br />-Six Sigma.<br />-The SEI Capability Maturity Model.<br />-Vision statements.<br />-Small Disadvantaged Business set asides as a monetary percentage of contract value.<br />-Gigantic multi-company multi-year multi-center consolidated contracts that are unmanageable.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />

 

[thecolonel]

<i>I Support:</i><br />Astronomy and Space Exploration - in the pursuit of scientific and philosophical enlightenment.<br />Human Space Exploration - when human ingenuity and dexterity can do what a robot cannot.<br />Robotic Space Exploration - when durability and risk allow a robot to do what a human cannot.<br />Private Enterprise and Colonization - to open up the infinite resources of space and other worlds to make a better Earth and allow limitless sized off-Earth colonies of people, plants and animals the possibility of existence.<br /><br /><i>I DO NOT Support:</i><br />The argument and belief that we must perfect planet Earth before we pursue the stars.<br />

 

[cybersix]

I Do Not Support:<br /><br />-Feel good symbolism or bureaucratic white elephant programs<br /><br />-Moon as stepping stone to mars<br /><br />-Near-orbit as a stepping stone to mars<br /><br />-the idea of an international space station at least at this moment in history<br /><br />-studying the 'effects of weightlessness on humans (it's BAD long term, mmkay?) rather than artificial 'gravity' systems<br /><br />-Cheap versus low cost. Space is gonna be expensive, accept it.<br /><br />I Do Support:<br /><br />-The Human Colonization of Mars as the long-term goal and financial savings priority for NASA and all nations.<br /><br />-A review of all missions and budgets related to human spaceflight wrt above, i.e. is this money better saved or re-prioritized?<br /><br />-The development of inflateable structures, craft, and near earth infra.<br /><br />-Practical appplied and supercomputer modeled research on tether, rotation arm, and other artificial gravity systems.<br /><br />-Withdrawing from treaties preventing nuclear tests including explosions in outer space. The use of nuclear thermal and plasma technologies (NT and Vasimr)<br /><br />All other priorities are secondary to me.

 

[Leovinus]

I support:<br />Manned (and womanned) space exploration including missions to venus and bases on the Moon<br />Pluto probe<br />Nuclear-powered rovers on mars<br />Nuclear-powered probe to Jovian satellites including submarine probe of Europa's oceans (if it can be sterilized)<br />A replacement for the Shuttle program -- small manned vehicles with large unmanned cargo boosters.<br /><br />I do not support:<br />Weapons in space including "Star Wars"<br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[spacester]

I SUPPORT:<br />Everything. <br />I want everything.<br /><br />I DO NOT SUPPORT:<br />(empty list)<br /><br />That's it really in a nutshell, that's what this whole spacester gig is all about. <br /><br />Sorry, can I try again?<br /><br />I DO NOT SUPPORT:<br /><br />Endless discussions about what takes priority over what. There is another way to do it.<br /><br />I SUPPORT:<br /><br />1. Coming up with a master plan that most everyone can agree on.<br />2. Dang near everything having to do with spaceflight. I want everything.<br />3. Government encouragements and enabling of private enterprise with the goal of creating a robust space tourism industry.<br />4. Harnessing the revenue stream from Space Tourism to expand our practical and scientific knowledge of the following three space "locations", in the following shares:<br />50% Cis-lunar (includes LEO)<br />35% Cis-Martian<br />15% Cis- NEO<br />Leveraged in a publicly enabled, private enterprise led, modified X-prize style approach.<br />5. The idea that space science is a sub-set of space exploration.<br />6. An endless list of things if I really tried. <img src="/images/icons/laugh.gif" /><br /><br />I did a big copy-and-paste operation and sorted out the responses on this thread into categories, and am writing some analysis and commentary. I assume I should start a new thread for that? Um, right, of course . . .will do . . .<br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[spayss]

I support attempts to once again get a man into orbit via an American made spacecraft.

