FEMALES IN SPACE!!!!

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tap_sa

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Russians...their technological skills marvel but attitude towards women sucks hard vacuum.<br /><br />If I were an IT billionaire planning to conquer space first things to do would be to scout the world for all the sacked Kuzhelnayas, Lapierres and hire them. What better PR could commercial space venture get?
 
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mah_fl

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Sounds like that guy is stuck in the Stone Age.........we need more females in Space, but only good looking ones.....:)
 
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grooble

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Well fat people will never go in space <img src="/images/icons/laugh.gif" />
 
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kmarinas86

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<font color="yellow">Well fat people will never go in space</font><br /><br />They will on Virgin Galactic <img src="/images/icons/tongue.gif" />
 
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tap_sa

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No they won't. 400+ lb Betty wrecks havoc on SS2 mass margins and the craft tops at 80km altitude. Lawsuits ensue <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" />
 
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nacnud

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I think that fat people will be allowed to fly, there will just be a maximum size before they have to buy two seats, the same as on airlines.<br /><br />As for females being too fragile (emotionally and physically) for space flight I'd like to see him try to say that to any of the US female astronauts, Helen Sharman (first Briton in space) or Ellen MacArthur.<br />
 
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Leovinus

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<blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr /><p>Well fat people will never go in space<p><hr /></p></p></blockquote><br /><br />In space, you need love handles. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>
 
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kmarinas86

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LOL! <img src="/images/icons/tongue.gif" /> and some walls too, and perhaps a mattress as well, or two - one above and one below.
 
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tap_sa

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btw in space everybody weighs zero (rotating space stations excluded) so...<br /><br />" I'm not fat, I just got big inertia! "
 
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CalliArcale

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<blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr /><p>Russians...their technological skills marvel but attitude towards women sucks hard vacuum.<p><hr /></p></p></blockquote><br /><br />Read about Valentina Tereshkova, the first woman in space. The more I learn about her, her indomitable spirit, and fervent patriotism, the more I think Russia gave her the shaft. I mean, this woman is incredible. She put up with every indignity thrust upon her by technicians and scientists who doubted her feminine capabilities, never complaining, because she would do what the Soviet Union told her to do, and be glad to do it. (I believe she is still a member of the Communist Party. I don't agree with communism, but I've gotta respect that kind of patriotism, and strength of convictions. She's the sort of person who would gladly give her life if her country needed it.) They scaled back her activites on orbit, refused to let her do anything much, and criticized her heavily upon her return. Publicly, of course, she was praised, and the Soviet Union delighted in showing how much better they were than the US, which was too sexist to put a woman into space. The irony of that wasn't clear to the West for years. After her return, the Soviet Union arranged for her to get married to a cosmonaut, and the couple were encouraged to start a family. They did have one child together, a son, and the Soviets squeezed a lot of publicity out of their "space family". But it didn't last; they had married out of duty, not love, and eventually they separated.<br /><br />To this day, however, Tereshkova does not speak ill of the Communist Party or the scientists who treated her so poorly. She is a much better person than they were. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p> </p><p><font color="#666699"><em>"People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect, but actually from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint it's more like a big ball of wibbly wobbly . . . timey wimey . . . stuff."</em>  -- The Tenth Doctor, "Blink"</font></p> </div>
 
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wvbraun

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" I'm not fat, I just got big inertia! "<br /><br />ROTFLMAO! Thanks, Tap_Sa.
 
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vogon13

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I feel a thread coming on......<br /><br />How about a list of famous people (female or otherwise) that we'd like to see sent into space ( not necessarily on a round trip) and why. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#ff0000"><strong>TPTB went to Dallas and all I got was Plucked !!</strong></font></p><p><font color="#339966"><strong>So many people, so few recipes !!</strong></font></p><p><font color="#0000ff"><strong>Let's clean up this stinkhole !!</strong></font> </p> </div>
 
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scottb50

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And why does this matter? Because once there's $$$ to be made in space travel, then you and I can afford to go. Each tier we jump up, the cost for the previous tier goes down. (How can we afford to offer you a trip this fabulous at a price this low? Volume! Volume! Volume!)<br /><br />Absolutely right. Once you are in LEO the rest is easy. There is no physical difference in the environment beyond LEO. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>
 
