Why the Moon, Mars and EP Grodine SPAM

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Hi Dan -

I'm new to this forum myself, and just getting the lay of the land.

While I'll differ with you on gun control (we need to make sure that those who own guns know how to use them properly,
so they don't end up shooting the cows, fellow hunters, or innocent by standers) and on global warming (we need to get off of foreign oil, have a better energy grid, and stop using our atmosphere as a dump. If China and India follow our example then the Earth will be in real trouble)...

On the topic of why? space you are absolutely nuts on. Very few people have any idea how bad the impact hazard really is.

E.P. Grondine
http://manandimpactsintheamericas.blogspot.com/
 
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Re: Why the Moon, Mars and Beyond? It is a Matter of Surviving -

ZenGalacticore":3dampocz said:
But since you're here, why don't you educate us on "how bad the impact hazard really is", in your own words, instead of leaving a link and running off.
Okay.

MAJOR HISTORICAL WORKS:

2000
Everything is Connected:
A survey of Man and impact in SE North America
http://abob.libs.uga.edu/bobk/ccc/ce090400.html

2001
Going Into the Water:
A survey of Man and impact
in the Eastern North American coastal zone and Caribbean
http://abob.libs.uga.edu/bobk/ccc/ce010702.html

2002
Impact And The End Of The Roman Empire In The West
http://abob.libs.uga.edu/bobk/ccc/ce082202.html

SHORTER HISTORICAL ESSAYS AND NOTES
1997
Benny Peiser's initial catalogue of Holocene impacts
http://abob.libs.uga.edu/bobk/ccc/cc052898.html

1998-2002
On the Joshua impact event
http://abob.libs.uga.edu/bobk/ccc/cc032098.html
http://abob.libs.uga.edu/bobk/ccc/cc032598.html
http://abob.libs.uga.edu/bobk/ccc/cc033098.html
http://abob.libs.uga.edu/bobk/ccc/cc012102.html
http://abob.libs.uga.edu/bobk/ccc/cc021202.html

1998
On the destruction of the Etruscan city of Volsinii by impact
http://abob.libs.uga.edu/bobk/ccc/cc043098.html

On the effects of blast waves
http://abob.libs.uga.edu/bobk/ccc/cc071098.html

An Impact Event Recorded In Ainu Folklore
http://abob.libs.uga.edu/bobk/ccc/cc102898.html

1999
The Song Of Ullikummi, a Hurrian account of the Tel Leilan impact
http://abob.libs.uga.edu/bobk/ccc/cc012099.html

Note on Karen Reiter's "Die Metalle im Alten Orient":
An Essential Reference For Historical Work On Impact Events
http://abob.libs.uga.edu/bobk/ccc/cc020999.html

Catalogue of Known and Suspected Historical impacts
http://abob.libs.uga.edu/bobk/ccc/cc031500.html

2000
Short note on sub-Roman impacts
http://abob.libs.uga.edu/bobk/ccc/cc042600.html

Updated Catalogue of Known and Suspected Historical impacts
http://abob.libs.uga.edu/bobk/ccc/cc070202.html

2001
Legends of a major South American impact
http://abob.libs.uga.edu/bobk/ccc/cc032601.html

Comparison of work done at Tunguska, Barringer Crater, and Rio Cuarto
http://abob.libs.uga.edu/bobk/ccc/cc082301.html

2002
Worknotes On Man In The Ancient Near East And Impact Events
http://abob.libs.uga.edu/bobk/ccc/cc041702.html

Background On The Kaali Lake Impact Event
http://abob.libs.uga.edu/bobk/ccc/cc062402.html

2003
The Egyptian Book of the Celestial Cow
http://abob.libs.uga.edu/bobk/ccc/ce102103.html

REPORTAGE, 1997-2003
1997
On JPL's failure to mention impact craters on Mars
http://abob.libs.uga.edu/bobk/ccc/cc111497.html

1998
Review of "Deep Impact"
http://abob.libs.uga.edu/bobk/ccc/cc042098.html

Coverage of House Space Subcommittee hearing on NASA and the NEO hazard
http://abob.libs.uga.edu/bobk/ccc/cc052898.html

