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Why fails SETI? - Why the Fermi paradox?

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"Records"

How about the actual things the "records" recorded? All of this implied, advanced tech...you would think some of it would be a bit more resilient than simply the records of it.
It could be that some things were stored on crystals in the past. I would think a few may be locked up deep under the Sphinx. And even if their was I am sure they wouldn't let us know what is on them and or even get in there to get them.
 
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That's the same problem singularities cause for everything, including heat, mass, matter, and all the other forces. That doesn't undermine "gravity as a force".
It does undermine (singularities) as a part of reality.
bad conclusion from bad math or simply bad idea about nature of gravity.

Throw away the idea of singularities and replace with compression of time/activity then a black hole and gravity become simple.
JMO
 
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When I wrote in my personal journal at 17 (now 65) that "Time is Rate of Consciousness.) I might have had a hint. When very smart people like Hawking and others dealing with the question of time and space stated that time is a human invention and experience... Well, since then I learned about dimensions (11 known) where space, time and other physics might be completely different all bets were off.
 
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The advanced tech. The advanced art.
The advanced fabrics, or medicinal devices, or the advanced metal alloys, or the advanced machines. Anachronistically speaking, of course.

Where did it all go?
Where does everything go over time? Buried. Have you ever heard of erosion? Lots of things inside the pyramids in Egypt also which aren't allowed to be explored. Atlantis sunk in the ocean more than likely in the area of the Bermuda triangle. Not many want to go there and explore deep in the ocean in that area. :D
 
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I don't think anyone can figure out what gravity is. Which you would think somebody could by now. It kind of baffles me really that nobody can say for sure. I think you got some good theories on it though.
Gravity according to Einstein's Theory of Relativity is actually a warping of space by mass. He showed that this also explains the bending of light by stars' gravity, which is a well observed phenomenon. This makes gravity not really a "force" of the same type as the electromagnetic, strong and weak forces. Thus it's not mediated by "gravitons" and cannot, in principle, be unified with these forces because it's not (strictly speaking) a force. Think again about the fact that gravity bends light. Photons are massless so, according to Newton's formula for gravity, it should have no effect on them. But it does. Thus it baffles me why a lot a quantum physicists are still trying to incorporate gravity as the fourth force. My prediction is, they'll never succeed (for the reasons stated)....
 
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Gravity according to Einstein's Theory of Relativity is actually a warping of space by mass. He showed that this also explains the bending of light by stars' gravity, which is a well observed phenomenon. This makes gravity not really a "force" of the same type as the electromagnetic, strong and weak forces. Thus it's not mediated by "gravitons" and cannot, in principle, be unified with these forces because it's not (strictly speaking) a force. Think again about the fact that gravity bends light. Photons are massless so, according to Newton's formula for gravity, it should have no effect on them. But it does. Thus it baffles me why a lot a quantum physicists are still trying to incorporate gravity as the fourth force. My prediction is, they'll never succeed (for the reasons stated)....
It's definitely a mind bender to say the least.lol! Do you think it is possible to harness gravity? If so that may be the key to time travel I think. If it can bend light I think it would make sense that if gravity is harnessed it maybe used to warp spacetime. Just a thought not sure if this has been said before.
 
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Here's my layman's take on things. Number one, we call ourselves "intelligent" life, but how intelligent are we really? Just because we have language, the ability to reason and can build things, and even travel to our own Moon does not mean we have a superior intelligence. We remain the same killing machines we were tens of thousands of years ago when we fought for a particular habitat to reside. Not much has changed in the ensuing years. We are still only a blink away from self annihilation, not so intelligent imo.

I have little doubt that in the vastness of the Universe there are BILLIONS of planets that have some form of "intelligent" life and there may be millions of far more intelligence than ours. Regardless of that conclusion they (as well as us) are all faced with the same problem. We are all designed only to propagate the planet we are born to. No matter how much we evolve, all other parts of the Universe will probably always remain inhospitable to our survival. This may well be the case for any other intelligent life form that shares this Universe with us.

Even to be able to communicate with another life form that is hundreds, thousands or millions of light years away is improbable at best and impossible more likely. What we do know is that we are the superior species on this inconsequential little ball of dirt flying through space. And it will probably remain this way until we either become extinct through our own doing or due to some cataclysmic event.

If there were a vastly superior species out there that somehow found a way to not only find us but to visit our little planet, they might decide to pillage us and our resources in the same way we have done to each other and our planet for the last 50,000 years. I tend to agree with Hawking there. Better we not be discovered before we wipe ourselves out.
I agree life out there don't need us to help them and we don't need them but now we are popping like never before and its only time sending signals all over cosmos that intelligent life well pick it up we can depend on that
 
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Gravity according to Einstein's Theory of Relativity is actually a warping of space by mass. He showed that this also explains the bending of light by stars' gravity, which is a well observed phenomenon. This makes gravity not really a "force" of the same type as the electromagnetic, strong and weak forces. Thus it's not mediated by "gravitons" and cannot, in principle, be unified with these forces because it's not (strictly speaking) a force. Think again about the fact that gravity bends light. Photons are massless so, according to Newton's formula for gravity, it should have no effect on them. But it does. Thus it baffles me why a lot a quantum physicists are still trying to incorporate gravity as the fourth force. My prediction is, they'll never succeed (for the reasons stated)....
gravity is hot and cold working in harmony that is it het pushes out and cold pushes in
 
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Gravity according to Einstein's Theory of Relativity is actually a warping of space by mass. He showed that this also explains the bending of light by stars' gravity, which is a well observed phenomenon. This makes gravity not really a "force" of the same type as the electromagnetic, strong and weak forces. Thus it's not mediated by "gravitons" and cannot, in principle, be unified with these forces because it's not (strictly speaking) a force. Think again about the fact that gravity bends light. Photons are massless so, according to Newton's formula for gravity, it should have no effect on them. But it does. Thus it baffles me why a lot a quantum physicists are still trying to incorporate gravity as the fourth force. My prediction is, they'll never succeed (for the reasons stated)....
Gravity IMO is simply a compression.
Not a force at all.
A compressed area of space that also compresses activity/time.
Why a black hole doesn't become infinite mass/gravity is compression of time/activity.
Singularities IMO are wrong and no proof of infinite mass/gravity exists say they are wrong theory.
Relativity rightish but for the wrong reason.
 
