Question What is the farthest distance an animal has traveled in space?

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Filter or 'reducing valve' theory of mind suggests that the origin of consciousness/life could be the Neutrino particle.

When life would be bound to a region around the Sun, then it may not be possible for animals to live on 🪐 Mars or to explore deep space.

A feature of the biological cell, plant and animal alike, is that all cells have a similar size, which is approximately 10 microns. When Neutrinos are the origin of consciousness/life then perhaps, the distance between the Earth and the Sun and the size of the biological cell are tied to enable life.

(2015) Neutrino-biological cell theory of mind
Surprisingly, weak force decoherence times over cellular distances are of the relevant dynamical timescale needed, suggesting that if any force is associated with the global properties in and between neurons (such as consciousness) it is the weak force. This finding concurs with a twenty year old theory that argues for a fundamental link between the weak force, electron neutrino and the biological cell. That theory also predicted the mass of the electron neutrino that is soon to be verified. The consequences for biology and future consciousness theories, of this radical change of paradigm, are considered.
https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/f8f7/977fed4fc4f3663634bf3f2185f478b60cae.pdf

Neutrinos would interact with the weak force. Weak force interaction was measured for the first time in 2018 between protons and neutrons.

Neutrinos travel at the speed of light and in exact straight lines. The particles pass straight through stars such as the Sun, and straight through the earth's iron core.

It is estimated that 10 trillion Neutrinos fly through every square centimeter of space per second (within Earth's region in the solar system).

Neutrinos can morph, increasing their mass up to 3000x in size (maybe more, recently a fourth heavy weight flavor was discovered) which is why the particle is called a "Ghost Particle".

When Neutrinos are the origin of consciousness/life, then, Earth life may be bound to a region around the Sun.

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1) What is the farthest distance an animal has traveled in space?

2) Is there evidence that Earth life is possible in deep space?

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1) To my knowledge, the furthest that any animal has traveled in space would be the far side of low lunar orbit (animal = man).
2) No. Since we have never explored into deep space (my assumption being between stars), we have no craft that have traveled that far. The Voyagers MIGHT be there, but they may not be able to detect everything that may be harmful to Earth life; to include extremophiles.

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I agree with Wolf, and I'm glad that people stopped sending animals to space...How many Soviet dogs died during and after such trips...
What about an insect in their 'dream environment'? Wouldn't it be important to know whether life is possible beyond earth's region within the solar system?
 
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With regard Neutrinos being the origin of consciousness/life.

My logic shows that consciousness/life cannot be caused in the brain or in the individual.

Simple logic makes it evident at first sight: the origin of valuing cannot be value (a simple logical truth¹: something cannot be the origin of itself).

When one looks at the origin of consciousness, one looks at the origin of a manifestation. Properties such as cognition, perception and memory are manifestations. At question would be: why do those manifestations exist? What is the cause or origin?

The mentioned properties can only become manifested on the basis of information obtained by the senses, i.e. the mentioned properties of consciousness follow the origin of the senses. The scope of the quest can therefore be reduced to explaining the origin of the senses.

The origin of the senses is necessarily valuing because one is to assume a preceding position of 'lack of reason'. if it were to be otherwise, there would be nothing to be sensed. The scope of the quest can therefor be reduced to explaining the origin of valuing.

As is evident from the mentioned simple logical truth¹, what precedes valuing cannot be value and one is therefor required to look outside the scope of the individual for the origin of valuing.

Based on this logic the origin of consciousness/life must lay outside the scope of the individual.

The brain and human body may merely be an instrument.

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It appears logical that the Sun may be the giver of life and the Neutrino particle or "Ghost Particle" may be the origin of life.

Neutrinos travel at the speed of light and in exact straight lines. The particles pass straight through stars such as the Sun, and straight through the earth's iron core.

It is estimated that 10 trillion Neutrinos fly through every square centimeter of space per second (within Earth's region in the solar system).

Neutrinos can morph, increasing their mass up to 3000x in size (maybe more, recently a fourth heavy weight flavor was discovered) which is why the particle is called a "Ghost Particle".

What could explain an act out of itself by a particle so small that it can pass straight through the core of the Sun? Perhaps it is a clue for the origin of consciousness/life.

When Neutrinos are the origin of consciousness/life, then, Earth life may be bound to a region around the Sun.
 
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Well, when considering that as of today, there is no valid theory for the origin of consciousness/life, using logic to explore new theories may provide the best opportunity to discover new paths towards a valid explanation of consciousness/life.

This topic merely asks a simple question: what is the farthest distance that an animal has traveled and whether there is evidence that Earth life is possible in deep space.

The provided theory is merely intended to indicate that there may be a logical ground (including emerging new theories of mind) on the basis of which it may be applicable to question whether for example animals can live on 🪐 Mars.

