What is a "Black Hole" my opinion

[vincenzosassone]

Then, after a certain threshold everything get philosophy...

 

[voidpotentialenergy]

I agree, I would add that the Universe is still expanding.

This made me remember the cyclical theory of our Universe. After the big bang, the Universe is expanding, then, it stops because gravity wins against dark enery, and then there is the big chrunch. After that, another big bang, with another cycle. Anyway, if the origin of the Universe is in itself, and our Universe is meant to continue doing cycles, this means our own Universe is a machin with perpetuum motion...

We might not like the idea that nothing can become everything or that our BB isn't all so regional thinking might be thinking that is wrong.
At least with o=everything we have an origin but we also have an origin for infinite others.

 

[johnz]

Yes, a system of universes is a machine for recycling mass and energy.

 

[voidpotentialenergy]

Yes, a system of universes is a machine for recycling mass and energy.

For sure it's an E origin and E recycling problem and not so much stars and everything else we see.
All we see IMO is part of the recycling of E, the behind the scenes quantum machine the recycle can.

 

[Harry Costas]

To understand how matter can mimic the vector forces and create an Event Horizon and thus mimic Black Holes, you will have to understand Condensates and their Trensients.

 

[voidpotentialenergy]

To understand how matter can mimic the vector forces and create an Event Horizon and thus mimic Black Holes, you will have to understand Condensates and their Trensients.

An event horizon doesn't exist in a time well.
Just deeper time with longer days as you go deeper.

When you think of a black hole and it's ability to overcome the nuclear force the only thing that can hold up a black hole is crunched time/activity. (time well)
Or our perspective of a black holes reality is so skewed that they have indeed collapsed into an infinite point and the time for this to show is forever in our perspective.
One or the other

 

[Atlan0101]

According to Einstein there is no time expansion or contraction without space expansion or contraction (no space expansion or contraction without time expansion or contraction). According to Einstein, it's all indivisibly one and the same 4-dimensional bubble of space (and/or alternatively, one and the same 4-dimensional bubble of time).

 

[Harry Costas]

Classical Black Hole is one option.
As scientists we should not be bound and restricted and thus look for alternate explanations.
We look at the physical properties that may explain.
One very important property of compact matter such as condensates is a dipolar electromagnetic vector force field.
We look at the varies condensates and their Trensients, from Neutron matter(compaction 10*17) to quark matter to partonic matter and so on to Axion Gluon matter(compaction10*35). Regardless of the compaction the dipolar vector force fields become stronger with compaction until the vector fields become strong enough to stop EMR from escaping perpendicular to the dipolar fields thus creating an event horizon.
A classical Black Hole fails to form due to the property of the core forming dipolar vortices expelling matter from the core.
We call this a Mimic Black Hole and we can observe such properties dipolar properties in Hour glass is Star supernova and M87 dipolar vortices.
The core of a mimic black hole cannot be seen for many light years. Once away from the Event Horizon the star of the vortex can be observed.
Star dipolar vortices have no event Horizon and therefore we observe the vortices coming from the core.

 

[voidpotentialenergy]

According to Einstein there is no time expansion or contraction without space expansion or contraction (no space expansion or contraction without time expansion or contraction). According to Einstein, it's all indivisibly one and the same 4-dimensional bubble of space (and/or alternatively, one and the same 4-dimensional bubble of time).

Time IMO is just activity/distance of fluctuation.
Without area time is either so crunched or non existent.
Easy solution why a black hole doesn't keep shrinking

 

[voidpotentialenergy]

Classical Black Hole is one option.
As scientists we should not be bound and restricted and thus look for alternate explanations.
We look at the physical properties that may explain.
One very important property of compact matter such as condensates is a dipolar electromagnetic vector force field.
We look at the varies condensates and their Trensients, from Neutron matter(compaction 10*17) to quark matter to partonic matter and so on to Axion Gluon matter(compaction10*35). Regardless of the compaction the dipolar vector force fields become stronger with compaction until the vector fields become strong enough to stop EMR from escaping perpendicular to the dipolar fields thus creating an event horizon.
A classical Black Hole fails to form due to the property of the core forming dipolar vortices expelling matter from the core.
We call this a Mimic Black Hole and we can observe such properties dipolar properties in Hour glass is Star supernova and M87 dipolar vortices.
The core of a mimic black hole cannot be seen for many light years. Once away from the Event Horizon the star of the vortex can be observed.
Star dipolar vortices have no event Horizon and therefore we observe the vortices coming from the core.

