A theory of true continuity

[perplexvex]

I am an undergrad at the University of Michigan. Is it possible that the very atoms that make up the universe are actually universes individually?, and the universe is one small 'atom' to something beyond our perspective? I have heard some people call it the never ending zoom in/out suggestion, but does an actual theory have any followers? Is it even tangible?

 

[nexium]

My guess is 99% of those with somewhat related letters after their name, tentatively reject "true continuity". Neil

 

[vogon13]

As I have posted before, at a scale of 10^-600 meters, our universe is just as you describe. Little stars and galaxies, little planets and cities, little people and cube cut poodles.<br /><br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#ff0000"><strong>TPTB went to Dallas and all I got was Plucked !!</strong></font></p><p><font color="#339966"><strong>So many people, so few recipes !!</strong></font></p><p><font color="#0000ff"><strong>Let's clean up this stinkhole !!</strong></font> </p> </div>

 

[kmarinas86]

<font color="yellow">I am an undergrad at the University of Michigan. Is it possible that the very atoms that make up the universe are actually universes individually?, and the universe is one small 'atom' to something beyond our perspective? I have heard some people call it the never ending zoom in/out suggestion, but does an actual theory have any followers? Is it even tangible?</font><br /><br />Yes. Yes. Yes. Sorta.<br /><br />Fractal Universe<br />http://uplink.space.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=phenomena&Number=316930<br />Cyclical Multiverse Theory<br />http://www.xanga.com/item.aspx?user=kmarinas86&tab=weblogs&uid=220940900<br />Large "Black Holes" at the edge of the universe to explain redshift<br />http://uplink.space.com/attachments//354968-GravityBlackHoleUniverseRedshift.jpg<br />Possible link with neighbors suggest a Fractal Universe<br />http://uplink.space.com/attachments//355066-GarsingtonCropFormation2004.jpg

 

[kmarinas86]

Large "Black Holes" at the edge of the universe to explain redshift <br />http://uplink.space.com/attachments//354968-GravityBlackHoleUniverseRedshift.jpg

 

[kmarinas86]

Big Bang Theory<br />http://www.anzwers.org/free/universe/redshift.html <br /><br /><font color="yellow">(4) Light Travel Time Distance - DLT <br />The Light Travel Time Distance represents the time taken for the light from distant galaxies to reach us. This is what is meant when it is said that the visible universe has a radius of 14 billion light years - it is simply a statement that the universe is about 14 billion years old and the light from more distant sources has not had time to reach us. <br /><br />Light Travel Time Distance is as much a measure of time as a measure of distance. It is useful mainly because it tells us how old the view of the galaxy is that we are seeing.</font>/safety_wrapper>

 

[perplexvex]

interesting....fractal universe is a much better name...thanks for confirming im not insane

 

[nexium]

Ten to the minus 600 power/no: ten to the minus 60 power perhaps. There are ten to the 69 power cubic meters in a cube ten billion light years on each edge. Neil

 

[vogon13]

Thought perhaps the 'cube cut poodle' part of the post might have keyed the idea that I actually don't take this topic seriously.<br /><br /><img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" /><br /><br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#ff0000"><strong>TPTB went to Dallas and all I got was Plucked !!</strong></font></p><p><font color="#339966"><strong>So many people, so few recipes !!</strong></font></p><p><font color="#0000ff"><strong>Let's clean up this stinkhole !!</strong></font> </p> </div>

 

[newtonian]

perplexvex - While there are similarities between atoms and solar systems (and galaxies, etc,), it is not a simple case of zoom in and zoom out.<br /><br />Electron orbitals around atomic nuclei are not simply governed by gravity - other forces are at work - it is far more complex and very different from planetary orbits, for example.<br /><br />As one case in point: the exact position of an electron is more a matter of probability while the position of Mars and the Moon is not just probability!<br /><br />Concerning beyond our universe, the Bible does have something to say - but you should note that this is subject to interpretation just like scientific observations are subject to interpretation.<br /><br />In the Bible the word universe is not found. The related Hebrew word for heaven, for example, is often found in the plural. In contrast, the prefix “uni” in universe implies only one. <br /><br />There are plural heavens according to the Bible, that is not a matter of interpretation.<br /><br />However, does the following verse indicate that our universe (heaven) is just one of many universes (heavens) contained within a much larger universe (heaven of the heavens)?:<br /><br />(1 Kings 8:27) . . .“But will God truly dwell upon the earth? Look! The heavens, yes, the heaven of the heavens, themselves cannot contain you; how much less, then, this house that I have built! <br /><br />Btw, God is spoken of as dwelling in still other heavens:<br /><br />(1 Kings 8:43) . . .may you yourself listen from the heavens, your established place of dwelling, and you must do according to all that for which the foreigner calls to you; in order that all the peoples of the earth may get to know your name . . .<br /><br />(Hebrews 9:24) . . .For Christ entered, not into a holy place made with hands, which is a copy of the reality, but into heaven itself, now to appear before the person of God for us. . .<br /><br />To me it seems reasonable from a strictly scientific standpoint to believe there are

 

[kmarinas86]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-Euclidean_geometry<br /><br /><font color="yellow">The development of non-Euclidean geometries proved very important to physics in the 20th century. Given the limitation of the speed of light, velocity additions necessitate the use of hyperbolic geometry. Einstein's Theory of Relativity describes space as generally flat (i.e., Euclidean), but elliptically curved (i.e., non-Euclidean) in regions near where matter is present. Because the universe expands (see the hubble constant), the space where no matter exists could be described by using a hyperbolic model. This kind of geometry, where the curvature changes from point to point, is called pseudo-Euclidean geometry.</font><br /><br />A very important point. Observations of galactic rotation velocities and distant supernovas prove that the space outside our solarsystem, between the stars and between the galaxies is extremely hyperbolic. If true, the cosmologists would have to reinterpret the data they have gathered. Cosmology would change, but not most of astrophysics.

 

[j_rankin]

Combining Einstein's belief that "God does not throw dice" and quantum mechanics, i propose that the quantum universe itself is simply more chaotic and seemingly random because it is.....err.....smaller. It takes a number of equal but random small objects to randomly bunch together for it to lose the randomness and become less chaotic. It is at this point where general relativity comes into play. The more randomly placed objects that randomly fit together the less random it will become, and over time all the objects of a certain type will bunch together. <br />It's like a collective - the more there are of a certain thing, the less chaotic it will become. <br /><br />Eventually they all get sucked into a black-hole and become the exact same thing, losing all randomness apart from location until the big crunch when they lose that too because there is only one point they could be.<br /><br />Therefore i do not believe in the fractal universe theory.<br /><br />This kinda explains why the quantum universe is so crazy.

 

[newtonian]

J_rankin - Why do you believe the quantum universe is crazy or chaotic?<br /><br />My understanding is that our universe follows laws and is orderly.

 

[kmarinas86]

<font color="yellow">It takes a number of equal but random small objects to randomly bunch together for it to lose the randomness and become less chaotic. It is at this point where general relativity comes into play.</font><br /><br />I was just thinking of that today!<br /><br /><font color="yellow">The more randomly placed objects that randomly fit together the less random it will become, and over time all the objects of a certain type will bunch together. It's like a collective - the more there are of a certain thing, the less chaotic it will become.</font><br /><br />Right.<br /><br />Our beliefs are not so different.<br /><br />To me, the quantum universe isn't that random. Its just so small it's hard to grasp. It isn't any more random to me than a room filled with air molecules. It's just that the things at the very small happen so much more frequently than the things at the very large. <br /><br />When things happen randomly, what that means really is that it happens without our ability to control or predict (untamed) and/or it happens frequently.