If the farthest distance that an animal has traveled is around the 🌑 Moon, then perhaps, the great investments that are being made to live on 🪐 Mars may be at risk.

(2019) Science as we know it can’t explain consciousness – but a revolution is coming
 

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Well, if science cannot explain consciousness, where are you going to look for it?
I would suggest (and it is only a wild suggestion) that you look where most of the Universe is - dark matter/energy.

OK, you could try Tibet or behind the Iron Curtain, or Antarctica; your guess might be as good as mine?

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Well, if science cannot explain consciousness, where are you going to look for it?
I would suggest (and it is only a wild suggestion) that you look where most of the Universe is - dark matter/energy.

OK, you could try Tibet or behind the Iron Curtain, or Antarctica; your guess might be as good as mine?

Cat :) :) :)
Perhaps it is. Sterile Neutrinos may explain dark matter, according a study published yesterday.

(2021) Portal to the Dark Side: Sterile Neutrinos an Intriguing Possibility in the Quest for Understanding Dark Matter
 
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Sterile Neutrinos may explain dark matter. Are you sure?

Cat :)
Well, the idea of dark matter (the concept), or whatever the origin is of the idea that there is dark matter in the Universe.

 

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"may explain dark matter"
"May explain" means absolutely zilch.

OK, killing an ant in Pennsylvania MAY EXPLAIN the rotation of Jupiter.

And . . . . . . . . . it may not. It's just a sub headline.

Cat :)
 
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It wouldn't really matter. It is merely a lead for a possible explanation that indicates that it may be applicable to question whether Earth life is possible outside a region around the Sun.

Therewith the question: what is the farthest distance that an animal has traveled in space?

If the farthest distance that an animal has traveled is around the 🌑 Moon, then perhaps, the great investments that are being made to live on 🪐 Mars may be at risk.
 

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This neglects any protection afforded by the carrier. A microbe might travel ten zillion light years in a solid lead protected vessel. That does not mean that humans can travel that distance irrespective of other practical considerations.

Cat :)
 
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I want to explore extraterrestrial life in Solar System, but using animals seems too inhuman for me.
What about 🦗🦟🐜🕷🐛🐌 when they receive the opportunity to live healthily, reproduce and return to 🌎?

Is there evidence that 🦠 bacteria can survive beyond 🪐 Mars?
 
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Can't think of any probe that has gone past Mars and returned to Earth, so I'd say no. There is no evidence.

-Wolf sends
Wouldn't it seem logical that life originates from the Sun? What would be the basis for the idea that it started randomly at some point in time and was passed on like a fire?

Wouldn't it be one of the first things to test whether Earth life is bound to a region around the Sun?

I simply cannot understand how humans would suffice with some Earth / Moon based testing to assume that they can safely explore the Solar system, and are already investing trillions of USD for a mission to Mars in 2035.



It seems crazy that no insect or bacteria as of today, went farther than the 🌑 Moon.
 
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In the Neutrino-biological cell theory of consciousness/life for example, Neutrinos (from the Sun) would be the origin of life.

Neutrinos would interact with the weak force. Weak force interaction was measured for the first time in 2018 between protons and neutrons. Today's technology is not yet capable of measuring 'weak force' based interaction at the level of Neutrinos.


(2015) Neutrino-biological cell theory of consciousness
Surprisingly, weak force decoherence times over cellular distances are of the relevant dynamical timescale needed, suggesting that if any force is associated with the global properties in and between neurons (such as consciousness) it is the weak force. This finding concurs with a twenty year old theory that argues for a fundamental link between the weak force, electron neutrino and the biological cell. That theory also predicted the mass of the electron neutrino that is soon to be verified. The consequences for biology and future consciousness theories, of this radical change of paradigm, are considered.

In general: why would one assume that the Sun is not the giver of life, and that life is something independent of the Solar system?
 
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Is there evidence that 🦠 bacteria can survive beyond 🪐 Mars?
Well, kinda, but indirect evidence. There was bacteria(?) found on the Moon, but I think it was on a lens cap, so it was determined to have come along on the ride from Earth. :)

There was news in the last few days of a microorganism that was still alive after 27,000 years in ice.
 
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Bacteria can survive almost anywhere - in the most extreme locations on planet Earth.
So what does that prove? So they probably would survive to Mars and back . . . . . . . . . and much further. It doesn't prove that they originate there.

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Well, kinda, but indirect evidence. There was bacteria(?) found on the Moon, but I think it was on a lens cap, so it was determined to have come along on the ride from Earth. :)

There was news in the last few days of a microorganism that was still alive after 27,000 years in ice.
Do you have a reference? Is it evident that the 🦠 bacteria traveled beyond 🪐 Mars and returned alive?
 

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