Basic Error: The accelerating Universe conclusion - reason

[Catastrophe]

PS Another point I did not answer was how a 2D mathematician could calculate 3D issues. You challenged the idea that a 2d person could perceive an orthogonal direction by saying that volumes were out of their conception.

A pertinent point but a plain would be within their imaginations. The idea that a plain intersects its own plain at 90 degrees is feasible. It would start as a dot then a line increasing in length as it intersects and then declining until it disappears. They would lack the full description of an intersection of a sphere but would be able to ascertain basic principles.

We were both correct

plain versus plane - Google Suche

Cat

 

[Gibsense]

Plain v Plane ; Thanks

 

[Harry Costas]

Interesting link

- YouTube

Auf YouTube findest du die angesagtesten Videos und Tracks. Außerdem kannst du eigene Inhalte hochladen und mit Freunden oder gleich der ganzen Welt teilen.

search.app

 

[Atlan0001]

It can't be rotated the way they rotate it in the YouTube video. The EM time curvature within SPACE disallows the picture to be a picture of such singular objects and orientations. The motions over SPACETIME's millions to billions of past-future histories would be a strange attractor of chaos making it a many sided particle that would be many different particles from each side of the many sides observed. Several different universes in one SPACE, impossible to map.

Thus, as the saying goes, that map is not the territory and can never be the territory. Small pieces of it, in SPACETIME, could be navigated at a time without losing one's way around the universes. But the whole would be changing in internal geometric curvatures too swiftly to hold on to an observable whole (just like, exactly like, a difference between superficially observable Relativity physics and hidden actual Quantum (quanta)physics).

 

[Gibsense]

The science:
By measuring about 2,400 Cepheid stars in 19 galaxies and comparing the observed brightness of both star types, they accurately measured their true brightness and calculated distances to roughly 300 Type Ia supernovae in far-flung galaxies.

The team compared those distances with the expansion of space as measured by the stretching of light from receding galaxies. They used these two values to calculate how fast the universe expands with time, or the Hubble constant.

The error: An assumption that the stretching of light from receding galaxies was due mostly to the expansion of space.
The alternative: The redshift (light stretching) observed was largely due to time dilation.
The logic: The spherical nature of the universe at extreme distances approaching t=0 introduces extreme curvature. The curvature acts to observe in much the same way as the spatial curvature on approaching a black hole. In both cases, space and time are rotated and time dilation occurs (at t=0 the rotation is 90 degrees).
NB I think the major misunderstandings are about:
1. That time has a specific dimension; this is not correct. There are 4 spatial dimensions. Time can 'act' in any direction of the 4 allowing the other 3 to be 3D space. However, do remember the radius is proper 'cosmic' time history and the radii of a sphere point in all possible directions of 4D space - I am referencing a hypersphere (a type of sphere)
2. That our position (on the sphere) is not unique. It is relative. If you moved a few billion light-years around the sphere t=0 would have shifted correspondingly (at 90 degrees to your time and space). It, t=0, results from curvature - not an approach to the BB. (similar to space curvature at a black hole)
3. The assertion that hyperspherical space curvature produces time dilation is only special relativity applied on a large scale (ignoring the effect of mass and relying on a homogenous nature of the universe).
4. Time is not a dimension but a process acting on the universe in any of 4 spatial dimensions but - within a hypersphere - in a radial direction primarily (cosmic/proper time) and rotated from the radial by speed. IMO
5. Time (locally) always acts at 90 degrees to the local space including where space is shaped by mass

I failed to point out that 'everyone' assumes that time measured anywhere (in the universe) runs parallel.

• If the universe is closed then space is curved (n sphere)
• Time runs orthogonal to space
• Therefore time is radial (not parallel)

 

[Harry Costas]

One needs to remember
Time is not a physical item and can not be compressed or expanded.

Yet time recording can be altered by gravity or high electromagnetic Condensates affecting the EMR or by the measuring instrument.

Prime example Black Hole properties can entrap EMR within the Event Horizon.

 

[Gibsense]

One needs to remember
Time is not a physical item and can not be compressed or expanded.