 

[radarredux]

<b>I support:</b><br /><ul type="square"><li>Developing a vision for the U.S. space progam, including basic long term goals (30-100 years out) and more specific short term goals (5-30 years out), around which a strong consensus can be built.<br /></li></ul><ul type="square"><li>Developing a concrete plan to implement the short term goals.<br /></li></ul><ul type="square"><li>Working hard to get the President, Congress, businesses, and the American people to support the vision and the concrete plan.<br /></li></ul><ul type="square"><li>Changes in the laws to expedite the commercialization of space, including streamlining launch regulations and developing appropriate property rights.<br /></li></ul><ul type="square"><li>A fundamental transformation of NASA from a cold war inspired government monopoly to a small agile catalyst that inspires and organizes industry, universities and other research organizations, and financial markets to create broad-based space activities including industry, exploration, and science.<br /></li></ul><br /><br /><b>I do not support:</b><br /><ul type="square"><li>Moving forward with a plan before Congress and the American people buy into the plan.<br /></li></ul><ul type="square"><li>Spiral development that results in a single vehicle built by a single prime contractor.<br /></li></ul><ul type="square"><li>Large, monolithic projects like ISS.<br /></li></ul><ul type="square"><li>Business as usual.<br /></li></ul>

 

[bobunf]

I SUPPORT <br />1. Exploration using both humans and robots, including sample return missions.<br />2. Facilities in space to look for Earth like exoplanets.<br />3. The current Mercury, Mars and Saturn missions.<br />4. Earth satellites—scientific, commercial and military—for research, observation, GPS, com-munication, and other uses.<br />5. Unmanned probes to Venus, the asteroids, the major Jovian moons, Uranus, Neptune, Pluto and the Kuiper belt.<br />6. Continuing detection of threatening asteroids or comets, and development of defenses.<br />7. Atmospheric probes for the gas giant planets.<br />8. Justifying manned spaceflight on the basis of scientific, commercial or security reasons.<br />9. Development of new forms of propulsion, including nuclear thermal and plasma drives.<br />10. Manned missions to Mars, including just to keep ahead of the Chinese, or for flags and foot-prints—I’ll settle for any old reason. We’ll think of more reasons after the first trip.<br />11. Building a permanent base on the Earth's Moon.<br />12. Sophisticated telescopes on the Moon.<br />13. Building a permanent base on Mars, a project for late in this century.<br />14. Research into interstellar exploration.<br />15. Encouraging private enterprise to develop space technologies, but I don’t expect much re-sults. Space is going to be primarily a government venture for all of the 21st century.<br /><br />I DO NOT SUPPORT <br />1. The argument that we must perfect life on Earth before men or robots step off. <br />2. Lunar, asteroid or space mining. I don’t think this will be practical in this century, let alone economical.<br />3. Moving asteroids into Earth orbit for mining. I think this is far too dangerous, and I don’t think it would be economical in this century.<br />4. Building spacecraft in orbit. I don’t think this will be practical this century, if ever.<br />5. Privatization for the sake of privatization<br />6. Manned missions to the Jovian or Saturnian moons. I don’t think this will b

 

[arobie]

I SUPPORT<br /><br />1. Manned exploration of space: the Moon, and Mars when we are able to set up a base.<br /><br />2. Robotic exploration of space.<br /><br />3. The Moon to Mars vision.<br /><br />4. Utilizing space resources and energy sources, when it becomes economical.<br /><br />5. The X-Prize and any X-prize type contests.<br /><br />6. Space Tourism.<br /><br />7. Private industry moving up into space.<br /><br />8. Development of new propulsion systems.<br /><br />9. The search for earth like planets in other solar systems<br /><br />10. Increasing Nasa'a budget.<br /><br />11. NASA<br /><br />12. Programs, projects, companies, or nations moving the human race toward becoming a space-faring race.<br /><br />I DON'T SUPPORT<br /><br />1. That we need to fix all our problems on earth before going into space.<br /><br />2. Weapons in space, such as "Star Wars".