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Here's my layman's take on things. Number one, we call ourselves "intelligent" life, but how intelligent are we really? Just because we have language, the ability to reason and can build things, and even travel to our own Moon does not mean we have a superior intelligence. We remain the same killing machines we were tens of thousands of years ago when we fought for a particular habitat to reside. Not much has changed in the ensuing years. We are still only a blink away from self annihilation, not so intelligent imo.
I've seen too many of this misanthropists-type joke... "How could we call ourselves intellegent when we evils as beasts?" ...

Like seriously, Do "intellegence" is measured by morality and ethics ??
I'm very strongly disagree with that....
 
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Like seriously, Do "intellegence" is measured by morality and ethics ??
That's an interesting question. We should be able to draw clear distinctions between intelligence and morality. There are many with low IQs that demonstrate greater morality than those with higher IQs.

But there would be an overlap, however, because doing immoral things are usually regarded as stupid.
 
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Well I am no scientist but even for me it is obvious why SETI in more than 50 years did not detect any intelligent radio signal and why Fermi was asking “Where is anybody”?

I think they were and they still are simply looking in the wrong direction. Why would any advanced intelligent civilization use radio waves or light waves for their communication? Only because our scientists think, it is the fastest way of communication? Oh come on, 300 years ago we used smoke signals, 200 years ago we used Morse codes and the electric telegraph, since 100 years we use radio waves. An intelligent civilization might be thousands or even millions of years ahead of us and our scientists really think they use radio waves?

Radio waves are fast, but even a radio signal needs about 15-25 minutes to reach Mars, 70-80 minutes to reach Saturn and approx. 4 hours to reach Pluto. And that’s the time it needs for any communication only within our solar system, a radio message to our closest star Alpha Centauri would take already more than 4 years.

Now imagine an interstellar travelling spaceship which is in trouble and needs urgent help. They are at one end of our galaxy and their home planet is located at the other end of the galaxy. Now would they send a radio message like “Houston, we have a problem” they would have to wait around 200,000 years for an answer. Not exactly very efficient and helpful right?

So what kind of communication might they use? Well, the only possible answer is: something which is instant, something we yet have to discover and therefore we are still not able to detect.

Maybe in some thousand years the human brain will evolve so far that we are capable of Telepathy which would be an instant form of communication. A communication form based on Quantum mechanics, where two particles interact instantaneously regardless how far they are apart might be another way of an instant communication. But I guess they would use something we still can´t even imagine.

Well forgive me if my thoughts sound naive or even stupid, but as I mentioned, I am no scientist and I personally think projects like SETI and Breakthrough Listen simply take the wrong approach to detect intelligent life which for sure must be anywhere out there.
You are assuming that another possible intelligent life will assume we have reach their level of communication if it happens to be more sophisticated technology. Would it not be better to assume they would search all spectrums available for communication assuming not all intelligent aliens could be on the same level of tech.
 
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That's an interesting question. We should be able to draw clear distinctions between intelligence and morality. There are many with low IQs that demonstrate greater morality than those with higher IQs.

But there would be an overlap, however, because doing immoral things are usually regarded as stupid.
There's a reason why EQs (Emotional Quantity) is a thing....
And just like you said the more higher the IQs of person there's a tendency of behaviors that were deemed wrong by ethic codes...

This reminds me of quote that's says "Power tends to corrupts"...
 
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That's an interesting question. We should be able to draw clear distinctions between intelligence and morality. There are many with low IQs that demonstrate greater morality than those with higher IQs.

But there would be an overlap, however, because doing immoral things are usually regarded as stupid.
Intelligence is a subjective concept devised by our own species. It is all relative.
 
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You are assuming that another possible intelligent life will assume we have reach their level of communication if it happens to be more sophisticated technology. Would it not be better to assume they would search all spectrums available for communication assuming not all intelligent aliens could be on the same level of tech.
Why does everyone assume that there is other intelligent life out there but that we have not yet found it. The truth is that we simply do not know. The observable Universe contains 200 - 400 billion galaxies. There are a similar number of stars in our individual galaxy (milky way). There are many more stars in the observable universe than grains of sand on this planet. Thanks to space telescopes like Kuiper, we now know that most stars have solar systems of planets. So we know that there will be a lot of places capable of supporting life. The issue is we only have one part of the equation. We do not know how life got from self replicating molecules to single celled organisms (abiogenesis). We have studied many single celled organisms on this planet. All have the same 23 amino acids and DNA structure. The evidence suggests abiogenesis happened only once. Now what if it's likelihood of happening is a trillion times less than all the multitude of known stars? We do not know. We could indeed be alone. The implications of this would be that only we can contemplate the Universe, only we can give it meaning. If this is indeed the case then we have a duty to survive and move off planet. Finally I exclude Mars from this analysis. The reason is that there has been regular meteor transfer between Mars and Earth. If subterranean microbes are found on Mars, DNA analysis may find that such life is simply an extension of Earth life. Who knows, abiogenesis may have occurred on Mars so we may all be Martians. All of this is speculation, WE DO NOT KNOW.
 

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