International Space Plane Program

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International Space Plane (ISP) Program:<br />----------------------------------------------------<br /><br />The ISP Program is an effort to Develop, Build, and Operate an (SSTO) Single Stage To Orbit, Fully Reusable Space Vehicle, for International Civil & Commercial uses.<br /><br />The ISP Program would be based on an Airbus Industries Management Model & Approach.<br /><br />The ISP Program will consist of Support & Involvement from Government, Industry, Commercial, Scientific, Academic, NGO/NFP/Society, and Private Organizations, Enterprises, Ventures, and Persons.<br /><br />The goals of the ISP Program would be to field an Operational System or Prototype with in 5 to 7 years.<br /><br />The ISP Program would consist of three elements:<br />---------------------------------------------------------------<br /><br />1) (SSTO) Vehicles<br />* These vehicles may be of different sizes and capability based on need and mission requirements.<br /><br />2) Advanced Ground Based Assisted Launch System<br />* This system would be very robust and of high quality, and would have the capability to launch various vehicles of different size, weight, and capability.<br /><br />3) Operations Facilities & Support Infrastructure for both Vehicles & the Primary Launch System.<br />* Orbital Refueling, Servicing, and Turnaround would be a strategic part of this Support Infrastructure.<br /><br />ISP Program Supporting Documents & Information:<br />----------------------------------------------------------------<br /><br />ISP Program Diplomatic Letter:<br />http://www.international-space-agency.net/igbsls.html<br /><br />European Space Agency (ESA) Diplomatic Letter:<br />http://www.international-space-agency.net/esa_letter_02_16_2004.html<br /><br />International Space Plane Program (Post):<br />* Shows working sy
 
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It's interesting but you'd need billions to develop a SSTO craft. Look at all the money pumped into VentureStar, what a waste.<br /><br />Your ship looks like a scaled up version of the X43 program hypersonic craft.<br /><br />I had a look at your website once, it's a bit of info overload, get a new one designed and more people will look at it.
 
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grooble: "It's interesting but you'd need billions to develop a SSTO craft. Look at all the money pumped into VentureStar, what a waste. "<br /><br />ISA Reply: The International Space Plane Program & Effort does not seek to reinvent the wheel. The USA, Europe(ESA), Germany, Japan, India have all developed similar SSTO Space Plane Programs, like VentureStar. The Money & Effort was not a waste by any means, as each Country, and each effort like VentureStar & X43 has developed further understanding of the requirements for such vehicles, and the materials and technology required to make them a working reality. VentureStar is a good program, and if it is mated with an Assisted Launch System, which the ISA has been proposing for nearly 10 years now, it would more than achieve its operational and mission goals. Please see: http://www.skyramp.org<br /><br />grooble: "Your ship looks like a scaled up version of the X43 program hypersonic craft."<br /><br />ISA Reply: The ISA Vehicle Prototype Model which is shown in the picture, was designed in 1986. So I would say the X43 looks like the ISP Vehicle! ;-) <br /><br />grooble: "I had a look at your website once, it's a bit of info overload, get a new one designed and more people will look at it. "<br /><br />ISA Reply: Our organization is very small and has many powerful organizations both Government & Private which have done everything in their power to undermine and destroy the ISA Organization & Efforts. 99% of our very limited resources have been spent to just barely survive, let alone be spent on fancy web sites. We would like nothing more than to have a fancy web site like NASA or ESA. But we do not have millions and unlimited staff to do such things. We are doing the very best we can with very limited resources and under extreme adversity and pressure.<br /> <br />We just want people to know that ISA, or the ISP Program does not seek to duplicate
 
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I have one suggestion for the Sky Ramp Technology. If the G forces when the Space Plane is released is too high, these G forces can be spread out over time by having an arm attach to the Space Plane which raises the plane up before the actual release of the airplane. If this was the case, I think that would lessen some of the requirements for the ship's structural integrity at liftoff.
 