Yet time recording can be altered by gravity or high electromagnetic Condensates affecting the EMR or by the measuring instrument.

Prime example Black Hole properties can entrap EMR within the Event Horizon.

Ok, Harry so your point is?

 

[Classical Motion]

If time wasn't physical, no one would have to wait.

 

[Harry Costas]

What do you mean?

 

[Harry Costas]

Space-Time
What do people mean?
Curvature Time -space.

 

[Greenlight]

Space-Time
What do people mean?
Curvature Time -space.

space without time is literally nothing
In physics, a meter is the SI unit of length and is defined as the distance light travels in a vacuum in 1/299,792,458 of a second.
so distance is defined by time.
in a gravitational field, time is dilated and this affects the length of a meter
curvature of space/time is the radial gradient as time dilation decreases with radial distance.

 

[Classical Motion]

Time is the most physical entity there is. There are no senses, any senses, without time. Time is only indirectly related to space via expressing distance. Time comes from motion. It is a property, a co-product of displacement. A co-product of motion. Space is not related to time. Space is not physical. Time is.

Time comes from mass and matter, just like all physical properties do.

For life, time is existence. The most physical of all physicalities. And the fatal one. The fatal property.

There are two physics. Dead matter physics and living matter physics and they are NOT the same.

Two different universes. One has been determined since the beginning and one has choice. And choice can not be determined. Dead is determined and life is undetermined. Only life has possibility. Not the cosmos. It’s set and on auto.

Chaos, randomness and probability only come from unknown choice. And living systems. And only here on Earth. It falsely helps to explain flux. Both physical and bio-flux. And gives us spacetime. And blinds us.

This is just my discernation from living, working and using physical properties. Like baling hay. A baled hay-field can explain redshift. And quantum light. And a spoked wheel can do the same.

 

[Harry Costas]

Time is not a physical item.
How we communicate determines the accuracy of time.
How can time be different at different locations?
and then come out of it and have the same time.
EMR is affected by gravity and Electromagnetic objects.

 

[Atlan0001]

Time is not a physical item.
How we communicate determines the accuracy of time.
How can time be different at different locations?
and then come out of it and have the same time.
EMR is affected by gravity and Electromagnetic objects.

Time is a physical item because, through two quantum interactions (together the electroweak interaction), it is the fundamental defining determination of "finite." Gravity, through its fractal zooms structure of universes, ties into infinity (infinities) and the open, and opening, system . . . and the strong interaction into fundamentality's "set and reset" to '1' ('unity').

 

[Harry Costas]

If you think Time is a physical item.
Prove it

I would invent a TIME machine if so.

 

[Harry Costas]

Many papers write about space and time.
such as the following paper. Yet no Physical Time is mentioned.

[Submitted on 20 Oct 2024]

Effect of an Expanding Charged Cloud on two-particle Bose-Einstein Correlations​

Hemida H. Mohammed, Mate Csanad, Y. Mohammed, N. Rashed, Daniel Kincses, M. A. Mahmoud

In high-energy physics, quantum statistical correlation measurements are very important for getting a good picture of how a particle-emitting source is structured in space and time, as well as its thermodynamic properties and inner dynamics. It is necessary to take into account the various final state effects since they have the potential to alter the observed femtoscopic correlation functions. Protons are affected mostly by the strong interaction, whereas other charged particles are mostly influenced by the Coulomb interaction. The interaction of the particles under investigation with the fireball or the expanding cloud of the other particles in the final state might also have significant consequences. This may cause the particle's trajectory to shift. This phenomenon can be viewed as an Aharonov-Bohm effect since the pair's alternate tracks reveal a closed loop with an internal field. We investigate a numerical solution for a toy model to study the modifications of Bose-Einstien correlation function strength, which is sensitive to this effect

 

[Atlan0001]

If you think Time is a physical item.
Prove it

I would invent a TIME machine if so.

