you think nasa tells us everything??

thugfella · Aug 31, 2005

you think nasa tells us everything? theyve been around before the 1960's and so far we have only been shown and told weve gone to the moon...discovered frozen water or w/e in mars...have found out about far away planets...we would of alread known that the earth revolved around the sun even if there was no nasa...and other stuff to..and there budget this year was 16.5 billion dollars...i have a feeling...there biggest discoverys and other stuff they keep away from the public ....what yall think??

Leovinus · Aug 31, 2005

"you think nasa tells us everything?" Yes and no. They get gigabits of information down from Mars rovers every day. They don't report every bit to the press who wouldn't care. But they aren't in a conspiracy to keep important facts from the public. It's in their best interest to be open with new discoveries to spur public interest and secure funding for future projects. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

mooware · Aug 31, 2005

Oh no, it's a VAST conspiracy. Better get your tin-foil hat. They are reading your mind RIGHT NOW!

spaceinvador_old · Aug 31, 2005

Some of you guys get all wiered when somebody post something about Nasa not being 100% open. I'm not trying to pick bones, but I think you all need to respect ones intentions of seeking the truth. I know not everybody is as knowledgeable as you and knows all the facts about Nasa stuff. Please don't jump all over someone who is open for discussion. I've seen you guys gang-up on someone like a pack of wolves and it scary to know that it's educated adults acting in this manner. I'd bet you drink too much and like gambling.

Saiph · Aug 31, 2005

First, space science is expensive. The hubble consumed over a billion dollars in launch and repairs by itself. The shuttle flights are nearly a billion per flight. Throw in rocket production, maintence, design and you get another big chunk of their pie. A lot of their funding is also used as NASA grants to universities and such, so there's another huge pile of money. I don't think they've got any real secrets anywhere. The military probably does (and look at their budget). Specifically look up DARPA. Neat stuff they work on. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> --------------------SaiphMOD@gmail.com -------------------"This is my Timey Wimey Detector. Goes "bing" when there's stuff. It also fries eggs at 30 paces, wether you want it to or not actually. I've learned to stay away from hens: It's not pretty when they blow" -- The Tenth Doctor, "Blink" </div>

mrmux · Aug 31, 2005

The Pentagon cheerfully admits it cannot account for $2 Trillion... I've started a thread in Phenomena (Deconstruction of Hoagland) and I give a couple of examples why I think NASA really is on the level. NASA is scientists. Civilians. It isn't the military - and even the military leaks its secrets. Think of the types of people involved with space missions. The years of work and the desire for exploration and knowledge. This isn't the sort of field where intelligence agencies can stuff it with yes-men. Never forget NASA released the original Face on Mars pictures (plural) long after the moon landings and even went back and did it again because of public demand to know what the face really was. Were there a cover-up from the Apollo era onwards, those first pics would have been censored, airbrushed, whatever. NASA published them and was damned anyway. They are a good bunch and deserve our respect and admiration, not accusations. One caveat though: Anything of defence significance is covered by laws. You could hardly expect the Shuttle crew to say 'we saw the latest US spyplane doing Mach 7 over the Pacific'. So when astronauts say 'there is a Santa Claus' I think it's safe to say they aren't really looking at Santa Claus. That aside, NASA is on the level.

thugfella · Aug 31, 2005

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alienhunter · Aug 31, 2005

>>> Better get your tin-foil hat <<< Best comment in this bulletin board so far! Pack of wolves or not, 'moonware=stupid' isn't the most constructive argument either. So many people are accusing Nasa for this and that. At least Kaysing and Hoaxland have some argument for their beliefs. ThugFella, please catch up at http://www.badastronomy.com and come back later.

joshbe · Sep 1, 2005

AGGGH! Its the trilateral commission! Run from the little black helicopters!!

vogon13 · Sep 2, 2005

The Bilderberg Group looks down upon the pathetic little losers on the Trilateral Comission. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> TPTB went to Dallas and all I got was Plucked !!So many people, so few recipes !!Let's clean up this stinkhole !! </div>

JonClarke · Sep 6, 2005

It's a rather sad state of affairs when astronauts can't even make a whimsical reference to Santa Claus (e.g. Apollo 8) without the conspiracists thinking there is something sinister going on <img src="/images/icons/mad.gif" /> Jon <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Whether we become a multi-planet species with unlimited horizons, or are forever confined to Earth will be decided in the twenty-first century amid the vast plains, rugged canyons and lofty mountains of Mars Arthur Clarke </div>

mooware · Sep 6, 2005

moonware=stupid If you must call me names, or show your superior skills, at least get the name right.

CalliArcale · Sep 6, 2005

Okay, let's be nice, okay? ThugFella asked a question that, let's be fair, is on many minds. There have been some very constructive responses above, and I think they do a very good job of answering (although mooware's levity was fun too -- we all need to have a little chuckle now and then). Is NASA hiding anything? Sort of -- stuff like new Hubble data doesn't get released to the public immediately as a matter of policy, except for special occasions; this is to allow the scientists performing the actual observations to get the first crack at publishing any cool new findings. In other words, it's really for academic fairness. And for many older missions, the huge mountains of raw data are not available. NASA doesn't want to invest the time and manpower to make that available, and with good reason -- they've got new missions to run. But the data is available; you just have to find the right channels to get it. Newer missions are making use of modern Web technology to make a vast amount of data immediately available. It's really cool. <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" /> But is NASA deliberately hiding information for nefarious purposes? I highly doubt that. It would not be in their interests to do so. After all, the best way to get more funding would be to find something really ground-breaking and exciting, like life on Mars. Plus, with all the zillions of people involved, it would be very difficult to keep anything like that a secret. So NASA's not part of a vast conspiracy to conceal the truth. Does this mean they're perfect, divinely inspired seekers of truth? No. They have their flaws. For instance, like all government agencies, they are forbidden from commercial involvement, so they can't sell seats on the Shuttle or things like that (in contrast to Rosaviacosmos, which sells Soyuz seats). They're also beholden to Congress and its shifting political whims. And individuals at NASA can become embroiled in the petty polit <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> "People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect, but actually from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint it's more like a big ball of wibbly wobbly . . . timey wimey . . . stuff." -- The Tenth Doctor, "Blink" </div>

