Expansion isn't happening with time, Time is happening due to Expansion -True or False?

[Catastrophe]

Gibsense, just the first para has me worried:

"Time is the result of changes in the universe’s volume."

Changes take place in time, as in before . . . . . . and after . . . . . .

How can time be the result of changes, which are in time order?

Surely changes take place in time.
State A occurs at time 1.
State A is changed to State B at time 2., obviously after State A existed.
Hence the change takes place in time. The change happens during a time interval.
Something happens to cause a change. Opening a door . . . . . . . closing a window. The change is not initiated by the movement of a minute hand on aa clock. The change is caused by some person opening the door. Opening the door is the decision of the person - not the decision of the minute hand of a clock.

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[Gibsense]

Now you are quoting only case 1., doing just what you accuse me of.
I am sure that you were not intending to be devious. It is so easy to just make points quickly.

Case 2 you say "That the spherical surface represents spacetime. Any significance of the radius, here, would be impervious to the flatlander.

I interpreted this as you saying that someone living on the 3D surface (represented in the analogy by a 2D surface) would not appreciate that the radius represented past time (age of the universe). I agree with this so made no comment and I ignored the wording "spacetime" (a 4D model)as not an issue simply because it models local environments successfully and does not conflict mathematically with the Hyperspheric model - at least there is no evidence I am aware of that this statement is untrue rather the reverse.

Is this the issue you are discussing - I am not too sure, please be specific. Maybe I have missed something (?)

In 5., you refer to the radius. In my post I state (2.) that the radius does not represent time in this case, as the circle represents spacetime

Ah I did get it right. Or did I , I need to reopen the post and check what 5 is !!

 

[Gibsense]

The fact that it is movement that causes time is indicated by the radius (age of the universe) closely predicts the observed Hubble Constant by using the simple relationship of a radius to a circle

I still do not understand the problem. My basis is a hypersphere. The circle represents the surface of a cross section of a hypersphere. The surface of a hypersphere is 3D not spacetime. I thought you recognised this. relativity copes with this by adding time to 3D space as an add-on. Mathematically it works. The Mathematics of Relativity are unchallenged - just the understanding behind it. Have I finally understood the problem?

 

[Gibsense]

"Time is the result of changes in the universe’s volume."

You say this worries you and then go on to describe every day activity as if this proved something. Time happens. Change happens in time. Yes. So?

Surely changes take place in time.
State A occurs at time 1.
State A is changed to State B at time 2., obviously after State A existed.
Hence the change takes place in time. The change happens during a time interval.
Something happens to cause a change. Opening a door . . . . . . . closing a window. The change is not initiated by the movement of a minute hand on aa clock. The change is caused by some person opening the door. Opening the door is the decision of the person - not the decision of the minute hand of a clock.

Does this show/prove something? Change takes place in time yes and can be recorded and plotted as such. What has that got to do with it? I am not being rude. I would engage your logic if I could detect any relevance.

I notice COLGeek has applied a "Like" maybe he can explain why a spatially increasing volume is such a problem given that the surface of a hypersphere - our universe - is directly related to its ball's radius.

That is the age of the universe expressed in light years acts to specify the size of the circle (the universe) and therefore an expansion of the radius by 1 second increases the circle circumference (increasing the space of our universe by a specific amount) to give an accurate match to Hubble's Constant as determined by observation.
C=2Pi.r it couldn't be much simpler

Reduced to simplicity: Time needs change and change needs time. The change is a Global change as explained as best I can without diagrams. The thing is it is difficult to come up with a reason why time should happen but it is easy to theorise as to why space expansion may happen hence my chosen cause /effect is space expands causing us to experience time as an cause originating in the boundary extension in a closed universe.