 

[jcdenton]

I guess it's about time I pontificate on this subject:<ul type="square"><br /><b>I SUPPORT:</b><li>Doubling NASA's budget with money diverted from first item of DO NOT SUPPORT list below<li>A private sector in the space industry<li>Greater international cooperation<li>Efforts to renew public's interest in space<li>Space tourism<li>Further unmanned exploration of the Solar System (especially Uranus, Neptune, Pluto)<li>Step-by-step approach to reaching Mars (ex. getting out of LEO first)<li>Nuclear power engines<li>Replacement to Hubble<br /><br /><b>I DO NOT SUPPORT</b><li>Star Wars missile defense<li>ISS<li>Zero-gravity research (in general)<br /></li></li></li></li></li></li></li></li></li></li></li></li></ul><br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[dan_casale]

I Support<br />1) Tether systems.<br />2) Elevator systems, both ground attached and orbital.<br />3) NASA testing any new technology they can think of on the next available mission.<br />4) Probes that contain lots and lots of equipments.<br />5) Missions that fail because NASA was testing a new technology.<br />6) Trying again and again, as long as we get better and better at doing it.<br />7) Closed loop Life Support systems.<br />8) Bases on moons, asteriods, and other planets.<br />9) Reducing the time it takes to ready and launch a payload.<br />10) Other alternative launching systems.<br />11) Super heavy launch systems.<br />12) Using Nuclear engines for missions beyond GEO.<br />13) Everybody going to space.<br />14) SPS systems<br />15) Mining anything we can get equipment to.<br />16) Using NEO's as generation ships to other stars.<br />17) Progress toward CATS.<br /><br />I Don't support<br />1) Waiting. (for any reason)<br />2) International Cooperation, because it takes to long.<br />3) Using Nuclear engines to launch from Earth's surface to GEO.

 

[orzek]

I DO NOT SUPPORT.<br /><br />1). Any symbolic manned missions just to plant a flag.<br />2). Going to mars at all costs.<br />3). Waiting for CATS (Cheap access to space)<br />4). Fixing the worlds problems before space exploration.<br />5). The earth as being sufficient to test the components of colonies on other worlds.<br />6). Doing space exploration by unmanned craft only, as what is the point if no humans will ever venture out into space?<br />7). Continuing to keep hubble afloat at all costs as it would be better to make a new space telescope with better capabilities.<br />8). Private companies as the solution to more space exploration instead of government funds.<br />9). Just staying in LEO.<br />10). The shuttle, if all it is for is too keep jobs as the money can be used for a more ambitious programs.<br />11). NASA starting new space programs like the new orbital spaceplanes and not finishing them.<br />12). Thinking that we can go to mars as soon as possible and bypassing everything else.<br />13). Trying to find ways in making space exploration cheaper as a prerequisite to it.<br />It will only get cheaper when we will spend a lot of money and resources in the first place.<br />14). Places like antarctica and devon’s island as sufficient for the testing of a mars colony.<br />15) Replacing the space shuttle with a capsule as a means to going into LEO.<br /><br /><br />I SUPPORT<br />1). Anything that will make man a space faring species.<br />2). A logical step by step approach to space exploration so that we gain momentum and thus make number 1 more likely.<br />3). We should “learn to crawl then walk then run” model of space exploration and not jump into the big end. (The early years of the space race and in particular the Apollo programs as an example.)<br />4). Replacing the space shuttle with a new orbital spaceplane that carries people and supplies only.<br />5). Designing a new heavy lift rocket with a payload capacity of 150 to 250 tons. Make it modular like the energiy

 

[mattblack]

