5th and 10th Doctors meet up!

[CalliArcale]

I'm so happy. <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" /> I always liked the multiple-Doctor specials that they did on the old series. The current producer has said he's adamantly opposed to them, but there's going to be one anyway: for the next Children in Need charity night, a Doctor Who special starring David Tennant and Peter Davison, reprising his role as the 5th Doctor, will be produced. The special will be called "Time Crash".<br /><br />We can only hope it's better than the dreadful Dimensions in Time, which managed to pack in all of the surviving Doctors at the time, an Eastenders crossover, thirteen companions, a menagerie of monsters, and the Rani in a scant 13 minutes. <br /><br />The last charity special done for the series was a comical bit set immediately after the ninth doctor regenerated into the tenth, and which was completely canonical. This makes me hopeful that the same will be true of this one. <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" /><br /><br />Who's Who: Time Lords Tennant and Davison go head-to-head in Doctor Who special <br /><br />EDIT: Author is Stephen Moffat, who also wrote the fabulously popular (but absolutely not canonical) "Curse of Fatal Death", a comedy special written during Dr Who's long hiatus for a Red Nose Day telethon, featuring Rowan Atkinson as the Ninth Doctor. He also wrote some of the more intriguing episodes of the new series: "The Empty Child", "The Girl in the Fireplace", and "Blink". <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p> </p><p><font color="#666699"><em>"People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect, but actually from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint it's more like a big ball of wibbly wobbly . . . timey wimey . . . stuff."</em>  -- The Tenth Doctor, "Blink"</font></p> </div>

 

[SpaceKiwi]

Yay for you, Calli. Personally, if I could have a Doctor reappear, it would be Tom Baker I guess. Peter Davidson will forever be linked with the "Tristan Farnham" character for me unfortunately.<br /><br />If they could somehow make Tristan Farnham and Davidson's Doctor one and the same character, now <b>that</b> would be worth seeing! Okay, so it's a fairly silly idea, but I bet there are writers out there good enough to weave the two stories together and make it entirely plausible and believable. That would be cool beyond words.<br /><br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em><font size="2" color="#ff0000">Who is this superhero?  Henry, the mild-mannered janitor ... could be!</font></em></p><p><em><font size="2">-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------</font></em></p><p><font size="5">Bring Back The Black!</font></p> </div>

 

[Leovinus]

How in the heck do they explain the 5th doctor being so much older than when he regenerated into the 6th? <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[flynn]

[think yorkshire accent] Yer a very fine veternary [/accent] <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <font color="#800080">"All God does is watch us and kill us when we get boring. We must never, ever be boring" - <strong>Chuck Palahniuk</strong>.</font> </div>

 

[CalliArcale]

<blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr /><p>If they could somehow make Tristan Farnham and Davidson's Doctor one and the same character, now that would be worth seeing! Okay, so it's a fairly silly idea, but I bet there are writers out there good enough to weave the two stories together and make it entirely plausible and believable. That would be cool beyond words. <p><hr /></p></p></blockquote><br /><br />I am fairly confident that a fanfic author somewhere has done that. In fact, I think I saw a story along those lines (but didn't read it) at Panatropic.net. That was the alt.doctorwho.creative archive. Unfortunately, a hard drive crash destroyed it. <img src="/images/icons/frown.gif" /> After that, I started hoarding all the fanfic I found that I liked, since archives come and go all too easily.<br /><br />I also would love to see the 4th Doctor back. Tom Baker was my first Doctor, after all, and remains the one best known in the US (though the new series is starting to change that; I have friends who only know Eccleston and Tennant). <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p> </p><p><font color="#666699"><em>"People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect, but actually from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint it's more like a big ball of wibbly wobbly . . . timey wimey . . . stuff."</em>  -- The Tenth Doctor, "Blink"</font></p> </div>

 

[CalliArcale]

<blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr /><p>How in the heck do they explain the 5th doctor being so much older than when he regenerated into the 6th? <p><hr /></p></p></blockquote><br /><br />Probably the same way they explained the fact that the 2nd Doctor had gray hair in "The Five Doctors", and why the 4th Doctor had short, white hair in "Dimensions in Time", and why the 19-year-old Jamie McCrimmon was suddenly middle-aged in "The Two Doctors". Oh, and how they explained why the 1st Doctor suddenly looked like Richard Hurndall instead of William Hartnell. <img src="/images/icons/tongue.gif" /><br /><br />In other words, they most likely won't explain it at all. <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" /><br /><br />Lots of actors have made repeat appearances on the show. It is rare that any attempt is made to explain why they have aged in the interim. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p> </p><p><font color="#666699"><em>"People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect, but actually from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint it's more like a big ball of wibbly wobbly . . . timey wimey . . . stuff."</em>  -- The Tenth Doctor, "Blink"</font></p> </div>

 

[Leovinus]

I guess it's too much to expect realism in a fantasy show. <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[etavaunt]

"After that, I started hoarding all the fanfic I found that I liked, since archives come and go all too easily".<br /><br />See, when (Opps, I mean if! IF! <img src="/images/icons/blush.gif" /> )I said that, I would simply sound sad. When YOU say it though, it makes me so deeply envious of the lucky Calli-hubby, that . . oh, I am sad in fact!.<br />What a shame it isn't a full episode of the two of them, I wonder if they would get on?.<br />And full marks to the person who had the idea that Tristan Farnham and The Dr are one and the same person, I can see FULLY how that would work, he was always discontented, and acted as if he were made for better things, always complaining to James Herriet, never had his mind on the job . . . <br /><br />Hey , did everyone know this The Infinite Quest (Animated Dr and Cutest Companion) was entirely on youtube ?.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />