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kmarinas86: "I have one suggestion for the Sky Ramp Technology. If the G forces when the Space Plane is released is too high, these G forces can be spread out over time by having an arm attach to the Space Plane which raises the plane up before the actual release of the airplane. If this was the case, I think that would lessen some of the requirements for the ship's structural integrity at liftoff."<br /><br />ISA Reply: kmarinas86 the vehicle would be attached to the electromagnetic acceleration sled in the same way the space shuttle is attached to the main tank, or the SRB's to the main tank. Explosive release bolts would be fired at the end of the ramp to separate the space plane from the acceleration sled. The sled would then either be recovered from a continuation of the ramp facility and slowed down with water braking system, or departing the ramp facility and going free airborne and being recovered by parachute, with retro rockets to slow down the acceleration sled.<br /><br />The acceleration sled assembly could accommodate a number of different space plane vehicles which have different sizes, weight, and capability. Much in the same way a modern aircraft carrier catapult system is used to launch different aircraft and at different weights.<br /><br />The ISP Program ramp system (ie: catapult) would use electromagnetic forces instead of steam. This electromagnetic acceleration sled would operate in the same way as maglev trains in Europe and Japan.<br /><br />The acceleration rate (G-Forces) and the end speed of the acceleration sled & attached space plane at the vehicle separation point at the end of the ramp, assisted launch system, can be monitored and controlled with calculated precision.<br /><br />This ramp system is specifically designed to launch space vehicles into Earth Orbit, but as a secondary benefit it can also launch hypersonic aircraft for destinations anywhere on the surface of the Earth.<br /><br />As it is with spacecraft, aircraft also burn
 
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stevehw33: "Interesting. Private organizations are usually 3-5 times more efficient than public. So in the long run, if you can last, you'll take over if you can get a big enough piece of he income from space. "<br /><br />ISA Reply: stevehw33 thanks for the comment.<br /><br />For the record, the ISA is not looking to "take over" as you put it. We are only looking to provide an important service and a common ground for a variety of space interests to come together, ie: Government, Industry, Commerce, Science, Academia, NGO's/NFP's/Societies, and Private Ventures.<br /><br />I think this has been, and is, at the core of the space access problem!? Every one is either finger pointing or seeing each other as the enemy.<br /><br />ISA needs the help of Government & Private Sectors both if it is too succeed and achieve its goals. ISA needs them, and even though they refuse to acknowledge it now, they need ISA!<br /><br />When the International Space Plane Program and the Advanced Space Launch System is built and operational, they can be used by many organizations and for many purposes.<br /><br />For example NASA, and other National Space Agencies working on large space ventures like Moon Bases & Mars Missions could use this system. Private companies like Scaled Composite & Burt Rutan could use such a system to take interested passengers into space for short trips, or to space hotels and such. Commercial & Industry Organizations can use the system to access resources on the Moon & Mars and in Space. Scientific & Academic Institutions & Organizations can use the system to access Earth Orbit & Space for scientific & academic pursuits. Space Societies and Private Ventures can use the system for access to Earth Orbit and Space for many many purposes, many which may not even yet have been thought of!<br /><br />The uses for this system will be unlimited, and I am sure many new uses which were never thought of now, will be invented by others in th
 
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<font color="yellow">ISA Reply: Our organization is very small and has many powerful organizations both Government & Private which have done everything in their power to undermine and destroy the ISA Organization & Efforts. </font><br /><br />Translation: There is a massive conspiracy whose goal is the destruction of the “ISA” aka Rick Dobson & cohorts. Rick and his few pals actually beleive that they are qualified to organize all the space related programs for all the countries on Earth, governmental and private. Proof of the insidious conspiracy is the fact that no one, in any of these organizations, want Rick Dobson et al to come anywhere near their programs, let alone coordinate them. Imagine, a world wide conspiracy to shut ISA out. That must make Rick feel really important.<br /><br /><font color="yellow">The voice and efforts of the ISA and its Historic & Important Vision has been Censored & Undermined for the last ten years by powerful people afraid of change, and naysayers bent on malicious ridicule. </font><br /><br />Translation: They have been turned down by everyone.<br /><br /><font color="yellow">ISA is presently small is size & numbers, Yes! </font><br /><br />But only since 1986.<br /><br /><font color="yellow">In the last 2 years things have been turning in the favor or the ISA, and our support is growing globally, as is the ISA Organization. </font><br /><br />Translation: Rick & friends have spammed more discussion boards than ever before.<br /><br /><font color="yellow">We at ISA look forward to that Historic Phone Call from President George W. Bush, which we believe will come in the next few months! How can I, NASA, and America be of assistance!? <br /></font><br /><br />ROTFLMAO Good Grief! It is difficult to believe that anyone on this Earth is really that naive. Offhand, I'd say the odds of that are significantly less than winning the lotto without buyi <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p style="margin-top:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-right:0in" class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="2" color="#ff0000"><strong>Our Solar System must be passing through a Non Sequitur area of space.</strong></font></p> </div>
 