Neutron star and black hole are 2 different beasts.
Neutron star has everything converted into neutrons but still has matter without the nuclear force overcome.
Black hole has no physical law that stops it compressing forever.
Lack of time i think will be the answer to what a black hole is.
Like living on the 100th floor or 1st the passage of time is different.
A black hole with a gigantic number of floors each one more compressed in time will be the same just magnified to near infinite.

Having a black hole as just a time well solves why it doesn't infinite collapse.
It also removes the idea of singularity and event horizon and makes a black hole follow physics in a simple way for a simple reason.
JMO

 

[Harry Costas]

Neutron Stars as Black Holes are related by being Trensients of condensates.
Neutrons have the ability to compact because of their Neutrality. Compaction 10*17
Neutrons are made of Quarks and under extreme mass will be released from the Neutron confinement. Compaction 10*25 or so estimate
Quarks are made up Preon (partonic matter) and under extreme mass will will be released and compacted until 10*35
A black Hole will form when the core of the condensate prevents the EMR from escaping.
A classical Black Hole cannot form a singularity because of the dipolar magnetic vector force field ejecting matter away in the form of vortices.

 

[voidpotentialenergy]

Neutron Stars as Black Holes are related by being Trensients of condensates.
Neutrons have the ability to compact because of their Neutrality. Compaction 10*17
Neutrons are made of Quarks and under extreme mass will be released from the Neutron confinement. Compaction 10*25 or so estimate
Quarks are made up Preon (partonic matter) and under extreme mass will will be released and compacted until 10*35
A black Hole will form when the core of the condensate prevents the EMR from escaping.
A classical Black Hole cannot form a singularity because of the dipolar magnetic vector force field ejecting matter away in the form of vortices.

A neutron star and black hole are not related.
One is simply dense compacted matter and the other isn't matter at all compacted ?

Looking at a neutron star the time dilation is still small so images of them are very close to personal perspective.
Looking at a black hole has no reference point since everything in a black hole is dilated to infinity so personal perspective will be wrong to infinity.
Any measure of a black hole will be wrong to infinity.

Trying to pin down science to a black hole with an infinite dilation is always going to give a false result unless the dilation is the answer to a black hole.
JMO

 

[Harry Costas]

Black Hole does not dilate to infinity.
Singularity cannot form due to matter forming a dipolar vector force fields expelling matter away.
Maximum compaction is estimate to be about 10*35 formed by Axion Gluon Matter theoretical.
The universe is infinity and the therefore exists a process that recycles matter transforming from one phase to another infinitely.

 

[Harry Costas]

The Black Hole that I speak of is a condensate that mimics the forces of classical Black Hole without a singularity.

 

[voidpotentialenergy]

Black Hole does not dilate to infinity.
Singularity cannot form due to matter forming a dipolar vector force fields expelling matter away.
Maximum compaction is estimate to be about 10*35 formed by Axion Gluon Matter theoretical.
The universe is infinity and the therefore exists a process that recycles matter transforming from one phase to another infinitely.

Anything is possible for a black hole but what holds them up from becoming an infinite mass point has no reason in physics.
Lack of activity or lack of time for a better word.
A simple reason for it is quantum fluctuations abundance of nothing between the smallest things.
Compress away nothing and you compress the ability of any activity (time)

Time might not be as we understand, might not exist at all.
Moving and gravity effect perception of time so they are both linked to fluctuations medium.