mrmux · Sep 6, 2005

Nothing sinister, Jon. My point was merely that military requests to secrecy are often respected by civilian agencies. For example, air traffic controllers are sometimes pre-warned about covert aircraft tests and politely asked to not mention how fast the blip crosses their screens. In one case that I know of, fast enough to put that sort of request in the first place. This was in the UK and I've known the controller all my life. It was a simple, 'Later today (and a time), expect a fast-moving something on course XYZ. It will be one of ours, so no need to report it - and we'll thank you not to mention it either.' I'd be astonished if similar had never happened at NASA - although I concede the Santa Claus reference is hardly a conclusive example.

JonClarke · Sep 6, 2005

It is both unneccessary and silly. Apollo 8 had just broken out of lunar orbit, the crew were relieved and everyone was in a jocular mood, it was Christmas time, so why not a humerous reference to Santa Claus? Sometimes jokes are just that, just jokes. Only paranoia (e.g. Hoagland and his henchmen) reads something secret into this. Jon <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Whether we become a multi-planet species with unlimited horizons, or are forever confined to Earth will be decided in the twenty-first century amid the vast plains, rugged canyons and lofty mountains of Mars Arthur Clarke </div>

CalliArcale · Sep 7, 2005

As a sidebar to that, NASA traditionally does have astronauts in space on December 25 report sightings of a jolly old elf in a reindeer-drawn flying sleigh. <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" /> It's all in fun, and it probably provides the astronauts with a fun way of connecting with children back home on Earth. They're not the only ones to report sightings of Santa Claus as if they'd really spotted him. Perhaps the best-known example is NORAD. NORAD was formed to provide for the defense of North America in the event of a nuclear attack by a hostile foreign power (i.e. the Soviet Union). It watches a *lot* of things in the sky. One December day, NORAD's main offices got a rather peculiar phone call. It was a small child asking to speak with Santa Claus. Apparently, a local department store had arranged some sort of a promotion where children could call a specified number and speak to Santa. Unfortunately, they misprinted the telephone number, and people who called loooking for Santa actually got NORAD! At first, the staff politely informed callers that it was a wrong number, but they soon realized that the calls were going to keep coming in, so they started to play along; it was a wrong number and you couldn't talk to Santa, but they informed callers that they were tracking Santa, just like they'd track any flying object, advising children when Santa was getting near their neighborhood and that it was time for them to go to bed now so he'd be able to drop in with their presents. They had so much fun doing it that a tradition was born. Now you can track Santa's progress on a NORAD-run website, or you can call them up at a special hotline set up specifically for the purpose. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> "People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect, but actually from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint it's more like a big ball of wibbly wobbly . . . timey wimey . . . stuff." -- The Tenth Doctor, "Blink" </div>

mrmux · Sep 7, 2005

Jon and Calli: In that case, I catagorically withdraw my implication re: Santa. What a cute story! (And Jon... please withdraw your implication of my Hoaglandism?) I can prove I'm not an RCH minion. Watch: I WAS WRONG! I ADMIT IT! <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" />

JonClarke · Sep 7, 2005

QED! <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /> Cheers Jon <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Whether we become a multi-planet species with unlimited horizons, or are forever confined to Earth will be decided in the twenty-first century amid the vast plains, rugged canyons and lofty mountains of Mars Arthur Clarke </div>

alienhunter · Sep 9, 2005

"I WAS WRONG! I ADMIT IT!" Wow! Over five years on bulletin boards like this and this is the first time I see those words! I have to sit down for a while... I guess this day had to come. Feeling a bit stunned... :-D

Saiph · Sep 9, 2005

It's relatively rare, but I see it (and I say it) occassionally here at SDC. Except when politics are invovled. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> --------------------SaiphMOD@gmail.com -------------------"This is my Timey Wimey Detector. Goes "bing" when there's stuff. It also fries eggs at 30 paces, wether you want it to or not actually. I've learned to stay away from hens: It's not pretty when they blow" -- The Tenth Doctor, "Blink" </div>

mrmux · Sep 10, 2005

Except when politics are involved. Or steve, of course...

spaceinvador_old · Sep 10, 2005

I will not say nasa hides things from the public, though anything is possible. We know the government has covered-up many things such as erea 51. Why is it policy for airline pilots not to talk about flying objects they saw and couldn't indentify? That's always puzzled me. Why did the president say Iraq had wmd, when we found none? That was a fundamental of going to war. Humans sometime lie to get thier ways. Why is the world always at constant war? Mankind lies, cheats and kills to gain power. Should I believe nasa is any different in reguards to honesty? I think anything is possible. Money breeds greed and nasa's exsistance depends on billions each year. Those who will not be governed by God, will be ruled by tyrants.

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