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<font color="yellow">The sled would then either be recovered from a continuation of the ramp facility and slowed down with water braking system, or departing the ramp facility and going free airborne and being recovered by parachute, with retro rockets to slow down the acceleration sled. </font><br /><br />In the first place, such a sled would never be able to reach a velocity that required “retro rockets”. (can you say Max-Q?) Secondly, I guess it never occured to you to aerodymamically shap the sled so that it could be R/C landed back at the base of the ramp. Too easy, huh?<br /><br /><font color="yellow">This ramp system is specifically designed to launch space vehicles into Earth Orbit, </font><br /><br />Assist, perhaps, but not launch into Earth Orbit.<br /><br /><font color="yellow">Many in the conventional space launch industry, ie: disposable/expendable rockets are afraid of this technology because it threatens their control and profit of the space lift industry. </font><br /><br />BS There are a half dozen relevant factors that prevent it at this time, and none of them are fear of loss of control. Do a little actual research.<br /><br /><font color="yellow">Today, the airplanes and spaceplanes, that fly in our skies would be totally unknown and unrecognized by those of early aviation. </font><br /><br />Duh! That is called engineering, both in aeronautics, but also major advances in materials. If the Wright brothers had access to carbon fiber composites, they could have flown around the world. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p style="margin-top:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-right:0in" class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="2" color="#ff0000"><strong>Our Solar System must be passing through a Non Sequitur area of space.</strong></font></p> </div>
 
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<font color="yellow">The International Space Plane Program and the Advanced Space Launch System is built and operational</font><br /><br />Really? It's built and operational? How come no one else has heard of it? What is its location, and how was it funded? <br /><br />BTW, when and if a REAL International Space Administration is formed, it is probable that they will either use another name, or simply ignore your usage of the name. If you have any delusions about forcing your way into a REAL international organization because you used the name first, sorry, it doesn't work that way.<br /><br /><font color="yellow">ISA needs them, and even though they refuse to acknowledge it now, they need ISA! <br /></font><br /><br />Right, you keep believing that. Like the song says, “There's your problem”. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p style="margin-top:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-right:0in" class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="2" color="#ff0000"><strong>Our Solar System must be passing through a Non Sequitur area of space.</strong></font></p> </div>
 
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I guess every board needs a few people like mental-avenger who support the rich and powerful and mainstream, as if they were a paragon of virtue.<br /> S = 1/2at squared = 30 times 100 = 3000 meters = 3 kilometers of catapult length, if the average acceleration is 60 meters per second = 6.2 G and the time is 10 seconds. v= at = 600 meters per second = 2,160,000 meters per hour = 2160 kilometers per hour, so the end of the catapult needs to be at 5000 meters or higher altitude to keep air friction heating from becoming the major challenge. I think there are places in Equador, where the catapult can start at 20 degrees from vertical and end 15 degrees from vertical at about 6000 meters. The land should be cheap as most humans need a frequent sniff of 99% oxygen at these altitudes. Changing direction more than one degree the last kilometer also creates lots of engineering problems. Launch near the equator has some advantages for most missions, and the SSTO will only have 1/2 of the atmosphere to pass through at the end of the catapult. A world class jet airport is needed near the base of the catapult. Perhaps Michael Eisner could be persuaded to build EquaDisney with space as the major theme of the theme park, and airlines could allow a no extra cost layover for through passengers who wished to visit the theme park enroute to somewhere else. Cheap jet fuel would induce airlines to refuel at EquaDisney and airlines would have an interest in using the catapult for supersonic passenger aircraft at much less than 6.2 G of course. Neil
 