I DO SUPPORT- Stable U.S. taxpayer funding for manned spaceflight. Perhaps passing a law guaranteeing a permanent one % percent share of GDP.<br /><br />I DO SUPPORT- Streamlining NASA, even if that means discarding the aeronautical side into a separately funded entity.<br /><br />I DO SUPPORT- Investing and incentives for commercial manned space travel and the eventual development of Cheaper Access To Space (C.A.T.S.).<br /><br />I DO SUPPORT- Decent funding and methods to educate our children about the wonders of the Universe.<br /><br />I DO SUPPORT- A final, MANNED servicing mission to Hubble. Riskier than a robot, but far quicker and cheaper to develop.<br /><br />I DO SUPPORT- Attaching a boost or de-orbit stage during that same mission.<br /><br />I DO SUPPORT- Ensuring A.S.A.P. that I.S.S. has a FULL crew of 6. Anything else is pointless.<br /><br />I DO SUPPORT- Giving the Shuttle fleet ample time to finish the I.S.S. and stock it with plenty of spares and experiment racks. This might mean retiring Shuttle in 2012, NOT 2010.<br /><br />I DO SUPPORT- Only a 2-year gap between ending the Shuttle and the debut of a new U.S. manned spacecraft, NOT 6 years!!<br /><br />I DO SUPPORT- The development of a new HLV, be it SDV or clean sheet.<br /><br />I DO SUPPORT- A Mars Sample Return probe mission. If a Manned Mars program gets delayed too much, this would be better than nothing.<br /> <br />I DO SUPPORT- A modular design for the prospective “Crew Exploration Vehicle”, one that can be tailored for both Lunar and Mars missions.<br /><br />I DO SUPPORT- The development of Nuclear Thermal and Nuclear-Electric propulsion systems.<br /><br />I DO SUPPORT- A system for the reliable and steady search for asteroids and comets harmful to Earth.<br /><br />I DO SUPPORT- Returning to the Moon, but NOT as a “Stepping Stone”. <br /><br />I DO SUPPORT- The view that the Moon is a legitimate destination in it’s own right. However, concentrating too much on the Moon would end up being a trap.<br /><br />I DO S <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p> </p><p>One Percent of Federal Funding For Space: America <strong><em><u>CAN</u></em></strong> Afford it!!  LEO is a <strong><em>Prison</em></strong> -- It's time for a <em><strong>JAILBREAK</strong></em>!!</p> </div>

 

[spayss]

I support bringing back a responsible space community that can work within the perameters of the real world which will bring real results.<br /><br />'I support' in this thread means the 'Give me, give me, me, me generation. I want, I want, I want."<br /><br /> Back to the real world. With a budget plus or minus a 10% of 15 billion, what do 'you support'?<br /><br />Finishing the ISS or a Moon mission?<br />More money for the Shuttle or research on a new spacecraft?<br /><br /> I support<br />- BMW for every American. <br />-Guaranteed tax refunds for everyone every year<br />-Lower taxes<br />-More spending on everything<br /><br /> If you really 'support 'a', then you have to do it at expense of not supporting 'b'. Otherwise it's just meaningless 'I want everything'.<br /><br /> <br /><br /> <br /><br />

 

[lunatic133]

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[spayss]

Being realistic isn't being a jerk. Your 'I want, I want , I want' unrealistic expectation shows immaturity.<br /><br /> In all the postings, Spacester is the only one grounded in pragmatism.<br /><br /> <br />

 

[thecolonel]

<i>I support <br />- BMW for every American. <br />-Guaranteed tax refunds for everyone every year <br />-Lower taxes <br />-More spending on everything <br /><br />Being realistic isn't being a jerk. Your 'I want, I want , I want' unrealistic expectation shows immaturity. <br /><br />In all the postings, Spacester is the only one grounded in pragmatism. </i><br /><br /><img src="/images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /> <-- Because sometimes a look says it all

 

[paleo]

Spayss, well said.<br /><br /> As a kid back in the 60's I'd flip through the Eaton's Christmas catalogue a hundred times and make notes of everything I wanted. Excluding the stuff for girls I'd end up just rewriting the catalogue so my wish list just became meaningless.<br /><br />I support ending manned space exploration until such time, if ever, it has a purpose. <br />I support moving those funds for non-manned space exploration and more Hubble-like projects.