We've got milk still in the refrigerator on the 22nd of October that has a freshness date of the 17th of Oct. It is beginning to texturize, smell and taste like the 17th of October on this the 22nd of October. Proof positive time is finite and thus physical. Time, that is, except the trunk: entangled, entangling, spontaneously concurrent (t=0) REALTIME NOW (t=0) instant moment of existence that buy's time's constant of finite from infinity (infinite '0')!

 

[Greenlight]

matter by itself would not be a physical object without time.
matter + time = physical object.

A physical object is a collection of matter that has a defined boundary in three-dimensional space.
three-dimensional space is space/time.
Time is an essential element to physicality.

 

[Harry Costas]

What can I say?
If you think Time is a physical object?
Then Time can be changed, expanded, and compressed.

That means we have different times everywhere.

Time and space refer to Relativity.

 

[Atlan0001]

What can I say?
If you think Time is a physical object?
Then Time can be changed, expanded, and compressed.

That means we have different times everywhere.

Time and space refer to Relativity.

I defer to:

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forums.space.com

 

[Gibsense]

ere seems to be an assumption that each "page" is static, and can be flicked in a time dimension.

Do you correspondingly propose that our world is made of corresponding 3D static entities, which (by analogy) can be "flicked", in our time dimension?

If not, why not?

Yes!

 

[Gibsense]

I have just reread some of this thread and have been surprised at its usefulness! There have been some omissions and some misunderstandings but on the whole, I found a reread of the first few pages quite useful. It would be great to have similar positive exchanges on other subjects instead of negative arguments, lol.

 

[Thermoman]

The science:
By measuring about 2,400 Cepheid stars in 19 galaxies and comparing the observed brightness of both star types, they accurately measured their true brightness and calculated distances to roughly 300 Type Ia supernovae in far-flung galaxies.

The team compared those distances with the expansion of space as measured by the stretching of light from receding galaxies. They used these two values to calculate how fast the universe expands with time, or the Hubble constant.

You are doing it ''wrong'' because your observation is based on receding visible matter , not the space-time between and beyond visible bodies . Additionally you lack the words space-time metric expansion , leading the reader to a false impression . Space-Time is transparent , it does not emit or reflect light , you can't measure Space-Time the way you have .

The error: An assumption that the stretching of light from receding galaxies was due mostly to the expansion of space.

 

[Gibsense]

You are doing it ''wrong'' because your observation is based on receding visible matter , not the space-time between and beyond visible bodies . Additionally you lack the words space-time metric expansion , leading the reader to a false impression . Space-Time is transparent , it does not emit or reflect light , you can't measure Space-Time the way you have .

Not my thoughts. The statement is of the best up to date measurement by cosmologists. I quoted them in order to challenge their conclusion. If I were to do that differently now it would bore many here but essentially it is based on my assumption the the direction light moved in 4 Dimensions is key.

I get the impression that you don't agree with some of my thoughts but I cannot yet find anything with substance but that may just be me missing some point or other.

 

[Thermoman]

I get the impression that you don't agree with some of my thoughts but I cannot yet find anything with substance but that may just be me missing some point or other.

If you are referring to this :

''
1. That time has a specific dimension; this is not correct. There are 4 spatial dimensions. Time can 'act' in any direction of the 4 allowing the other 3 to be 3D space. However, do remember the radius is proper 'cosmic' time history and the radii of a sphere point in all possible directions of 4D space - I am referencing a hypersphere (a type of sphere)
2. That our position (on the sphere) is not unique. It is relative. If you moved a few billion light-years around the sphere t=0 would have shifted correspondingly (at 90 degrees to your time and space). It, t=0, results from curvature - not an approach to the BB. (similar to space curvature at a black hole)
3. The assertion that hyperspherical space curvature produces time dilation is only special relativity applied on a large scale (ignoring the effect of mass and relying on a homogenous nature of the universe).
4. Time is not a dimension but a process acting on the universe in any of 4 spatial dimensions but - within a hypersphere - in a radial direction primarily (cosmic/proper time) and rotated from the radial by speed. IMO
5. Time (locally) always acts at 90 degrees to the local space including where space is shaped by mass''

That is nonsensical !