Electric Universes review of Deep Impact

[jatslo]

Clouds from the Sun compress the Earth's magnetosphere, resulting is a stirring up of energetic particles within the radiation belts, and ionosphere that cause major magnetic storms on Earth: Lightning from your finger tips as they strike the keying mechanism. <img src="/images/icons/cool.gif" /> Someone who would like evidence in support of planetary birth might prove that compression of magnetic fields will increase core spin, creating a vortex that eventually displays mitosis like behavior.<br /><br />Energy precursors with ball lightning first, then factor matter into the mix is just simple mathematics. NASA shuttle experiments utilize sound waves to spin water, which transformed to vortex that displayed mitosis characteristics. Small scale quantification to large scale hypothecations. I know where you can find a "Interstellar Cloud" culprit. <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" />

 

[bonzelite]

<font color="orange"><br />Clouds from the Sun compress the Earth's magnetosphere, resulting is a stirring up of energetic particles within the radiation belts, and ionosphere that cause major magnetic storms on Earth: Lightning from your finger tips as they strike the keying mechanism.</font><br /><br />ok. electrostatic charge is what you're talking about. i follow that, yes. this charge can build up due to friction. and you could say <i>the solar plasma impinges upon the earth's mag field</i> --thus creating aurorae. it may also help to create weather patterns, disrupt radio and tv broadcasts, yes. <br /><br /><font color="yellow">Someone who would like evidence in support of planetary birth might prove that compression of magnetic fields will increase core spin, creating a vortex that eventually displays mitosis like behavior. </font><br /><br />i've never heard it put that quite way. that is an interesting variation on a theme:<br /><br />the mitosis, which is unproven, is allegedly due to a large scale separation of charge event just as in electrical discharging seen in electrical storms. take the sun's roiling surface to the extreme, creating CME's so large that the mass ejected becomes a spinning molten sphere that eventually cools.<i> <font color="orange">this is a theory, although widely hated and unsupported, for the existence of super-jupiter sized gas giant planets orbiting at nearly impossibly close distances to their primary star, with extremely short orbital periods (extremely high angular momentum).</font>/i><br /><br /><br /></i>

 

[jatslo]

The Earth is ball lightning with mostly matter

 

[bonzelite]

that can be argued, yes. most would find that absurdist, but i see where you are going with that. you can set up a mode of thinking, replete with examples, that will make at least make a case for it. you could also modify your theme and say <i>earth is mostly a ball lightning plasma state with a small percentage of other states of matter that define it's mass, visible form, surface, and atmosphere.</i><br /><br />a caveat to this premise is that ball lightning, on a small scale that is observed directly, is extremely unknown as to it's nature. very very little is known about it, even to plasma scientists. it literally goes against not only theory, but actual "proof" through observation of conventional electricity. <br /><br />the other side to this is that, being so highly unknown, makes a case for many things being unknown in general, and, as plasma events are scalable, could be as such to planetary and stellar scales. and the actual reasons for it's existence and behavior, on any scale, is unknown. and there is, as yet, no clear way to make any sense out of it. i find this exciting and poetic, as well as thematically fitting to the nature of the cosmos --ultimately, it does not let you touch it. <br /><br />

 

[Saiph]

....okay, well, lets just start at the top here:<br /><br />Exoskeletons..are not applicable to this discussion. Agreed. however, it is showing you how that logic doesn't work. Just because it exists as a small thing, doesn't mean there's a large one.<br /><br />Now, as to the earth's magnetic field...what has that to do with blue stars being ball lightning?<br /><br />But: What effect does the sun have on the core, through it? Well, the sun does exert a torque on the magnetic field, and through that angular momentum is bled off, but only very slowly I'm sure (i.e. it's insignificant compared to other effects).<br /><br />as for the rest of it....(repelling things to space)...I don't think so.<br /><br />Ball lightning and the "caging" effect: The exact dynamics are uncertain, along with how it forms naturally. However, magnetic "cages" are used in labs all the time, so the general mechanisms are understood. Fusion labs are studying ball lightning for hints as to how plasma can contain itself (if this is indeed the case).<br /><br /><br />as for the earth is ball lightning comment....huh? <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p align="center"><font color="#c0c0c0"><br /></font></p><p align="center"><font color="#999999"><em><font size="1">--------</font></em></font><font color="#999999"><em><font size="1">--------</font></em></font><font color="#999999"><em><font size="1">----</font></em></font><font color="#666699">SaiphMOD@gmail.com </font><font color="#999999"><em><font size="1">-------------------</font></em></font></p><p><font color="#999999"><em><font size="1">"This is my Timey Wimey Detector.  Goes "bing" when there's stuff.  It also fries eggs at 30 paces, wether you want it to or not actually.  I've learned to stay away from hens: It's not pretty when they blow" -- </font></em></font><font size="1" color="#999999">The Tenth Doctor, "Blink"</font></p> </div>