Miscellaneous items, including report on first US NEO defense system
http://abob.libs.uga.edu/bobk/ccc/cc061198.html

Don Yeoman's presentation at a Congressional luncheon
http://abob.libs.uga.edu/bobk/ccc/cc062298.html

Eleanor Helin named to Technology Hall of Fame
http://abob.libs.uga.edu/bobk/ccc/cc062698.html

On the establishment of NASA's NEO office
http://abob.libs.uga.edu/bobk/ccc/cc050598.html

Interview with Wesley Huntress
http://abob.libs.uga.edu/bobk/ccc/cc050898.html

On NASA Administrator Dan Goldin's strategic plan for NASA and his
views on dealing with the NEO hazard
http://abob.libs.uga.edu/bobk/ccc/cc091598.html

On the Space Frontier Foundation's views on the NEO hazard
http://abob.libs.uga.edu/bobk/ccc/cc100798.html

The Deep Space 1 Briefing,
and beginning of Newt Gingrich's attack on ISS
http://abob.libs.uga.edu/bobk/ccc/cc100198.htm

More on Newt Gingrich's attack
http://abob.libs.uga.edu/bobk/ccc/cc100298.html

Short interview with NASA Administrator Dan Goldin on the NEO hazard
http://abob.libs.uga.edu/bobk/ccc/cc100898.html

The NEAR Briefing, and a Short Chat With Don Yeomans
http://abob.libs.uga.edu/bobk/ccc/cc122198.html

1999
The Problem Of Back Contamination From An Operational Perspective:
An interview with John Rummel
http://abob.libs.uga.edu/bobk/ccc/cc011199.html

On the Space Frontier Foundation Forming the "Watch" Committee
http://abob.libs.uga.edu/bobk/ccc/cc011399.html

Budget for NASA NEO office
http://abob.libs.uga.edu/bobk/ccc/cc020499.html

On Russian work on the back contamination problem
http://abob.libs.uga.edu/bobk/ccc/cc011199.html

Interview with John Rummel of NASA's Planetary Protection Office
http://abob.libs.uga.edu/bobk/ccc/cc021299.html

ASTEROIDS, COMETS, METEORS & LOST LUGGAGE:
COVERAGE OF THE 1999 ASTEROIDS, COMETS, AND METEORS CONFERENCE
http://abob.libs.uga.edu/bobk/ccc/ccemenu.html

2000
REPORT FROM THE AMERICAN ASTRONAUTICAL SOCIETY'S
38th GODDARD MEMORIAL SYMPOSIUM
http://abob.libs.uga.edu/bobk/ccc/cc040400.html

On oil deposits and impact
http://abob.libs.uga.edu/bobk/ccc/cc060600.html

Interview with Colin Hicks on government response to
the UK NEO Taskforce report
http://abob.libs.uga.edu/bobk/ccc/cc111600.html

2001
An improved English translation of
THE RUSSIAN POSITION PAPER ON PLANETARY DEFENSE
by Anatoly V. Zaitsev
http://abob.libs.uga.edu/bobk/ccc/cc020701.html

Press Conference on Becker Team's development of test for impact
fullerenes (and the loss of my Mercedes Benz)
http://abob.libs.uga.edu/bobk/ccc/cc031301.html

First interview with Ed Weiler
http://abob.libs.uga.edu/bobk/ccc/cc050201.html

Viking At 25: Report On The Symposium On Mars Exploration
With important observations on public support for manned Mars flight,
And interviews with James Garvin and Mike Malin
on the state of Martian crater counts
http://abob.libs.uga.edu/bobk/ccc/cc072101.html

Interview with Colin Hicks
http://abob.libs.uga.edu/bobk/ccc/cc111301.html

2002
Dazed And Confused:
In Search Of Us Policies For Dealing With The Impact Hazard
http://abob.libs.uga.edu/bobk/ccc/ce021102.html

SLI downselect and interview with Ed Weiler
http://abob.libs.uga.edu/bobk/ccc/cc050702.html

