To stop global warming....

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science_man

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"And this massive amount of hydrogen gas would come from where?"<br /><br />40,000 hydrogen balloon tanks!!!! But seriously, people help me out. Is there a way to get "massive" amounts of hydrogen? And crazyeddie, are u saying that if we did have this much hydrogen, it would work?? Admins and very intelligent people, will this this work?
 
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enigma10

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Personally, i think Heat sinks will do the trick.<img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <em>"<font color="#333399">An organism at war with itself is a doomed organism." - Carl Sagan</font></em> </div>
 
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lsbd

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Yeah would work real well, until some fool lights a match or a lightening bolt strikes or any other spark producing event occurs, then you get one massive global fireball. Talk about global warming!
 
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mkofron

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<blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr /><p>A far better solution would be to find ways to sequester carbon dioxide. <p><hr /></p></p></blockquote><br /><br />Easy, plant more trees.
 
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enigma10

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Actually, certain algaes would do the work better, the problem is they excrete methane when they die. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <em>"<font color="#333399">An organism at war with itself is a doomed organism." - Carl Sagan</font></em> </div>
 
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siarad

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Giant mirrors would be more easily produced to reflect the heat back.<br />Covering deserts in these would reduce warming a lot but I hate to think of the effect on the weather <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" /> <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" />
 
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nexium

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How about a billion 500 foot balloons, aluminized on the top 50% and black the bottom 20%, free flying at about 100,000 feet? That would be high enough that most of the reflected photons would return to space. That might cool the Earth 1 degrees c = 1.8 degrees f. The hydrogen won't burn at 100,000 feet. Neil
 
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siarad

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No, the heating is due to radiation hitting the ground so can equally be sent back. Sure some is lost to atmospheric heating just as it is on entering.<br />There's work on putting solar panels on glass so the mirror could be behind this, a double whammy, consuming & reflecting <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" />
 
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bdewoody

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We have as much of a chance of stopping global warming as we do stopping the population explosion, which by the way is probably the reason for global warming.<br /><br />My position is to stop trying to figure ways to reverse global warming and instead find ways to deal with it and turn it to our advantage. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <em><font size="2">Bob DeWoody</font></em> </div>
 
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lsbd

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I'd say killing off about 90% of the population would be a good start. AIDs or the bird flu should do the trick.
 
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bdewoody

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I wasn't going to go there as that solution isn't on the politically correct list.<br /><br />I agree that Mother Nature will deal with the situation in the long run. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <em><font size="2">Bob DeWoody</font></em> </div>
 
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halcyondays

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<<<<br />We have as much of a chance of stopping global warming as we do stopping the population explosion, which by the way is probably the reason for global warming. <br /> />>><br /><br />You may be right about being unable to stop global warming, but on a point of fact we seem to be doing rather well at stopping the population explosion. All forecasts for the world's population seem to show that growth will be zero some time in the second half of this century.
 
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Boris_Badenov

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Where did you get that info, do you have a link? <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <font color="#993300"><span class="body"><font size="2" color="#3366ff"><div align="center">. </div><div align="center">Never roll in the mud with a pig. You'll both get dirty & the pig likes it.</div></font></span></font> </div>
 
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pioneer0333

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I think that we need to simply eliminate fuel itslef. We need to figure out how to produce abundant energy that has no harmful effects on it's surroundings. Fossil fuels, alternative fuels and so on, all still going to produce some kind of emmision, that to me is unacceptable. I on the other hand am a firm believer in solar power and magnetism. We simply need to produce more efficient solar cells and more efficient batteries that can hold and maintain high charges. Or if you don't trust the sun, why not use the pressure of magnetism in an engine to push the pistons, instead of the combustion of gasoline to push the pistons. Simple as that, but oil companies will always eliminate threats that might stop their profit from fossil fuels. Even if the world dies from it, they will never stop using oil until there is no oil left in the world. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>
 
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nexium

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Would you believe, some forcasts are for zero population growth begining 2050? The prosparity in many countries begining in the first term of President Ronald Ragan, could end anytime and poverty persist for decades. Advertising, TV and movies could change the life style they promote. Islam may soon control half of the world. What do you think is causing a declining birth rate in many countries?<br />New ice age could begin next year.<br />Instead of limiting human released green house gas, we could sequester Mother Nature's emissions at less cost. Neil
 
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siarad

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<blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr /><p>but thermal radiation from the surface can't easily get back out.<p><hr /></p></p></blockquote><br />LOL you gave the answer while disagreeing <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" /><br />Mirrors are not the surface & <i>don't</i> change the wavelength, aka 'the greenhouse effect', so will reflect radiation through the existing 'hole' from whence they came. <br />Granted the mirroring would have to be on the surface of glass, ala telescopes, or a wider windowed plastics used such as Plexiglas maybe.
 
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siarad

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This isn't my field but you may have a good point .<br />If it takes less energy to kill magnetism at the Curie point than the energy transfered to the piston then it'll work. However it seems magnetism is like gravity & is inconsumable so this is probably going to be perpetual motion.<br />Nikola Tesla manged to design something that used both the action & reaction combined, sheer heresy...
 
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bdewoody

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That's not the information I've been hearing and seeing. Only a few countries have been able to limit their population growth. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <em><font size="2">Bob DeWoody</font></em> </div>
 
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pioneer0333

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The only thing that can stop population growth is stupidity. People will not want to have kids in a world infested with war, disease, and famine. And all of these things happen when the so-called world leaders focus on other things like letting their own problems get in the way of taking care of the people. <br /><br /> Will the kings ever fight their own battles, instead of sending millions of soldiers and innocent people to certain death? I will die for no idiological belief put forward by some A-hole living in luxury up on a hill. And Friday Night World Leader Fights will never happen. At least not in my life time. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>
 
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pioneer0333

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I forgot all about birth control and women who work instead of raising families. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>
 
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halcyondays

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Thank you, crazyeddie. It's amazing how the Malthusian myth of population growth still endures. You articulated the reasons for the likely rate of growth falling to zero before this century ends. That's not to say that the figure at which it stabilises won't be huge, and a huge burden to the world. But the world in the 20th century saw growth of a factor of 5 or 6, and we will never see that again. Even China's population is likely to stabilize at some point, and by around 2035 or earlier India will overtake it to become the most populous country. <br /><br />None of this mitigates the problem of global warming - if the entire world enjoyed the standard of living of the US or western Europe, we'd have a problem. The challenge the world has is somehow to engage with the Chinas and the Indias to rein in their economic growth (which per unit of output is far more polluting than western growth) for the sake of the world, but we all need to set an example. Yet why should they not be entitled to live as we do ?<br /><br />
 
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nexium

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War, disease and famine produces higher birth rates in humans and some other species. Perhaps we will reverse that trend in the near future. Trickle down ecconomics is still producing prosperity gains for both the poor and middle class in most cases. Why do you think trickle down will soon fail? Neil
 
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pioneer0333

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How can war, disease, and famine produce higher birth rates? Situations like these should cause lower rates. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>
 
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