Earth not part of milky way

[josh_simonson]

I saw this article which I found to be quite interesting. <br /><br />http://viewzone.com/milkyway.html<br /><br />Turns out that our solar system is part of a smaller, dough nut shaped galaxy that was captured by the milky way and now orbits/intersects it.

 

[lampblack]

Well, that's pretty dog-goned cool -- if it's true.<br /><br />I wonder if some astronomer types could weigh in on whether it's true? <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <font color="#0000ff"><strong>Just tell the truth and let the chips fall...</strong></font> </div>

 

[emperor_of_localgroup]

Amazing news!!!!!! Our solar system's angular positioning gave away the family secret.<br /><br />I always felt milky way is my step dad. lol. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <font size="2" color="#ff0000"><strong>Earth is Boring</strong></font> </div>

 

[brellis]

Wow, I'm glad I have no idea how to confirm or refute this theory. It's already quite taxing on my noggin' to visualize the retrograde motion of the stars versus the spiral arms of MW. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font size="2" color="#ff0000"><em><strong>I'm a recovering optimist - things could be better.</strong></em></font> </p> </div>

 

[Aetius]

Neato mosquito!

 

[MeteorWayne]

Please note that everything in the article below the headline :<br /><br /><font color="black">"Implications in Global warming?"</font><br /><br />is the speculation of the author, and is not contained in the reference study.<br /><br />MW<br /><br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080"><em><font color="#000000">But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id.</font></em> </font></p><p><font color="#000080">I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function</font><font color="#000080"> </font></p> </div>

 

[Aetius]

It's the inspiration for my new sig line:

 

[MeteorWayne]

The actual study does not say that. It says the Saggitarius galaxy is raining down on us. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080"><em><font color="#000000">But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id.</font></em> </font></p><p><font color="#000080">I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function</font><font color="#000080"> </font></p> </div>

 

[Aetius]

That's what I get for reading the article too quickly. <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" />

 

[fear]

I didn’t even get what the author was talking about after the <i>Implications in Global Warming?</i> line. <blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr /><p> the real reason for both global warming since higher energy levels of the Milky Way are almost certain to cause our Sun to burn hotter <p><hr /></p></p></blockquote>What does that even mean? <br /><br />Higher energy levels of what? Interstellar gas? I doubt that would really affect the sun that much. <br /><br />Even if it was, it would have been doing it for billions of years already; not all of a sudden. We wouldn’t notice any difference since it would be gradual and already happening for all of humanity’s existence.<br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[nova_explored]

I don't buy it. Our sun fits with the cosmic makeup of the outer arm in relation to inner structure of...milky way. Not this nexus relocation they are suggesting. The fact that some of the makeup doesn't match in terms of other suns may very well be in keeping with the joining of another galaxy, but not our solar system. and we do sit on the ecliptic, but like every other sun, their is a juxtaposition between the true center and the center that is created by the galaxy's axis itself (the tip of the axis). <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[derekmcd]

When the advertising banner is "Elite Online Dating" from "sugardadday.com"... well... do I need to extrapolate? <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <div> </div><br /><div><span style="color:#0000ff" class="Apple-style-span">"If something's hard to do, then it's not worth doing." - Homer Simpson</span></div> </div>

 

[silylene old]

fringe science. Don't believe everything you read. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature" align="center"><em><font color="#0000ff">- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -</font></em> </div><div class="Discussion_UserSignature" align="center"><font color="#0000ff"><em>I really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function.</em></font> </div> </div>

 

[CalliArcale]

It seems odd to me as well. I mean, the best they seem to suggest as a reason for supposing we're "from" Sagittarius is the angle of the ecliptic versus the plane of the Milky Way. By that logic, we should be thinking that Uranus did not originate in our solar system, but few scientists think that. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p> </p><p><font color="#666699"><em>"People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect, but actually from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint it's more like a big ball of wibbly wobbly . . . timey wimey . . . stuff."</em>  -- The Tenth Doctor, "Blink"</font></p> </div>

 

[vogon13]

