(136472) 2005 FY9 now named Makemake?

[Philotas]

<p>According to http://planetarynames.wr.usgs.gov/append7.html#DwarfPlanets&nbsp;<strong>(136472) 2005 FY₉</strong>is now&nbsp;named Makemake&nbsp;and is&nbsp;designated as a dwarf planet; though I'm currently unable to find any news release on this.<strong>&nbsp;</strong></p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[MeteorWayne]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>According to http://planetarynames.wr.usgs.gov/append7.html#DwarfPlanets(136472) 2005 FY9 is now&nbsp;named Makemake&nbsp;and is&nbsp;designated as a dwarf planet; though I'm currently unable to find any news release on this.&nbsp; <br />Posted by Philotas</DIV><br /><br />It doesn't show on the Minor Planet Center named list yet, but the last update was July 1, so perhaps it hasn't shown up yet. I'll keep an eye out for it.</p><p>MW</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080"><em><font color="#000000">But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id.</font></em> </font></p><p><font color="#000080">I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function</font><font color="#000080"> </font></p> </div>

 

[silylene old]

Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>It doesn't show on the Minor Planet Center named list yet, but the last update was July 1, so perhaps it hasn't shown up yet. I'll keep an eye out for it.MW <br />Posted by MeteorWayne</DIV><br /><br />How is 'Makemake' pronounced? <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature" align="center"><em><font color="#0000ff">- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -</font></em> </div><div class="Discussion_UserSignature" align="center"><font color="#0000ff"><em>I really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function.</em></font> </div> </div>

 

[DrRocket]

Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>How is 'Makemake' pronounced? <br />Posted by silylene</DIV><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Makemake_(dwarf_planet) <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[Philotas]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Makemake_(dwarf_planet) <br />Posted by DrRocket</DIV><br /><br />Wikipedia has a reference to Mike Brown's blog&nbsp;:</p><p>"While a rose by any other name would surely smell as sweet, the Kuiper belt object/dwarf planet/Plutoid formerly known mostly as 2005 FY9 now smells a good bit sweeter to me after the International Astronomical Union has finally accepted our six month old proposal to give the object a proper name. The official citation reads:</p><p class="MsoNormal"><em>Makemake, discovered 2005 Mar 31 by M.E. Brown, C.A. Trujillo, and<br />D.Rabinowitz at Palomar Observatory<br /><br />Makemake is the creator of humanity and the god of fertility in the mythology of the South Pacific island of Rapa Nui. He was the chief god of the Tangata manu bird-man cult and was worshipped in the form of sea birds, which were his incarnation. His material symbol, a man with a bird's head, can be found carved in petroglyphs on the island."</em></p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[silylene old]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Makemake_(dwarf_planet) <br />Posted by DrRocket</DIV><br /><br />(pronounced <span class="IPA"><font face="Arial Unicode MS">/maːkimaːki/</font></span>)</p><p>&nbsp;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Make-make</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature" align="center"><em><font color="#0000ff">- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -</font></em> </div><div class="Discussion_UserSignature" align="center"><font color="#0000ff"><em>I really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function.</em></font> </div> </div>

 

[MeteorWayne]

<p>Here's the JPL Small Body database page. If you show the orbit (link near top of data) you have to zoom way out to see it! Over 52 AU from the sun. Baby, it's cold outside.</p><p>http://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/sbdb.cgi?sstr=136472;orb=1;cov=0;log=0#orb</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080"><em><font color="#000000">But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id.</font></em> </font></p><p><font color="#000080">I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function</font><font color="#000080"> </font></p> </div>

 

[h2ouniverse]

<p>I expected Oceanian deities to be the sources for Brown's proposals&nbsp;on FY9 and EL61 (he repeatetedly said so). But I am disappointed that this is not a classical name in English. I think that for dwarf planets to receive the attention they merit, they should receive in any language a name consistent with the naming pattern of the planets that the relevant culture has chosen ni the past (when naming Venus, Jupiter,...).</p><p>In the West, we have used greco-roman gods for naming planets. So dwarf planets should have received imo greco-roman names in English and other western languages. </p><p>Non-western languages have their own pattern for naming planets. We should not deprive non-western cultures from the right to use their deities to name whatever they want (or not to use it if they consider abnormal to reduce a deity to a sphere of rock and ice). So now, we have the chief of Roman gods after a 140,000km wide planet (Jupiter) and a major deity of the Pascuan culture naming a 1,400km+/- body.... Hmmm...</p><p>The only + is that the few people interested in dwarf planets now know something about Make-Make and Pascuan culture.</p><p>Best Regards.</p>

