Where did the universe's magnetic fields come from?

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How the universe got its large magnetic fields has remained one of the stickiest outstanding problems in astrophysics. Now, researchers have proposed a novel solution: a giant "dust battery" operating when the first stars appeared.

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[Classical Motion]

It comes from charge. Charge is 1/2 E and 1/2 M. And unlike E, M can be manufactured beyond what charge gives us. M is analog, while E is digital.

 

[orsobubu]

It comes from charge. Charge is 1/2 E and 1/2 M. And unlike E, M can be manufactured beyond what charge gives us. M is analog, while E is digital.

I wonder whether it is reasonable to ask questions such as the ultimate origin of the universal magnetic field, if quantum electrodynamics theory is still based on idealistic and exclusively mathematical absurdities such as virtual particles and messenger photons.

 

[Atlan0001]

A magnetic field has nothing to do with the speed of light, so a magnetic bubble of field centering upon a galaxy realized to be dealing in the entire flatland disk of the galaxy, above and below it, is as unitary as any other magnetic field of physics. It exists over and across space and over and across time, but being unitary, not over SPACETIME.

SPACETIME has too few dimensions (just four) . . . and/or too many dimensions (four more than zero) . . . for a unitary magnetic field.

 

[billslugg]

There is no such thing as a magnetic field, it is simply the electric field adjusted for relativity when any charge is moving relative to the observer. The "reality" of the magnetic field is no more "real" than the contour lines on a map.
The fact we can detect a "magnetic field" of the universe tells us there is some charge out there and it is moving.

 

[Atlan0001]

There is no such thing as a magnetic field, it is simply the electric field adjusted for relativity when any charge is moving relative to the observer. The "reality" of the magnetic field is no more "real" than the contour lines on a map.
The fact we can detect a "magnetic field" of the universe tells us there is some charge out there and it is moving.

It is no more limited to SPACETIME than a quantum entangling wormhole or blackhole.

 

[Atlan0001]

To widen the meaning, it is no more limited to SPACETIME's astronomical slows (the slowness) of the speed of light than a quantum entangling wormhole or blackhole. A galaxy is in the 'hole' (the quantum 'hole' if you will) of a magnetic field.

 

[Atlan0001]

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Which is probably why it can 'hold' together throughout (maybe without need of dark matter) without flying apart.

 

[Classical Motion]

The E is a one direction isotropic field. It’s linear. And it’s self repulsive. Divergent.

The M is bi-directional field, an angular field. And it’s closed. Easily converged. With at least one area of convergence. But can have multiple “poles”. Can be put in series. An attractive series.

These are very different dynamics. And why, you don’t see the M until alignment. But it’s always there. Just like E.

Moving a charge does not convert the fields. It just aligns them.

It takes an alignment flux to detect the M field. A flux of charge alignment. And current is an aligned flux. Some metals can be induced and hold that alignment. Some can be molded with alignment.

 

[Classical Motion]

Most think that charge, e, is a spec of electrical potential. Don’t do that. Think of charge as a line of current. This is particle current, not electrical electron current.

Think of e as a current loop. And every-time it rotates once, it’s one e of current.

The speed of the rotation is constant, and the only way to change that current is to change the length of the rotation. Which varies the RPM. A ground state charge has about 18 amps of current. But for a proton, the rotation is so short, the proton has about 30,000 amps. These are huge differences. In energy AND size. And RPM.

For an E potential, only a net number in the vicinity is needed. BUT for an M field, that net charge has to be aligned. If it’s not aligned, you can’t detect it. M must be aligned for superposition. E needs no alignment.

A copper wire has just a much free M dipoles as it has free charge and free e. To give the wire an E potential, only separation of free e is needed. But for the M, free alignment is necessary. A current will align the charge. And let you see M.

Ampere had it right all along. Current loops.

E is number, M is alignment.

 

[Atlan0001]

It is either the physic of magnetic fields or a different quantum based physic altogether, to wit the strong interaction (the strong force) present in the macrocosm as well as the microcosm . . . as I've claimed before (the microcosm modeling the actual omni-directional magnitudinous extended broader and deeper entity of the macrocosm beyond the superficial local-relative observable and that entity being the model, the microcosm, back)! Look up the "Cantor set" in Wikipedia for an illustration of the breakage . . . aka the unobserved, unobservable, missing universe in all of an infinity of folds (an infinity of folded universe) in the so-called "accelerating expansion of the universe"!

 

[Thermoman]

How the universe got its large magnetic fields has remained one of the stickiest outstanding problems in astrophysics. Now, researchers have proposed a novel solution: a giant "dust battery" operating when the first stars appeared.