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It would be difficult, if not impossible, for you to have been more wrong about what I “support”.Next time, before making such pronouncements, you might try to actually read what was written. <br /><br />I have long been an advocate of a Rail Assist Launch system, and have studied the problems in depth. The system proposed by Rick is impractical for many reasons, not the least of which is accessibility. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p style="margin-top:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-right:0in" class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="2" color="#ff0000"><strong>Our Solar System must be passing through a Non Sequitur area of space.</strong></font></p> </div>
 
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""When"" the International Space Plane Program and the Advanced Space Launch System is built and operational!<br /><br />This Was A Typo! ""When"" was some how missed?? It has been corrected!<br /><br />---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br /><br />The ISA/ISP Diplomatic Letter, link at the start of this post, does outline a location on the Earths Equator, and in a region offering Mountainous Terrain between 25 & 45 degrees incline. Ramp speeds of 2000 mph could easily be achieved, as present rocket sled technology has achieved such speeds, by NASA and the U.S. Airforce.<br /><br />Aerodynamic drag on the space craft during ramp acceleration is not as critical as a free flying vehicle, as the power to over come parasite drag and aerodynamic drag would be compensated by the nearly unlimited power output of the Advanced Assisted Launch System.<br /><br />A vehicle in free flight burns precious onboard fuel reserves, which are finite, inorder to overcome drag.<br /><br />When the vehicle is slaved to the acceleration sled under power from the ground power generation system, this issue will not be as critical and not as much of a problem to overcome.<br /><br />Once the vehicle is catapulted off the end of the Ramp System, the mass of the vehicle will have achieved a great deal of forward momentum, and the vehicle will reach the thinner air at higher altitudes fairly quickly. It is at this point that the vehicles own engines kick into full thrust and the fuel on board will be used to maintain an already established acceleration to orbital velocities.<br /><br />The Sky Ramp website explains in detail these facts:<br />http://www.skyramp.org<br /><br />
 
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^ How much would launch costs be reduced if your system worked?<br /><br />I asked the same question on the Scramjet thread, maybe you can fuse all 3 ideas together to make an effective SSTO.
 
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grooble: "^ How much would launch costs be reduced if your system worked? I asked the same question on the Scramjet thread, maybe you can fuse all 3 ideas together to make an effective SSTO."<br /> <br />ISA Reply: grooble, if you’re asking me for hard numbers and data, I am unable to provide this.<br /><br />Mainly, because there are too many factors involved!? The NASA space shuttle planners overstated the facts by an order of 10, as did the venturestar folks. I will not make the same mistake.<br /><br />I am a Visionary, Diplomat, Philosopher, and Enabler. My job is to bring Nations, Organizations, and People together for a Common Benefit & Goal, and to give the dream Focus and Direction.<br /><br />U.S. President George W. Bush has done this on a National Level, and ISA Organization, and I, fully support this.<br /><br />However, Lunar Bases, Mars Bases, Interplanetary Space Craft & Ships, and Earth Orbital Infrastructure is a massive undertaking and not realistically possible in a stand-alone manner, even by United States standards, abilities, and yes ego!<br /><br />This must be done from an International approach and goal, and both Government & Private Sector Globally must be fully engaged in this endeavor, and have a common binding vision, focused agenda, and established organizational infrastructure. The United Nations is not the proper organization in which to accomplish this! The International Space Agency is that vehicle & organization to bring together a global coalition and federation of Government & Private Sector.<br /><br />To the point of your question.<br /><br />Cost per launch and per pound of payload, would be based on a number of factors:<br /><br />1) Total number of member Governments & Private Organizations. The more the better, as a more robust and substantial investment can be made on the primary element of the entire International Space Plane Program, which is the Advanced Assisted Launch System (ie: Launch Ramp). No cutt
 