 

[3488]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'><font color="#ff0000">Here's the JPL Small Body database page. If you show the orbit (link near top of data) you have to zoom way out to see it! Over 52 AU from the sun. Baby, it's cold outside.<font color="#000080">http://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/sbdb.cgi?sstr=136472;orb=1;cov=0;log=0#orb <br /></font>Posted by MeteorWayne</font></DIV></p><p><font size="2" color="#000000"><strong>Hi Wayne, it will bloody cold on MakeMake, approx 0.55 Watt of solar energy per square metre (back of an Excel Spreadsheet calculation). Wonder what that actually equates to as a surface temperature? -250 C&nbsp;?????</strong></font></p><p>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'><font color="#ff0000">Posted by h2ouniverse</font></DIV></p><p><font size="2"><strong>Hi Joel, I think the problem&nbsp;is that&nbsp;the Roman-Greco names are running out. Not only the</strong> <strong>planets, but their moons, main belt asteroids, etc. Already there is some duplicity, I.e the Jupiter moon Europa & main belt asteroid 52 Europa, & the volcanic Jupiter moon Io & main belt asteroid 82 Io, largest moon in the solar system Ganymede & funnily enough the largest Amor asteroid 1036 Ganymed (note the missing e), etc.</strong></font></p><p><strong><font size="2">What I think we should & must exclude are the names of brain dead celebs.</font></strong></p><p><strong><font size="2">Andrew Brown.</font><br /></strong></p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080">"I suddenly noticed an anomaly to the left of Io, just off the rim of that world. It was extremely large with respect to the overall size of Io and crescent shaped. It seemed unbelievable that something that big had not been visible before".</font> <em><strong><font color="#000000">Linda Morabito </font></strong><font color="#800000">on discovering that the Jupiter moon Io was volcanically active. Friday 9th March 1979.</font></em></p><p><font size="1" color="#000080">http://www.launchphotography.com/</font><br /><br /><font size="1" color="#000080">http://anthmartian.googlepages.com/thisislandearth</font></p><p><font size="1" color="#000080">http://web.me.com/meridianijournal</font></p> </div>

 

[silylene old]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>What I think we should & must exclude are the names of brain dead celebs.</p><p>Andrew Brown. <br />Posted by 3488</DIV></p><p>I agree, an asteroid named 'Amy Winehouse' would be appalling.</p><p>But I do have to admit, I actually liked the original names Xena and Gabriel.&nbsp; These really weren't celebs, rather SF or fantasy characters.&nbsp; I wouldn't mind seeing asteroids named Frodo or Spock or Yoda or HAL or Ripley.</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature" align="center"><em><font color="#0000ff">- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -</font></em> </div><div class="Discussion_UserSignature" align="center"><font color="#0000ff"><em>I really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function.</em></font> </div> </div>

 

