Alternative to dark energy/possible answer to big bang

[alexander223]

I happen to do a lot of thinking about the Universe. I have recently been thinking a lot about dark energy. To me, it makes no sense at all. If you have a sort of matter that does the exact opposite of gravity why is there almost no proof of it in the galaxies? Surely if this matter made up more than 75% of our cosmos there would be many galaxies that were simply ripped apart by this energy. Also, many galaxies are in fact heading for each other (andromeda and our own milky way for example)<br /><br />I have looked all over the internet for an alternative to dark energy for causing the rapid expansion of the universe and have come up empty handed.<br /><br />Lets say that our "universe" is part of an infinite number of universes. The amount of matter is infinite (I will discuss why this may be true later). Is it possible that the universes that we cannot see are pulling on our outermost galaxies and therefore creating a redshift? <br /><br />-----------------------------------<br /><br />Also on a differant topic, it is often accepted that it is possible that other universes could exist with differant laws of physics than the laws we are accustomed to. It might be possible that there is a universe without anti-matter that constantly creates matter? Perhaps God is a universe? Out if this matter an infinite number of universes could be formed, and if you have an infinite number of universes, life doesn't seem so improbable. Some would lack the gravity to pull matter together and create stars and would just sit there as bubbles of hydrogen, but one out of an infinite number would become a universe much like ours =). In fact there would be an infinite number of universes just like ours. <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /><br /><br />The reason I post this stuff here is because in reality I wanted to become an astronomer, so that I could take my thoughts and ideas and put them to the test. Unfortunately I was not willing to take the plunge and some parts of astronomy just don't s

 

[alkalin]

I have thought about the issue of dark matter as well and would like to offer another approach that for me explains it fairly well. But first I believe others have proposed many large black holes at the edge of our universe that would gravitationally tug at this one to spread it faster at the edges. Rather exotic idea, if you ask me. But who knows, there could be other universes instead. I rather doubt it due to much different paradigms for the overall picture, and nothing to offer for proof in either case.<br /><br />Just suppose that there is a great deal of matter in the form of gas or plasma in between the galaxies. We can see some plasma within galaxies due its nearness to certain stars, where it gets heated enough to glow in some form of energy. But if it existed in between galaxies, it would be virtually undetectable by a direct energy measurement. Yet it is detectable through indirect methods such as its effect on polarization. Measurements done on polarization indicated there actually is a great deal of matter out there, enough to surprised astronomers. <br /><br />There are two important considerations if abundance of matter in between galaxies is indeed true. First, it would absorb light which would place distant objects closer to us than we currently think, since a distance measure is based on an objects brightness. So this in effect may answer the dark energy issue.<br /><br />And second, and even more important, the red shift seen in the distant universe now becomes explainable for reasons other than Doppler shift. Of course no one in cosmology would buy this as yet, but I think someday they might have to, because BB theory has virtually totally failed so far in any prediction it has made. It has been necessary in almost every case where it failed, they were forced to fix the problem with some exotic math of non-reality. That should tell us something.<br /><br />That’s my forty cents worth.<br /><br />

 

[why06]

It seems like the answers to the big bang always end up with vague confusing infinite answers. Alakin, what you said makes very good sense... at least to me. Alexander223, the only problem I see with your answer is that you said <br /><blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr /><p>it is possible that other universes could exist with differant laws of physics than the laws we are accustomed to<br /><br />And then said...<br /><blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr /><p>Is it possible that the universes that we cannot see are pulling on our outermost galaxies and therefore creating a redshift?<br /><br /><font color="orange"> If these univereses could have different laws of physics they may not create gravity, but who knows. This is were religion comes into play, with the fact that there is always going to be another question.<br /><font color="white"><br />Also gravity has reference to distance since the gravitational reaction between matter is only the speed of light, and does not effect things instantly. since we don't know weather alternate universes exist or not or weather their would be any kind of median between them this could be wrong or right. Best to keep it simple though, not to over complicate things.<br />Good question. Things like these always make for an interesting subject of conversation. And welcome to the forum.<br /><br />Also you might want to make your smily faces like this <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /><font color="yellow"></font></font></font></p></blockquote></p></blockquote> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <div>________________________________________ <br /></div><div><ul><li><font color="#008000"><em>your move...</em></font></li></ul></div> </div>

