Gravity_Ray":2vebt1ga said:Now we asked the same questions, but this time the answer was we want a space ship. But you dont build a generic space ship and go tooling around our solar system. You have to build mission specific ships (like going to the Moon and comming back). So if our new mission is the Moon the Ares program will work simply because it has worked before in the form of Apollo.
Ray, I would never question NASA's ability to perform its mission as long as the budget supported it. The budget does not support it. Cold truth. We probably aren't going back to the Moon any time soon. The bucks are just not there. Apollo was expensive. To do right, Constellation will be even more expensive. We can't afford Apollo on Steroids.
Nobody including me is stating that the Ares program is or can be the best program, just that for now you need a capsule to get to the moon (as it now appears to be a very good target due to new findings of water). So here is Ares. Ares is not really made for the ISS LEO duties (it can do them... efficiently? No. But it can do them while ISS lasts). I am sure that once Ares is built it will be used to move our knowledge forward and eventually be scraped. Thats just the way of exploring space (it’s expensive and time consuming). If you ask the question what should be cut out of funding to pay for Moon, I’d say the ISS, and the Shuttle.
I get the impression that you are confusing the Ares launch vehicles with Orion, the crewed spacecraft. At any rate, my guess is that at least part of the Ares family will end up being NASA's new HLV, in one form or another and Orion may very well ride on that vehicle at some point.
I never meant to imply that constellation program will be the best that can be, just that its the best way right now to get out to deep space and explore and move forward. If others have better ideas, I don’t think anybody in NASA will ignore them.
I think others with other ideas have been getting the ear of TPTB.