 

[yevaud]

Somewhere floating around, I have the Tape <i>The Five Doctors</i>, featuring Peter Davison, Jon Pertwee, Patrick Troughton, Tom Baker, and appearances by Richard Hurdnall.<br /><br />Time Crash sounds pretty cool indeed. <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em>Differential Diagnosis:  </em>"<strong><em>I am both amused and annoyed that you think I should be less stubborn than you are</em></strong>."<br /> </p> </div>

 

[CalliArcale]

<blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr /><p>And full marks to the person who had the idea that Tristan Farnham and The Dr are one and the same person, I can see FULLY how that would work, he was always discontented, and acted as if he were made for better things, always complaining to James Herriet, never had his mind on the job . . .<p><hr /></p></p></blockquote><br /><br />Hey, you're not sad for liking fanfic. <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" /><br /><br />I'm a fanfic nut, personally. I have a term for this sort of fanfic -- a "same-actor crossover". Crossovers are a particular guilty pleasure of mine. I've even written a few crossovers. (Go to From the Horse's Mouth for a taste.) But I find that same-actor crossovers are dangerous business. It's difficult to make it work, especially without implying that the actor isn't capable of performing more than one character. I consequently tend to be leery of such crossovers. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p> </p><p><font color="#666699"><em>"People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect, but actually from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint it's more like a big ball of wibbly wobbly . . . timey wimey . . . stuff."</em>  -- The Tenth Doctor, "Blink"</font></p> </div>

 

[etavaunt]

Sorry, the link didn't quite work, and now I am diappointed!. Please to fix it for us.

 

[CalliArcale]

Whoops; there was a superfluous http:// in there. Fixed it. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p> </p><p><font color="#666699"><em>"People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect, but actually from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint it's more like a big ball of wibbly wobbly . . . timey wimey . . . stuff."</em>  -- The Tenth Doctor, "Blink"</font></p> </div>

 

[a_lost_packet_]

I am continually amazed at the activity of various "Dr. Who" drama levels and the permanent interest members having in discussing them.. especially since I am fairly clueless on the matter.<br /><br />So, Dr. Who entertains me even though I don't watch it. The threads in "Science Fiction" are enough.. <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /><br /><br /><sits back and muches popcorn while watching the story unfold /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <font size="1">I put on my robe and wizard hat...</font> </div>

 

[etavaunt]

What surprises me too much for any possible adjective to convey, is how the young people here, and in GB at least, have taken the Dr to their hearts.<br />I mean, WE love to see him again, but 99% of that is sort of that we are TRAINED to love the show.<br /><br />It was a really well loved part of our lives once.<br /><br />When Dr Who was first on here, it was the only Sci Fi ANYTHING in our world. (Well, other than Buck Rodgers and Flash, but they were not OURS, like the Dr was) It was just AMAZING, turned things right on their heads. It was always vaguely anti-humbuggery, encouragement for the little folk. It was also SCARY, in a scary world. People literally had the power of the sun at their fingertips, and they were itching to use it to "exterminate" their enemies AND US! ! ! so how could we NOT believe in Sontarians crossing space to rub us all out. We knew some here and now (Then and There).<br /><br />And we didn't expect much in the way of acting or special effects. And that is why I can not figure out how it is so enjoyed by the kids this time around. Let's face it, any computor game has ten times the flash as Dr Who.<br /><br />Oh well, it is not writ that man shall know how the spheres turn!. I am just glad that another generation has taken up the Mantle that we loved.

 

[CalliArcale]

<blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr /><p>And that is why I can not figure out how it is so enjoyed by the kids this time around.<p><hr /></p></p></blockquote><br /><br />It's because kids love a good story. <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" /><br /><br />It's not the production values, although good production values are always nice. It's the stories. If the stories are engaging, people will watch. Plus, Dr Who had one enormous advantage that American SF never had -- it was able to draw from the phenomenally rich talent pool of the London stage. Excellent directors, actors, writers.... Really, Dr Who has always been more theatrical than a lot of other SF, and I think there's something significant in that, something to explain why it manages to entrance even when the sets wobble or you spot the actor's t-shirt under his monster costume. It's not that theater is fundamentally better; it's that those who are accustomed to working with the limitations of theater do a better job of convincing the audience to ignore any defects in the FX.<br /><br />In the old days of Who, that was literally true; effects were usually practical effects, and those that were not were typically inserted during filming. Post-production was very minimal, and was mostly just a matter of putting scenes together, adding the music, and adding sound effects, and maybe some Video Toaster stuff. The whole method of filming was completely different from what you get on a lot of SF shows today. Most TV shows in America since about the mid-70s have been shot on film, then converted to video. With the advent of digital technology, that's shifting again, but the habits of film are persisting. In particular, with expensive film cameras and limited stock, you typically don't have more than one or maybe two cameras on set or location. This forces you to do all the long shots, then half of the close shots, then the other half of the close shots.<br /><br />The BBC, however, kept using video right up <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p> </p><p><font color="#666699"><em>"People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect, but actually from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint it's more like a big ball of wibbly wobbly . . . timey wimey . . . stuff."</em>  -- The Tenth Doctor, "Blink"</font></p> </div>