 

[jatslo]

Saiph said, "... <font color="lightgreen">Now, as to the earth's magnetic field...what has that to do with blue stars being ball lightning?</font> ..."<br /><br />The scale, as in scale it up; scale it up to "Black Hole" for all I care. I am talking about energy and matter, in which the volume of energy is primary in ball lightning, for ball lightning has mass; therefore, ball lightning must also have gravity according Albert Einstein's theories.<br /><br />I would like to talk more about "... <font color="lightgreen">Exoskeletons</font> ..." in retrospect to core activity in both models, because clearly positive, and negative anomalies are observed in the universe. For example, the Black Hole jets substance, and possibly non-substance from its poles, and these anomalies are hypothetical negative, and positive in nature, so why is it too hard to hypothesis that these negative masses, exist as negative masses that arc when passing positive, or negative masses? Speaking of dynamics; is it not harmonic to spin something to extend its lifespan as you see it?<br /><br />I am surprised these Electric Universe folks, quit so quickly. <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /> I can explore these phenomena's easily in my mind, and I don't need any theories to guide my logic. <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" /> Jatslo OUT!

 

[nexium]

One of the space probes found ions traveling five million miles per hour, high above the plane of ecliptic. The ions are wide spaced, but a cross sectional area of a few trillion square miles would represent a large current and a large energy transfer, but likely not large enough to support the Electric Universe hypothesis.<br />For electricity to arc in a high vacuum such as the intersteller medium requires 10,000 volts per centimeter = one billion volts per kilometer = Ten to the 22 power per light year. Neil

 

[jatslo]

hi nexium - long time, no see ... I figured interstellar evidence would involve supernova as something that can be observed, if some people would open there minds up to the possibility.

 

[yevaud]

All I can say to your ideas, Jatslo, is Wolfgang Pauli's famous line: "It's not even wrong." <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em>Differential Diagnosis:  </em>"<strong><em>I am both amused and annoyed that you think I should be less stubborn than you are</em></strong>."<br /> </p> </div>

 

[jatslo]

Why, because you didn't think of it first. A-Typical response from you. Looks like they are talking about artificial gravity in space business, better get over there and refute it with your links. Hurrry, they might be on to something.

 

[Saiph]

actually, you're post doesn't make to much sense:<br /><br />You suspect interstellar evidence to include supernovae observations....<br /><br />Okay, great. Key question here: evidence of what? why supernovae? you've got an idea fragment here, not a coherent statement. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p align="center"><font color="#c0c0c0"><br /></font></p><p align="center"><font color="#999999"><em><font size="1">--------</font></em></font><font color="#999999"><em><font size="1">--------</font></em></font><font color="#999999"><em><font size="1">----</font></em></font><font color="#666699">SaiphMOD@gmail.com </font><font color="#999999"><em><font size="1">-------------------</font></em></font></p><p><font color="#999999"><em><font size="1">"This is my Timey Wimey Detector.  Goes "bing" when there's stuff.  It also fries eggs at 30 paces, wether you want it to or not actually.  I've learned to stay away from hens: It's not pretty when they blow" -- </font></em></font><font size="1" color="#999999">The Tenth Doctor, "Blink"</font></p> </div>

 

[yevaud]

Haw haw haw.<br /><br />You are very amusing, you know that? Don't know squat about actual science, but funny, yes... <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em>Differential Diagnosis:  </em>"<strong><em>I am both amused and annoyed that you think I should be less stubborn than you are</em></strong>."<br /> </p> </div>

 

[jatslo]

Really? What post are you referring too? Please be as specific as you can. Listen, I already went down this road with you. I started small, and worked my way up, so scale it up... You already admit to the existence of ball lightning, so scale it up. What is so hard about that? You are a scienkist, and everything; scale it up. <br />What happens when something exceeds its capacity to conduct energy? It arcs! Arcs on what? Does it spit a little balls of annihilation? Scale that up! Little balls of plasma etching your collectors.

 

[jatslo]

When you have something substantial to say, then by all means please ring in.