CONTOUR briefing
http://abob.libs.uga.edu/bobk/ccc/cc061702.html

On interplanetary blast waves from Shoemaker Levy 9 impact
http://abob.libs.uga.edu/bobk/ccc/cc092602.html

Workshop for Mitigating the Effects of Public Concern on the NASA
Bureaucracy: Two Days in Washington, 2002
http://abob.libs.uga.edu/bobk/ccc/ce091702.html

The NASA Bureaucrats' New Efforts To Try And Sandbag The Neo Problem
http://abob.libs.uga.edu/bobk/ccc/cc100102.html

Report on Congressional hearing on the NEO hazard
http://abob.libs.uga.edu/bobk/ccc/cc100802.html

2003
On the Challenger O-Ring failure
http://abob.libs.uga.edu/bobk/ccc/cc020503.html

COMMENTARY, 1998-2002
1998
On relations between the MPC and NASA
http://abob.libs.uga.edu/bobk/ccc/cc040898.html

On relations between the MPC and NASA
http://abob.libs.uga.edu/bobk/ccc/cc061598.html

On the Washington Post's coverage of the NEO hazard
http://abob.libs.uga.edu/bobk/ccc/cc042298.html

2000
On JPL's estimates of the impact hazard
http://abob.libs.uga.edu/bobk/ccc/cc011700.html

On General Pete Worden's proposals
http://abob.libs.uga.edu/bobk/ccc/cc020800.html

Need for funding of historical research
http://abob.libs.uga.edu/bobk/ccc/cc032000.html

On the UK NEO Taskforce report
http://abob.libs.uga.edu/bobk/ccc/cc092600.html

2001
Suggestion to use video-conferencing
http://abob.libs.uga.edu/bobk/ccc/cc031201.html

2002
On the Australian Governments refusal to fund a NEO observatory
http://abob.libs.uga.edu/bobk/ccc/cc032502.html

Call for more money for historical impact search
http://abob.libs.uga.edu/bobk/ccc/cc051402.html

SATIRE, 1998-2002
1998
"Armageddon" versus "Deep Impact"
http://abob.libs.uga.edu/bobk/ccc/cc070698.html

Dale Carnegie Method versus Scientific Method
http://abob.libs.uga.edu/bobk/ccc/cc072198.html

2000
On the effects of Pissing on the Sphinx
http://abob.libs.uga.edu/bobk/ccc/cc012600.html

Live From The House Of Commons
http://abob.libs.uga.edu/bobk/ccc/cc092100.html

2001
Clarification Of The Government's Response, For Speakers
Of English As A Second Language
http://abob.libs.uga.edu/bobk/ccc/cc022601.html

2002
Human Sacrifice as an
An Extremely Low Cost Approach To Dealing With The Neo Hazard
http://abob.libs.uga.edu/bobk/ccc/cc011502.html

My Campaign to be Elected Chairman of the IAU NEO Working Group
http://abob.libs.uga.edu/bobk/ccc/cc071802.html

Really Big News: Comet Shoemaker-Levy 9 Hits Jupiter
http://abob.libs.uga.edu/bobk/ccc/cc112602.html

E.P. Grondine
http://manandimpactsintheamericas.blogspot.com/
 
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Re: Why the Moon, Mars and Beyond? It is a Matter of Surviving -

ZenGalacticore":2nbq2fm7 said:
But since you're here, why don't you educate us on "how bad the impact hazard really is", in your own words, instead of leaving a link and running off.
Sorry to be so late in getting back to you, ZenGalaticore. I used to cover this beat in depth, and knew most of the primary researchers. If you follow the link below it will take you to it, or a Google of "catalogue of know and suspected impacts" and "Grondine" should take you to the earlier estimates.

Roughly, Tunguska type impacts have been occurring at a rate of 1 per 100 years, and for the last 5,000 years or so we've been having impact mega-tsunami at a rate of at least 1 per 1,000 years - with today's coastal populations, one of these would result in about 60,000,000 deaths.

For a variety of reasons, NASA management's response to this hazard has been pathetic. As Lori Garver contributed to a paper on it, and given China's view on it, it will be interesting to see what NASA does next.

E.P. Grondine
http://manandimpactsintheamericas.blogspot.com/
 
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