A black hole dilation, who can say if it's just a time well or not.
dilation of time/activity is happening for sure.
Do we just get deeper time as we go deeper in a black hole that for all meaning is infinite slowed time.
Or does a black hole run out of activity as soon as material arrives and activity is compressed away with no real layers just a ball of no activity?

Both if those keep all physics laws in check and no real crazy mystery of a black hole physics needs to exist.
A singularity might or might not exist but only as a reference point to lack of activity below it.

JMO

 

[voidpotentialenergy]

Anything is possible for a black hole but what holds them up from becoming an infinite mass point has no reason in physics.
Lack of activity or lack of time for a better word.
A simple reason for it is quantum fluctuations abundance of nothing between the smallest things.
Compress away nothing and you compress the ability of any activity (time)

Time might not be as we understand, might not exist at all.
Moving and gravity effect perception of time so they are both linked to fluctuations medium.

A black hole dilation, who can say if it's just a time well or not.
dilation of time/activity is happening for sure.
Do we just get deeper time as we go deeper in a black hole that for all meaning is infinite slowed time.
Or does a black hole run out of activity as soon as material arrives and activity is compressed away with no real layers just a ball of no activity?

Both if those keep all physics laws in check and no real crazy mystery of a black hole physics needs to exist.
A singularity might or might not exist but only as a reference point to lack of activity below it.
A black hole has no matter, nuclear form is overcome.
Best guess as to what a black hole material is with no law holding it up.

JMO

 

[Harry Costas]

Physics is the answer.
Keep researching
Go on the journey of discovery.
What creates the vector forces expelling away from black holes and what creates the great attraction that creates an Event Horizon.
We can explain all.

 

[voidpotentialenergy]

Physics is the answer.
Keep researching
Go on the journey of discovery.
What creates the vector forces expelling away from black holes and what creates the great attraction that creates an Event Horizon.
We can explain all.

Been at black hole theory for 30 years and IMO much of what is written about them has no physics reality.
3/4 of them make the mistake of thinking matter exists in them, lots of the others try to measure diameter/mass without thinking about the dilation giving false results .
Measuring something that is so dilated from our perspective is always going to be wrong.
An entire new idea is needed for a black hole with a way to allow physics laws to exist.
No easier way to answer it than a time well held up (no infinite mass point) by lack of activity/time.
Last step beyond the nuclear force.

A black hole can simply be a place with no empty space and no activity.
The universe at it's essence is smallest things with empty space (nothing) between them and lots of it.

JMO

 

[Atlan0101]

Yes, "singularity" does exist.

Nothing travels, as such, any closer to the speed of light than (+/-)186,000mps ((+/-)300,000kps). It can only be closed-systematically accelerated to. Accelerated to, as in accelerating into a point (into a "singularity"). Einstein's fourth dimension of space, time, is a point (0-point). That point is what merges space and time to a space-time point-bubble elasticity. A finite potential of infinity observed outside in. The fulfillment (of infinity) inside out.

A black hole is, probably, entirely its 'doughnut' torus and/or ring(s) of event horizon. It isn't a sphere with an atomic core like our star or any other similar spherical star. You, if you were a traveler, were to go with the grain of a black hole's event horizon you might probably be going with the grain of an accelerating expansion (something like 'c' squaring) that could, ultimately, just keep on expanding to infinity. But between beginning to go with the grain, and going for infinity, you the traveler might encounter an infinity of territory -- an infinity of "well" and frontiers, so to speak -- opening in 'horizons' and having to be crossed. Survive, you the traveler might want to stop along the way to find what you were searching for in the first place . . . because your odds of getting back home would be one point-horizon in an infinity of point-horizons.

 

[voidpotentialenergy]

Yes, "singularity" does exist.

Nothing travels, as such, any closer to the speed of light than (+/-)186,000mps ((+/-)300,000kps). It can only be closed-systematically accelerated to. Accelerated to, as in accelerating into a point (into a "singularity"). Einstein's fourth dimension of space, time, is a point (0-point). That point is what merges space and time to a space-time point-bubble elasticity. A finite potential of infinity observed outside in. The fulfillment (of infinity) inside out.