[h2ouniverse]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Hi Joel, I think the problem&nbsp;is that&nbsp;the Roman-Greco names are running out. Not only the planets, but their moons, main belt asteroids, etc. Already there is some duplicity, I.e the Jupiter moon Europa & main belt asteroid 52 Europa, & the volcanic Jupiter moon Io & main belt asteroid 82 Io, largest moon in the solar system Ganymede & funnily enough the largest Amor asteroid 1036 Ganymed (note the missing e), etc.What I think we should & must exclude are the names of brain dead celebs.Andrew Brown. <br />Posted by 3488</DIV></p><p>Hi Andrew,</p><p>There are tens of Greco-Roman god names free. The greco-roman pantheon was full of minor deities. If Mike Brown was to celebrate his daughter's long expected birth, he could have picked "Orbona" for instance. Europa and Ganymed[e] mismatches were just due to the very long time for the acceptance of the naming of moons (until mid 20th century!!), which has favored these mishaps. The point is that the IAU imposed creation deities for non-plutino KBOs, which limits the choice. </p><p>Even if they wanted to go outside the classical pantheon, at least they could have picked a more serious and shorter name, like they did with Sedna. Almost all oceanian gods have names which would have suited better (Hina, Lono, Kane...). They had to pick the only one which had a phoney sounding. Only to get a reference to Easter (very indirect). And here we do not speak of a pebble but a large object in the top 20 of the Solar System. With a surface area equivalent to the one of Australia or Brazil. </p><p>Did you test Makemake on your friends and relatives? I did. The result was as appalling as I feared: a sense of ridicule, lack of seriousness and the feeling that these objects are considered unimportant by scientists (otherwise sure they would't have picked such a ridiculous name, would they?). The point is double:</p><p>* it doesn't sound like a classical planet name</p><p>* the repetition in "Makemake" triggers amusement to say the least. (Whatwhat?)</p><p>When you say&nbsp;to laymen, no, &nbsp;it's not a joke, the Solar System has now eight planets plus four dwarf planets, Ceres, Pluto, Eris&nbsp; and... Makemake, they stop laughing. And nod the head horizontally wondering to what bunch of jocks their taxpayer's money is going.</p><p>If the aim was to annihilate any credibility of astronomers it's a success. What went into Mike Brown's head? and in the IAU's? I really hope EL61 will escape the massacre. I'm concerned though. Especially for the moons.</p><p>Best regards.</p>

 

[silylene old]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>.....They had to pick the only one which had a phoney sounding. Only to get a reference to Easter (very indirect). And here we do not speak of a pebble but about the 19th largest object in Solar System so far. With a surface area equivalent to the one of Australia or Brazil. Did you test Makemake on your friends and relatives? I did. The result was as appalling as I feared: a sense of ridicule, lack of seriousness and the feeling that these objects are considered unimportant by scientists (otherwise sure they would't have picked such a ridiculous name, would they?). <font color="#ff0000">The point is double:* it doesn't sound like a classical planet name* the repetition in "Makemake" triggers amusement to say the least.</font> (Whatwhat?)..... <br />Posted by h2ouniverse</DIV></p><p>If you look above to my earlier post, the pronunciation is ma-kima-ki.&nbsp;&nbsp; Not make-make !</p><p>Of course no one else knows that.&nbsp; The 'ring around Ur-anus' type ridicule jokes will never cease as long as there are kids and comedians.</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature" align="center"><em><font color="#0000ff">- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -</font></em> </div><div class="Discussion_UserSignature" align="center"><font color="#0000ff"><em>I really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function.</em></font> </div> </div>

 

[h2ouniverse]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>If you look above to my earlier post, the pronunciation is ma-kima-ki.&nbsp;&nbsp; Not make-make !Of course no one else knows that.&nbsp; Posted by silylene</DIV><br /><br />Hi Silylene,</p><p>&nbsp;Sorry but the correct pronunciation for you English-speaking people is approximately mAHkay-mAHkay not mAHkee-mAHkee even less "meikmeik" as you would pronounce it otherwise as with the verb "to make". The E is to be pronounced like your e in "egg". For us latin speakers makemake is written as we should pronounce it. So when I tried it yesterday with my relatives and colleagues, I pronounced it correctly (without distorting the latin alphabet vowels as you would do in English), and got the hilarious or disappointed reaction I reported. This is due to the repetition with moronic connotations (independently from the syllabs repeated). With some Italian colleagues it's even&nbsp;worse for in addition to the ridicule of the repetition, they hear "Ma ch&egrave;? Ma ch&egrave;?" ("So what so what").</p><p>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'> The 'ring around Ur-anus' type ridicule jokes will never cease as long as there are kids and comedians. </DIV><br />And how many missions planned to Uranus? ZERO. Not counting Voyager which made a grand tour and had other targets. Sorry but names matter. And ridicule kills. I am terrified for EL61 which would deserve a space mission within a few decades but will NEVER get it if M. Brown or Ortiz pick a silly name. Taxpayers do not like pathetic humor when it comes to their money.</p><p>Best regards.</p>

 