IIRC, Herschel demonstrated hundreds of years ago rather convingingly that earth is part of the Milky Way Galaxy, even if he was a little fuzzy on the definition of 'galaxy'.<br /><br /><br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#ff0000"><strong>TPTB went to Dallas and all I got was Plucked !!</strong></font></p><p><font color="#339966"><strong>So many people, so few recipes !!</strong></font></p><p><font color="#0000ff"><strong>Let's clean up this stinkhole !!</strong></font> </p> </div>

 

[josh_simonson]

>It seems odd to me as well. I mean, the best they seem to suggest as a reason for supposing we're "from" Sagittarius is the angle of the ecliptic versus the plane of the Milky Way. By that logic, we should be thinking that Uranus did not originate in our solar system, but few scientists think that.<br /><br />Well that and the Mayan calendar isn't accurate anymore. <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" /> Perhaps until more work is done we'll have to settle with: we may not be from the milky way - pending paternity testing. I'm sure many astronomers are clamoring to refute or confirm this hypothesis.<br /><br />The global warming hype is pretty silly, but it's ubiquitous. Today I saw a headline saying that global warming could make poison ivy more virulent... Yep, that's the straw that's going to break the camel's back.

 

[MeteorWayne]

The Poison Ivy thing is old news, and has some good science behind it. <br /><br />And to be clear, it's not based on GW, but rather the increased CO2 concentrations, which are irrefuteable. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080"><em><font color="#000000">But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id.</font></em> </font></p><p><font color="#000080">I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function</font><font color="#000080"> </font></p> </div>

 

[jaxtraw]

The original press release doesn't seem to mention Sol being stolen from the Sagittarius galaxy at all--<br /><br />http://astsun.astro.virginia.edu/~mfs4n/sgr/

 

[CalliArcale]

The Mayan Calendar? Oh dear; I was skimming it very lightly, and missed that. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p> </p><p><font color="#666699"><em>"People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect, but actually from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint it's more like a big ball of wibbly wobbly . . . timey wimey . . . stuff."</em>  -- The Tenth Doctor, "Blink"</font></p> </div>

 

[MeteorWayne]

That's what I said in the 5th post in the thread <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080"><em><font color="#000000">But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id.</font></em> </font></p><p><font color="#000080">I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function</font><font color="#000080"> </font></p> </div>

 

[jaxtraw]

Yes, but I said it more clearly <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /> <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" />

 

[dragon04]

<font color="yellow">The actual study does not say that. It says the Saggitarius galaxy is raining down on us.</font><br /><br />I picked that out as well. In light of that, how can we assume that we would be part of what is "raining down on us"?<br /><br />The "raining down" part implies to me that something is "crossing our path" as opposed to us being part of a larger system "moving through" the MW in terms of a larger system.<br /><br />Are we not observing a relative motion that we're not a constituent of?<br /><br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <em>"2012.. Year of the Dragon!! Get on the Dragon Wagon!".</em> </div>

 

[revati]

ya its also a shocking news for me, is this proved by some research or facts.

 

[MeteorWayne]

BTW, this has gotten such play it is a subject of Phil Plaitt's Bad Astronomy blog here <br /><br />As usual he crushes the crappy science in the ViwZone article, which totalloy misconstrues the original research. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080"><em><font color="#000000">But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id.</font></em> </font></p><p><font color="#000080">I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function</font><font color="#000080"> </font></p> </div>

 

[keermalec]

"It has been postulated that this is the real reason for both global warming since higher energy levels of the Milky Way are almost certain to cause our Sun to burn hotter and emit higher energies. Indeed, temperatures have been seen to rise on virtually all the planets in our system. This seems quite apart from any local phenomenon like greenhouse gases etc."<br /><br />That is grand galactic-scale BS if you will excuse me... <br /><br />And this is pure whatever-you-wanna-call-it:<br /><br />"In our movement through space, our Earth has now fully begun to respond to the more powerful galactic energies and electro-gravitational bias of the massive Milky Way. We have reached the higher energy equatorial disc region of the massive spiral arm. We have now been "adopted" by a new system, a stronger and more powerful system, and we can expect changes on almost every level of energy." <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em>“An error does not become a mistake until you refuse to correct it.” John F. Kennedy</em></p> </div>