<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Moving this thread back from ‘Space Science & Astronomy’ to ‘The Unexplained’ will be like admitting that issues of ‘Dark Matter’ isn’t scientific but rather of religious philosophy. Still there are no doubt serious interpretations of the Big Bang Theory, and consequently Dark Matter and Dark Energy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_interpretations_of_the_Big_Bang_theory <br />Posted by vidargander</DIV></p><p>Not at all. But I do agree with Meteor Wayne's approach, and look forward to Mozina's defense of his assertions and specific answers to my specific challenges to those assertions.</p><p>The real issue behind dark matter is the explanation of the observed rates of revolution of the outer arms of some galaxies about the galactic center. There is not enough observed matter to provide the necessary gravity and centrepital acceleration. Dark matter is a hypothesis designed to explain what it seen, and it is solid mainstream physics. It is speculative physics, and we don't know what dark matter is. We don't even really know if it exists. But it is responsible speculation.</p><p>Dark energy, likewise, is a hypothetical construct, more speculative than dark matter, that is intended as a place holder while an explanation for the observations that indicate that the rate of expansion of the universe is increasing is devised. It is equivalent to a positive cosmological constant in the Einstein equations of general relativity. It too is nothing more than responsible speculation, and discussion of it is a legitimate discussion within physics. We dond't know if it exists, be we do know that there is something going on that seems to be consistent with a model that incorporates a positive cosmological constant. We have no idea as to the physical source of that constant.</p><p>Mozina has gone beyond the issue of dark matter, and even of dark energy. He has impuned the very solid work of a number of outstanding physicists -- work reflected in the references that I have provided for him to refute (if he can). His objective has nothing whatever to do with a sensible discussion of dark matter. His objective is to promote his own agenda -- pushing the outlandish ideas of Electric Universe proponents and denigrating mainstream physicists who have dismissed him and his nonsense.</p><p>The problem with the thread has nothing to do with the legitimacy of discussions regarding dark matter or dark energy. The problem pure and simple is Mozina himself and his personal agenda. But now his responsibility to defend his position with real science and real data has been made clear by Wayne. I have provided for him specific references to material that he says is contrived and false. It is up to him to either defend his statements, concede that they are utter nonsense or face serious consequences for posting pseudoscience in a legitimate science forum and attempting to hijack the thread in the name of that pseudoscience.</p><p>The references that I provided to the physics and physicists that he has impuned are real scientific scholarly works, not over-simplified popularizations. The authors are eminent physicists, very eminent. He has his work cut out for him to show, with real data and real mathematics, that they have been less than rigorous and forthright in their work. In fact his task will be impossible since their work is solid and Mozina has no idea what he is talking about. His mouth has written a check that his bank account cannot handle.<br /></p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>