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Generally, delusions of grandeur encompass things that are at least possible, though not realized. Rick's delusions include events that are less likely than winning the lotto without buying a ticket. <br /><br />He (apparently) acutally believes that the governments and space organizations all over the Earth need his services, and will one day turn over planning and coordination of all thier projects to him. After seeing the belligerent attitude he exhibited the last two times he appeared on Space.com (and similar incidents on other boards), and the ensuing unsupportable threats he made to me and SDC, it is clear that his claim of being a diplomat is laughable. As to the rest of his claims, all imaginary smoke.<br /><br />Although he has been told many times, his so-called web-site is a joke. All the animations make it look <i>less</i> professional and only serve to slow it down. Gee, maybe I shouldn't be helping him like this. Not to worry, he hasn't taken anyone else's advice. Whatever. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p style="margin-top:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-right:0in" class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="2" color="#ff0000"><strong>Our Solar System must be passing through a Non Sequitur area of space.</strong></font></p> </div>
 
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Subject: User Name: Mental_Avenger<br /><br />To Whom It May Concern,<br /><br />The above person, user name Mental_Avenger has continued to purposely spread lies and disinformation about the International Space Agency and Mr. Rick Dobson.<br /><br />This person has taken a number of user names on Space.Com and on other Space Message Boards, to spread their lies and disinformation.<br /><br />This person has, and is, working either with, or on the behalf of, some unknown organization or group that has been conducting a focused smear and propaganda campaign now for a number of years against the International Space Agency and Mr. Rick Dobson.<br /><br />This person has been baiting people, and entering posts which the International Space Agency has made, with the "specific purpose" of slandering, causing trouble, and spreading lies & disinformation. And to specifically disrupt and derail these positive posts, and to chase people away. This persons malicious and vindictive actions have been constant and very threatening.<br /><br />We are asking that these slanderous and illegal acts be stopped, and that we obtain the personal information of this person for legal action for criminal defamation of character and slander, and to report this person to Law Enforcement for making terroristic threats against the Chairman & CEO of the International Space Agency, Mr. Rick Dobson. This person "Mental_Avenger" has been making a number of terroristic threats against the Chairman & CEO of the International Space Agency, Mr. Rick Dobson.<br /><br />The International Space Agency or Mr. Dobson has never done anything wrong on Space.Com, and has never been anything less than positive, or has presented anything other than uplifting and factual information to the Space.Com community and posting board.<br /><br />It is criminal to allow this person "Mental_Avenger" to defame, smear, and attack legitimate organizations and people with impunity. This is not a freedom of speech issue, as th
 
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Why do you bash the ISA group all the time mental? At least they are trying to do something, what are you doing? <br /><br />Maybe they do act a little grand but it's better than nothin. <br /><br />Perhaps they will become a little more laid back and mainstream and put out some products and get a reputation for results and success. If you have a problem with them, give them some constructive criticism on how they can improve. <br /><br />I remember ISA posts from ages ago, they were always being bashed by somebody, you probably. What's the problem? <br /><br />One thing i would change if it was my group is the name, i'd call it the international space initiative ( ISI ), instead of agency, at least until you had some craft made and the group was bigger.<br /><br /><br />
 
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Thats pretty harsh what you said apollo, a bit extreme. He aint THAT bad. Terrorist? hmm... <br /><br />Actually ignore these 2 posts, i'm readin the one in free space.
 
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<font color="yellow">Why do you bash the ISA group all the time mental? </font><br /><br />Perhaps by the time you read this you will realize that I was actually being relatively kind in my comments about rick & rick. The disgusting posts they made on Free Space are, sadly, typical of thier lack of maturity and vindictiveness. No REAL organization will ever have anything to do with them.<br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p style="margin-top:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-right:0in" class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="2" color="#ff0000"><strong>Our Solar System must be passing through a Non Sequitur area of space.</strong></font></p> </div>
 
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Ohhhhhhhhhhhh, I think he's gone - like his awful thread from this morning.<br /><br />Too bad, too. THIS thread was a fun read. <img src="/images/icons/crazy.gif" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <font size="1"><em>Note to Dr. Henry:  The testosterone shots are working!</em></font> </div>
 
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