 

[alexander223]

Thankyou for responding to my thread. I suppose that it is silly to hope of making an impact on the astronomy community without formal education in Astronomy . It would probably do me more good to ask questions rather than provide answers <img src="/images/icons/tongue.gif" />. <br /><br />regarding my original post. It just does not make sense to me that it would push the universe apart but would not push galaxies apart.

 

[hayagreeva]

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[yevaud]

This is now twice. Please do not post these non-scientific concepts in a hard science thread. The Phenomena thread is designated for such discussions. Please begin a thread there.<br /><br />Thank you. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em>Differential Diagnosis:  </em>"<strong><em>I am both amused and annoyed that you think I should be less stubborn than you are</em></strong>."<br /> </p> </div>

 

[detriech69]

I don't buy dark energy or dark matter. It is just a way of saying they really have no idea and have to call these discrepencies in the current theories something so their sacred Big Bang and space being mostly empty theories still have credence. Science is a popularity contest and must follow peer review rules and not be too "out there" to be considered by the mainstream at all. Much like ideas in these forums. FTL is taboo. Time travel is taboo. Little green men are taboo all because short-sighted mainstreamers can't see past their textbooks. I'm just using these topics as examples and am not advocating any of them today, here.<br />Gravity and what it really is and how it really works and why. Science must answer these questions first and has not. Einstein's theories are great tools for explaining observations and work most of the time, but that doesn't necessarily mean his understanding of Gravity was reality. Without being able to leave our solar system and see what the universe looks like from a different perspective, we are stranded here for now and must make due with what we can explain and what we can not. Ether may in reality exist between all objects in space and be the medium energy travels through like boats on the water or fish through the oceans. Space is by no means empty and photons and electrons and neutrons and protons are not points. They all have dimension and size to themselves and their actual structure may surprise us and also explain many of our physics mysteries(ei: gravity). Quantum mechanics is based on subatomic particles being points of infinitely small size. When scale is added to these particles, the theories don't always work anymore. Math is a great tool, but is no substitute for proof of a theory. Works on paper doesn't always work in real life.<br />I've read alternative science theories where electrons are merely captured photons and if you wrap a photon around a neutron you get a proton. Theories is all these musings are at this

 

[detriech69]

Are you a moderator? If not, mind your place. Your no better than anyone else here.

 

[telfrow]

Link <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <strong><font color="#3366ff">Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild.</font> - <font color="#3366ff"><em>Tennyson</em></font></strong> </div>

 

[detriech69]

My apologies, I didn't realize you were allowed special powers when I chided you. My bad. And you are right. Alternative science should be in a forum where it won't be relentlessly attacked for existing. If "hard science" did a better job of explaining the Universe, perhaps we wouldn't need alternative views......

 

[alokmohan]

Existence of dark energy is required to explain all the mass in the universe.What precisely it is is matter of research.

 

[bonzelite]

<font color="yellow"><br />Existence of dark energy is required to explain all the mass in the universe.What precisely it is is matter of research.</font><br /><br />in all fairness, in a non-hostile "for instance," please consider, too, that dark matter and dark energy are proposed band-aids for conflicting models and highly tenuous attempts to explain physical reality. these models can only be an abstraction at best, and, at worst, symbolically incorrect approximations of a reality. <br /><br />in other words, you can dress up in scuba gear to your desk job, but the attire is entirely inappropriate and will ultimately hinder your job performance as it introduces unnecessary factors that will detract from the main idea. you don't need to wear an oxygen tank and mask to your workplace in a highrise building. you don't need dark matter or energy to lead ideas further astray from reality.