A black hole is, probably, entirely its 'doughnut' torus and/or ring(s) of event horizon. It isn't a sphere with an atomic core like our star or any other similar spherical star. You, if you were a traveler, were to go with the grain of a black hole's event horizon you might probably be going with the grain of an accelerating expansion (something like 'c' squaring) that could, ultimately, just keep on expanding to infinity. But between beginning to go with the grain, and going for infinity, you the traveler might encounter an infinity of territory -- an infinity of "well" and frontiers, so to speak -- opening in 'horizons' and having to be crossed. Survive, you the traveler might want to stop along the way to find what you were searching for in the first place . . . because your odds of getting back home would be one point-horizon in an infinity of point-horizons.

Or a black hole is a time well of no activity.
A event horizon only exists as the marker between activity and no activity.
Light/matter traveling towards a black hole looses activity/distance as it gets closer.
The distance of the tiniest things becomes smaller effecting time/activity.
A singularity won't exist in a time well.
Take away the (nothing) between the smallest things and i think it = compression of time/activity.

All the physics laws are allowed in that scenario.
A black hole just becomes a region of no activity under compression.

JMO

 

[Harry Costas]

Imagination plays a part in many movies

 

[vincenzosassone]

I don't know how many times I've said that, but I want to repeat it: a Black Hole isn't made of matter. Of course, it was created by matter, a lot of matter compressed under the force of gravity, but then it isn't matter anymore. Even if it were matter, we would have to think about it as if it weren't because all pressure that is there is strong enough to change it.
Look at that:
https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › List_of_states_of_matter
These are all kind of matter's states in existence now. They aren't three as I thought before... They must be 23 if I'm not mistaken.
There are insteresting kind of matter like neutron matter, strange matter, quark gluon plasma and so on. These states can be found in neutron stars that aren't even so close to the pressure inside a Black Hole.

Physics is the answer.

I don't know how far physics can get. IMO we need new physics laws for them.

A black hole is, probably, entirely its 'doughnut' torus and/or ring(s) of event horizon. It isn't a sphere with an atomic core like our star or any other similar spherical star. You, if you were a traveler, were to go with the grain of a black hole's event horizon you might probably be going with the grain of an accelerating expansion (something like 'c' squaring) that could, ultimately, just keep on expanding to infinity. But between beginning to go with the grain, and going for infinity, you the traveler might encounter an infinity of territory -- an infinity of "well" and frontiers, so to speak -- opening in 'horizons' and having to be crossed. Survive, you the traveler might want to stop along the way to find what you were searching for in the first place . . . because your odds of getting back home would be one point-horizon in an infinity of point-horizons.

That's interesting, it might be!

 

[vincenzosassone]

A black hole just becomes a region of no activity under compression.

Something like a hollow sphere

 

[Atlan0101]

Something like a hollow sphere

Not according to all those enhanced pictures and illustrations showing jets shooting perpendicularly from the disk. Those jets should tell us clearly that if blackholes double as wormholes, the 'skip' horizon, so to speak, runs the curve of the grain of the torus-like event horizon rather than having entrance where those gun barrel-like outpouring jets come from.

I know that many illustrations try to illustrate blackholes as looking no different in shape than the usual run of the mill stars, spherical in shape, but that has to be wrong, not only because of the gravity, if gravity at all, but because of the sheer heat (akin to the superheatedness of the flat-smooth universe as I see it). They are disk flat with those jets appearing like laser quality tornadic spindles running -- barreling -- perpendicular to, through (though not actually through, of course) the center of the more or less flat disk (there are times I think it would be something if, altogether in all the universes of space and time, those perpendicular jets qualified as the entity of (Planck) Big Bang).

 

[Star gazer]

Not that it matters, (pun intended), but the thought arguement being:

What if we have fallen in a black hole already and do not even realize it?

The recent launch of the James Webb space telescope reportedly has the ability to peer back over 13 billion years, into space. With the time dialation, it took me that long to come into exsistence and to realize this.