<font color="cyan">Even if it is shown that Lisi’s particular attempted application of physics to the E8 has fatal flaws, he has however at least shown some interesting ways to build up to E8. The constructions may be of interest from a mathematical point of view independent of their physical associations, which is what is mostly questioned. </font><br /><br />There was a time I could get into group theories and Lie group. Well, I didn't. That's why the PDF file didn't make much sense to me except the beginning and the conclusion. That's why I read others' comments from your second link. None of their comments are flattering, in fact the comments are made to embarrass Lisi. Do I sense some sort of jealousy, that a guy with no connection to a big name university have accomplish this but they (blogger) who carry around himself with a false sense of superiority have done nothing, NADA, zippo? I have an intuition the real breakthrough will come from an outsider like Lisi, Barbour (rip) or someone like them. Insiders are already misled.<br /><br />H2Ouniverse's comments are quite contradictory to the bloggers.<br /><br />Now my ranting. I still don't understand why all scientists are so relentlessly trying to combine gravity with other 3 forces? This is necessary if single-point-origin of the universe is true. Otherwise, I don't see any benefit from unification of 4 forces. <br /><br />If E8 unification is correct, the String people's morales would be way down. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <font size="2" color="#ff0000"><strong>Earth is Boring</strong></font> </div>