Where did the universe's magnetic fields come from? : Read more

Interesting , only one magnetic field has been proven and this of cause is the Earths magnetic field . All other magnetic fields are assumed based on localised physics and Einsteins mention of , ''physics is the same everywhere''. (Think it was Einstein who said this)

Now by definition , the Universe is all of space (observed and unseen ) and all of the matter and energy . Can you please define what you mean specifically by ''How the universe got its large magnetic fields''?

Note I am not referring to magnets , I am being more specific towards spatial bodies such as the Earth !

 

[Thermoman]

It comes from charge. Charge is 1/2 E and 1/2 M. And unlike E, M can be manufactured beyond what charge gives us. M is analog, while E is digital.

Wouldn't a magnet shock you if your reply was the correct answer ?

Wouldn't people be shocked by the atmosphere and Earths field ?

Wouldn't a voltage be measued from a magnet saving the planet and providing free energy?

 

[billslugg]

Al magnetic fields, including permanent magnets are the result of charges that are moving. If you find a magnetic field somewhere, you can be sure that there is a charge somewhere moving relative to you. In a permanent magnet, the movement is on the quantum scale and not readily observable but it is there.

 

[Classical Motion]

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[billslugg]

A permanent magnet cannot shock you as the movement of the charges is on an atomic scale and not accessible to us.

People are occasionally shocked by the Earth's electric field during thunderstorms. People have been shocked by a changing Earth magnetic field when the Carrington event in 1858 sent sparks flying out of telegraph keys.

A voltage cannot be measured on a permanent magnet because we don't have voltmeters small enough.

 

[Thermoman]

Al magnetic fields, including permanent magnets are the result of charges that are moving. If you find a magnetic field somewhere, you can be sure that there is a charge somewhere moving relative to you. In a permanent magnet, the movement is on the quantum scale and not readily observable but it is there.

That would be impossible because space or space-time has no conductive properties , there would be no force to expand a magnetic field from the source !

How would you explain +ve from the source ?

 

[Classical Motion]

Space has no resistive or reactive properties. There is nothing stopping the M expansion. OR the E shine.

 

[Thermoman]

Space has no resistive or reactive properties.

That is correct but space has several other properties !

 

[Classical Motion]

Only made up properties. Only matter and field are and have properties. Space like life are singular entities. One is full and one is empty.

 

[Thermoman]

Only made up properties.

Not at all , real properties !

1.Space cannot be created or destroyed
2.Space is ageless
3.Space is transparent
4.Space has an inherent conservation force namely Gravity-B

I look forward to you trying to falsify these properties !

 

[Thermoman]

The galaxy spins on an axis like the Earth spinning on an axis, and the magnetic field of the Earth is as flat through the equatorial disk of it as is the galaxy through the equatorial disk of it (the solar system moving around with the galaxy disk, coming around in spin cycle to here in the universe every 230, 000, 000 years (supposedly), the Earth 'come around' spin cycle being, of course, 24 hours, Earth orbiting the sun in spin cycle each Earth year.

If the Earth was ever the other side of the Sun , constellations would vanish for this duration ,being ''washed out'' by the light !

The Sun is ''below'' the Earth relatively . If somebody lies on their back in Australia , head directed north , they don't see the Sun North at the equator , they look '''down'' to the South Pole . We all see the Sun spatial South .

The Earth sort of orbits the top of a cone relative to the nozel !

 

[Classical Motion]

Nothingness can not be created. Nothingness can not destroyed. NO THING THERE.

There is no time in space. The only thing that manufactures and consumes duration is matter and field.

Nothingness is the ultimate transparency. Not surprising.

I have no idea what G is, let alone G-B. But there is nothing in space to conserve, except it’s nothingness.

And maybe it is, because matter is hollow.

But conserving nothingness has no advantage. If anything it’s an unbreakable barrier.

 

[Atlan0001]

The flat equatorial solar systemic disk spinning on its sun centered axis orbits the galactic center perpendicularly on end, the more crowded center of the galaxy always being over the south pole, the more barren outer edge of the galaxy always being over the north pole (at least for the time being)!

 

[Thermoman]

Nothingness can not be created. Nothingness can not destroyed. NO THING THERE.

There is no time in space. The only thing that manufactures and consumes duration is matter and field.

Nothingness is the ultimate transparency. Not surprising.

I have no idea what G is, let alone G-B. But there is nothing in space to conserve, except it’s nothingness.

And maybe it is, because matter is hollow.

But conserving nothingness has no advantage. If anything it’s an unbreakable barrier.

Nothingness conserves point energy , single points of light that overtime construct a manifold . The QM (Quantum Mainframe ) is the Aether , Space-time , Higgs field conserved by space . A mainframe that allows for motion within the frame .

Gravity-A and Gravity-B are the elementary forces of the Universe !