Question Does the Universe exist as a reality that is independent of observers?

[whoknows]

That's all.

 

[Classical Motion]

Sure.

 

[whoknows]

Sure.

Sorted.

 

[promytius]

Do you have any evidence that it isn't?

 

[whoknows]

Do you have any evidence that it isn't?

Of course not, nor will anybody else. The post is a counter to a repeated assertion that there are only observable universes. I am just interested to see what others might think.

 

[Classical Motion]

The large and the small are impossible for us to observe or measure. For now, anyhow.

 

[promytius]

Of course not, nor will anybody else. The post is a counter to a repeated assertion that there are only observable universes. I am just interested to see what others might think.

Well then, if I may, it was poorly formed; if you mean do things exist beyond our observational powers? Then, almost certainly. we 'see' a roughly 85 billion lyr. wide observable universe; if we assume that is a "normal" distance for observable universes, then there is no reason to doubt that there is at least another 85 billion lyr. wide observable universe beyond the edge of ours. Where's there's one, there may be an infinite number of spaces known as observable universes, each only known to itself.
A falling tree makes the same sounds in the woods when it falls without observation. The entire concept of "observation" has been taken hostage by physics and it's ill-stated, and frankly false proclamation that "observing a particle will alter its state" - that's simply not true. The instruments to carry out the observations impart energy to the particle to then take a measurement; that is falsely referred to as "observing" when it's really "exciting."
So - I see the true Universe as infinite for many reasons, my favorite being the "last container" theory; the universe must be contained in something and the only viable candidate for successful containment is an infinite Universe.
My answer to your question is that, what we see is so minuscule in comparison to all that is, that there is no way to statistically represent our insignificance among the total. Anyone who reads this should not worry, anyone reading this will doubtfully leave the planet anyway, so it's all speculation.

 

[COLGeek]

This topic has been discussed in ad nauseam in multiple threads recently.

This thread is now closed.