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JonClarke

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Valentina (who truly deserves all the things you said about her) has done OK by the system, with fame, responsibility, and honours.<br /><br />Those who followed her have not done so well. I suspect it is a reflection of the military background that many people in the industry are drawn on. It certainly does not reflect society in general. But then the US has no cause to be so self righteous. Read the story of the Mercury 13 and weep.<br /><br />I also think the thought of sactions against Russia unless they fly more woment risible. Typical lawyer hot air.<br /><br />Anyone else thinking that Oberg has become something of a stirrer against working with the Russians in recent years?<br /><br />Jon <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em>Whether we become a multi-planet species with unlimited horizons, or are forever confined to Earth will be decided in the twenty-first century amid the vast plains, rugged canyons and lofty mountains of Mars</em>  Arthur Clarke</p> </div>
 
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thinice

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<i>Anyone else thinking that Oberg has become something of a stirrer against working with the Russians in recent years?</i><br /><br />Don't think so. I mean, not just in recent years. It may be not that obvious for Americans, but here in Russia this man is seen as a sort of paranoid since ever I remember. A local space conference I read has a ban on discussions about his articles, 'cause nothing can come from it but boring flame.
 
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CalliArcale

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<blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr /><p>Read the story of the Mercury 13 and weep. <p><hr /></p></p></blockquote><br /><br />There was a great documentary about them on the History Channel a while back. They were laughed at by the "real" astronauts (i.e. the men), and several of those astronauts (including John Glenn) went on record saying that women should not become astronauts.<br /><br />But I do think the US does have some high ground here, because the US progressed, and when the US did finally send women into space, it wasn't as a publicity stunt, but rather because they had finally recognized that women are plenty qualified to fly in space. Even John Glenn acknowledges this; he had no trouble working with two female crewmembers on his last flight into space. Still, as you point out, it's very important to remember that America is not immune to sexism. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p> </p><p><font color="#666699"><em>"People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect, but actually from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint it's more like a big ball of wibbly wobbly . . . timey wimey . . . stuff."</em>  -- The Tenth Doctor, "Blink"</font></p> </div>
 
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wvbraun

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I think Tom Cruise will book a flight. Others: James Cameron (a few years ago he talked about flying to the ISS one day), Sigourney Weaver (she has already been in talks with Virgin Galactic), Lance Bass, William Shatner,...<br /><br />Once some really high-profile celebrities go on a flight others will have to follow just to be percieved as equally 'hip'.
 
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Leovinus

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I think only men should be moderators. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>
 
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Aetius

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There's a Russian joke I remember. I think it came from the book, "Dragonfly". It goes like this:<br /><br />The good news is that feminism is coming to Russia. The bad news is that it's still 100 years away.
 
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CalliArcale

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<blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr /><p>I think only men should be moderators.<p><hr /></p></p></blockquote><br /><br />Oh really? Well, I'm gonna have to ban you for that. <img src="/images/icons/tongue.gif" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p> </p><p><font color="#666699"><em>"People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect, but actually from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint it's more like a big ball of wibbly wobbly . . . timey wimey . . . stuff."</em>  -- The Tenth Doctor, "Blink"</font></p> </div>
 
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CalliArcale

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<blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr /><p>Give Oberg a little benefit of doubt though, that some of the perceived bias may be inserted by his editors and producers. If you like the paychecks, you do as they say.<p><hr /></p></p></blockquote><br /><br />I've spoken with Oberg directly on message boards, and I'm positive that's the case. He's not anti-Russian at all. In fact, he's written some fantastic stuff about the history of the Russian space program. He knows the Russian space program better than most Westerners, and in general he respects it. But he also tells it the way he sees it. And if he is commissioned to write about sexual discrimination in Russia, well, he's got some pretty fertile ground to work with. This article is pretty much the unvarnished truth, and fact of the matter is, many Russians would agree with it. The difference is that many Russians would not see any problem with what Oberg's describing. It is a male-dominated society. That's just the way it is right now. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p> </p><p><font color="#666699"><em>"People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect, but actually from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint it's more like a big ball of wibbly wobbly . . . timey wimey . . . stuff."</em>  -- The Tenth Doctor, "Blink"</font></p> </div>
 
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