[DrRocket]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>..What I think we should & must exclude are the names of brain dead celebs.Andrew Brown. <br />Posted by 3488</DIV></p><p>By doing that you are voiding out a rather large list of potential names for these orbiting boulders.&nbsp; Besides there is a certain logic is using the name of someone&nbsp;known to be&nbsp;dumber than a box of rocks.</p><p>I was rather looking forward to a potential impact from Britneylohansimpson, since the mass can't be much, and one might expect the sensible energy to be quite low.&nbsp; </p><p><br /><br />&nbsp;</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[silylene old]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Hi Silylene,&nbsp;Sorry but the correct pronunciation for you English-speaking people is approximately mAHkay-mAHkay not mAHkee-mAHkee even less "meikmeik" as you would pronounce it otherwise as with the verb "to make". The E is to be pronounced like your e in "egg". For us latin speakers makemake is written as we should pronounce it. So when I tried it yesterday with my relatives and colleagues, I pronounced it correctly (without distorting the latin alphabet vowels as you would do in English), and got the hilarious or disappointed reaction I reported. This is due to the repetition with moronic connotations (independently from the syllabs repeated). With some Italian colleagues it's even&nbsp;worse for in addition to the ridicule of the repetition, they hear "Ma ch&egrave;? Ma ch&egrave;?" ("So what so what")......</p><p>Posted by h2ouniverse</DIV><br /><br />I do not speak Rapa Nui.&nbsp; Do you?&nbsp; What is your native language?&nbsp; (mine's American English)</p><p>I was following this pronunciation:</p><p>(pronounced <span class="IPA"><font face="Arial Unicode MS">/maːkimaːki/</font></span>)&nbsp; The newer link below gives a soundbite to listen to.&nbsp; It is more like <em>ma kay ma kay</em>, which is very similar to your suggestion.</p><p><u><font color="#810081">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Makemake_(dwarf_planet)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Makemake_(mythology)</font></u>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Make-make</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature" align="center"><em><font color="#0000ff">- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -</font></em> </div><div class="Discussion_UserSignature" align="center"><font color="#0000ff"><em>I really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function.</em></font> </div> </div>

 

[h2ouniverse]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>I do not speak Rapa Nui.&nbsp; Do you?&nbsp; What is your native language?&nbsp; (mine's American English)I was following this pronunciationpronounced /maːkimaːki/)&nbsp; The newer link below gives a soundbite to listen to.&nbsp; It is more like ma kay ma kay, which is very similar to your suggestion.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Makemake_(dwarf_planet) <br />Posted by silylene</DIV><br /><br />Hi Silylene,</p><p>&nbsp;No I don't speak RapaNui either but polynesian languages are written phonetically. Hence mahkaymahkay in "English-phonetic-alphabet". Mike Brown has corrected that on his blog and wikipedia has followed.</p><p>I'm French. Makemake in French would sound like "maqu&eacute;-maqu&eacute;" ("with a girlfriend"-"with a girlfriend" in slang). The point is not really the syllabs but the repetition, which gives this sense of ridicule. "Goona-goona" or "Maki-maki" or "Ooba-Ooba" would produce the same effect. Did you test it on relatives/friends?</p><p>Best regards.</p>

 

[Philotas]

<p>Official&nbsp;press realease&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p class="text_intro">The International Astronomical Union (IAU) has given the name Makemake to the newest member of the family of dwarf planets &mdash; the object formerly known as 2005 FY9 &mdash; after the Polynesian creator of humanity and the god of fertility.</p><div class="inline_image"><img class="pr_image" src="http://www.iau.org/static/archives/images/news/iau0806a.jpg" alt="" /><br /><p>Click to Enlarge</p></div><p>Members of the International Astronomical Union's Committee on Small Body Nomenclature (CSBN) and the IAU Working Group for Planetary System Nomenclature (WGPSN) have decided to name the newest member of the plutoid family Makemake, and have classified it as the fourth dwarf planet in our Solar System and the third plutoid.</p><p>Makemake (pronounced MAH-keh MAH-keh) is one of the largest objects known in the outer Solar System and is just slightly smaller and dimmer than Pluto, its fellow plutoid. The dwarf planet is reddish in colour and astronomers believe the surface is covered by a layer of frozen methane.</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>